When will the US fall?

[Cyber Altair]

US is falling, if the third world countries unite, god knows what could happen. We here in the Middle East have a large amount of Oil and other Natural Resources yet to be discovered. if the countries actually stop fighting over stuff that happened 50-100 years ago and think of what they can do know, USA will be pwned. Russia is gaining power again, yay but crap Russian is too hard for me to learn. China's Economy is also rising which will also make it a threat, and a damn big one. And Static is so right about what could happen if Russia and China unite. i believe somewhere within the next 20-25 years.

 

Oh and please, can noobs realize this is a debate and stop spamming. If you don't have anything to add to the debate to make it more interesting/productive then just don't come and post your opinions.

[Draco Straybyrn]

throughout history' date='it has been scientifically proven that no empire or reigning world power lasts forever.So,your answer is rather oblivious.

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Stop trying to debate. You can't even speak ingrrrrrrish correctly, let alone English.

[Catterjune]

No one is forcing you to eat.

 

My own body is. Or do you not ever feel hunger?

 

But If control a huge food company and get with other food company owners and agree we all jerk prices 300% higher' date=' so that we can all make more money. Where else can they go for food? Grow it themselves? Not likely. [/quote']

 

ITT: Apples = Oranges. Comparing oil to food is so unbearable laughable, you loose any and all credibility you may have had with this analogy.

 

Necessity is the mother of all invention. Oil companies are in the right. People are still willing to pay 3 to 4 dollars for a gallon of gas. No one's forcing you to buy. You could just as easily carpool, use mass transit, walk, learn to ride a bike, buy a hybrid car, and so on.

 

I like how you said "a huge food company", as if there's one company who has it's hand in any and all food production.

 

People will be fighting over land. Then people with land can do the same thing. At any one point, some one group holds all the power.

Same system.

 

So? Only through competition can we get any innovations.

[NP Sage]

No one is forcing you to eat.

 

My own body is. Or do you not ever feel hunger?

Grow your own. Little tip' date=' If your carrots never show any of the orange part above ground, they are not dead.[/b'] ;)

 

But If control a huge food company and get with other food company owners and agree we all jerk prices 300% higher, so that we can all make more money. Where else can they go for food? Grow it themselves? Not likely.

 

ITT: Apples = Oranges. Comparing oil to food is so unbearable laughable, you loose any and all credibility you may have had with this analogy.

Without oil we can not advance. Without food we can not live.

 

Necessity is the mother of all invention. Oil companies are in the right. People are still willing to pay 3 to 4 dollars for a gallon of gas. No one's forcing you to buy. You could just as easily carpool, use mass transit, walk, learn to ride a bike, buy a hybrid car, and so on.

So price gouging is "in the right"? Do me a favor move to a town where all they have is 1 store, or better yet where all the stores prices are 300% MSRP so that they can all make more money.

 

I like how you said "a huge food company", as if there's one company who has it's hand in any and all food production.

 

I like how "think" you know different.

 

People will be fighting over land. Then people with land can do the same thing. At any one point, some one group holds all the power.

Same system.

 

So? Only through competition can we get any innovations.

 

:roll:

Competition leads to the downfall of all but one.

Look at Wal-Mart. Notice how you see fewer and fewer K-Marts and Targets?

 

 

[Catterjune]

Grow your own. Little tip, If your carrots never show any of the orange part above ground, they are not dead. Wink

 

Wasn't your argument that no one could grow food?

 

Without oil we can not advance. Without food we can not live.

 

How can you even remotely compare food to oil?

Food is an absolute necessity to everyone, but can be gotten from various different sources and is a renewable source.

Oil is a fuel source in a time where alternatives exists (electricity, wind, solar power) that can only be gotten from digging and is a non-renewable source.

 

Stop comparing apples and oranges.

 

So price gouging is "in the right"? Do me a favor move to a town where all they have is 1 store, or better yet where all the stores prices are 300% MSRP so that they can all make more money.

 

Nothing is stopping you from leaving the small town. Nothing is stopping you from opening your own store. No one is forcing you to buy anything. Seriously, take a friggin' basic economy class.

 

I like how "think" you know different.

 

Prove that any food company could even remotely do that, and not have alternatives that exist, or retract your statement.

 

Competition leads to the downfall of all but one.

Look at Wal-Mart. Notice how you see fewer and fewer K-Marts and Targets?

 

Lol @ shortsightedness. Obviously Walmart is doing something if it's completely dominating K-Mart and Target, and rightfully deserve to. People are willing to shop at Walmart, not K-Mart and Target for a reason.

[Chaos Pudding]

Who says that the US has to "fall"? It could just as easily, and I think much more easily, be transformed into something else, like how the Roman Republic was changed into the Roman Empire. I believe that sometime in the future, perhaps within 50-75 years, the US will combine its country with others, perhaps the rest of the Americas/Western Europe.

 

Of course, if there is a nuclear World War, then this hypothesis will be proven to be false, but I believe that, under the current circumstances, another World War is a bit less likely than my previous outcome. Although, with more and more countries gaining nuclear power, this one might prove to become the more likely of the two as time goes on.

[NP Sage]

Grow your own. Little tip' date=' If your carrots never show any of the orange part above ground, they are not dead. Wink[/quote']

 

Wasn't your argument that no one could grow food?

 

Not everyone can. I suppose you think Africans just doesn't know how to put food in their mouths?

 

Without oil we can not advance. Without food we can not live.

 

How can you even remotely compare food to oil?

Food is an absolute necessity to everyone, but can be gotten from various different sources and is a renewable source.

Oil is a fuel source in a time where alternatives exists (electricity, wind, solar power) that can only be gotten from digging and is a non-renewable source.

 

Stop comparing apples and oranges.

 

Look at the countries that don't/can't get oil. Go live there. See how you like it.

 

So price gouging is "in the right"? Do me a favor move to a town where all they have is 1 store, or better yet where all the stores prices are 300% MSRP so that they can all make more money.

 

Nothing is stopping you from leaving the small town.

 

It's happening everywhere. Small towns it's the most obvious.

 

Nothing is stopping you from opening your own store.

 

:evil: Then they drop their prices. You don't have the back money to keep working at a loss. So you go out of business. Prices then go back up.

 

No one is forcing you to buy anything. Seriously, take a friggin' basic economy class.

 

:roll: Nothing is 100% self sufficient.

 

 

I like how "think" you know different.

 

Prove that any food company could even remotely do that, and not have alternatives that exist, or retract your statement.

They already do. Have you ever heard of parent companies?

 

Competition leads to the downfall of all but one.

Look at Wal-Mart. Notice how you see fewer and fewer K-Marts and Targets?

 

Lol @ shortsightedness. Obviously Walmart is doing something if it's completely dominating K-Mart and Target, and rightfully deserve to. People are willing to shop at Walmart, not K-Mart and Target for a reason.

Because they drop price so that they are all lower than anywhere else. Everyplace else closes up. Prices skyrocket. It's called a Monopoly.

 

It happened in my town. Yes, I am living it.

[Catterjune]

Blah blah blah

 

Come talk to me when you've taken a basic economics class because right now it's like talking to a brick wall.

[NP Sage]

So you admit not being able to outwit or prove wrong a "brick wall"?

 

My sympathies.

[Chaos Pudding]

So you admit not being able to outwit or prove wrong a "brick wall"?

 

My sympathies.

 

Who says he hasn't? He just said that you have been sticking with the same tired arguments, and he is bored with the monotony. Come up with some new ways to address your points.

[NP Sage]

Then he needs to come up with a new way to prove me wrong. He keeps presenting opinions and I keep nailing him with facts. He needs to get some facts that prove us wrong.

[Chaos Pudding]

Then he needs to come up with a new way to prove me wrong. He keeps presenting opinions and I keep nailing him with facts. He needs to get some facts that prove us wrong.

 

Prove that your statements were facts.

[NP Sage]

Look at oil companies profits. Tell me they are charging a fair price.

 

Do you see K-Marts anymore? No, most of them went out of business.

 

We have people living on the streets. People who can not afford to feed themselves. People are dieing of easily curable diseases. Yet we also have people who will never have to worry about where will they live, whether or not they will get their next meal. Where will they sleep? The can afford to look like whatever they want with surgery. All because they got lucky in the genetic lottery or their ancestors got lucky.

 

Are you telling me that's not F'ed up?

 

We need to do something. But we won't.

[Catterjune]

Look at oil companies profits. Tell me they are charging a fair price.

 

Opinion. If people are willing to buy it for that price. It's fair.

 

Do you see K-Marts anymore? No' date=' most of them went out of business.[/quote']

 

'Kay. That doesn't prove free market had anything to do with it.

 

We have people living on the streets. People who can not afford to feed themselves. People are dieing of easily curable diseases. Yet we also have people who will never have to worry about where will they live, whether or not they will get their next meal. Where will they sleep? The can afford to look like whatever they want with surgery. All because they got lucky in the genetic lottery or their ancestors got lucky.

 

Are you telling me that's not F'ed up?

 

How is this the problem of free market again?

[NP Sage]

Look at oil companies profits. Tell me they are charging a fair price.

 

Opinion. If people are willing to buy it for that price. It's fair.

Wrong. Certain people can AFFORD to pay that price' date=' not everyone[/b'].

 

Do you see K-Marts anymore? No, most of them went out of business.

 

'Kay. That doesn't prove free market had anything to do with it.

It's because price is not regulated. That's what free trade is!

 

We have people living on the streets. People who can not afford to feed themselves. People are dieing of easily curable diseases. Yet we also have people who will never have to worry about where will they live, whether or not they will get their next meal. Where will they sleep? The can afford to look like whatever they want with surgery. All because they got lucky in the genetic lottery or their ancestors got lucky.

 

Are you telling me that's not F'ed up?

 

How is this the problem of free market again?

 

:|

 

If everyone made the amount of money that they need to survive comfortably and price was controlled things would be better. we claim "All men are created equal". Why don't we start acting like it.

[Chaos Pudding]

All men are created equal. Why don't we start acting like it.

 

I strongly disagree. All men are most certainly not created equal. Some are more powerful, some are smarter, some are more beautiful.

[Catterjune]

Supply, demand, etc.

 

Come back after a basic economics class. Seriously.

[NP Sage]

All men are created equal. Why don't we start acting like it.

 

I strongly disagree. All men are most certainly not created equal. Some are more powerful' date=' some are smarter, some are more beautiful.

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As I said, all that means you got lucky in the genetic lottery. Lets say you diden't get lucky, does that mean you deserve to live life fighting uphill, or not live life at all?

 

Supply and demand is simply used to justify. I can not think of one thing you need to survive that the rich do not waste while the poor are dieing without.

[Catterjune]

All men are created equal. Why don't we start acting like it.

 

I strongly disagree. All men are most certainly not created equal. Some are more powerful' date=' some are smarter, some are more beautiful.

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As I said, all that means you got lucky in the genetic lottery. Lets say you diden't get lucky, does that mean you deserve to live life fighting uphill?

 

You finally show some intelligence!

 

The answer to your question is yes.

[NP Sage]

All men are created equal. Why don't we start acting like it.

 

I strongly disagree. All men are most certainly not created equal. Some are more powerful' date=' some are smarter, some are more beautiful.

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As I said, all that means you got lucky in the genetic lottery. Lets say you diden't get lucky, does that mean you deserve to live life fighting uphill?

 

You finally show some intelligence!

 

The answer to your question is yes.

 

I see. People like you should be stripped of everything and sent to a third world country. Perhaps you would come back with some true understanding.

[Catterjune]

And people like you should take a simple economics class.

 

There are things called "limited resources". There are only a certain number of things in the world.

 

If everyone lived at the exact same standard of living, that uniform standard would not be pretty. Now stop this whole "life is so unfair!" thing. It is. Now grow up.

[Draco Straybyrn]

And people like you should take a simple economics class.

 

There are things called "limited resources". There are only a certain number of things in the world.

 

If everyone lived at the exact same standard of living' date=' that uniform standard would not be pretty. Now stop this whole "life is so unfair!" thing. It is. Now grow up.

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Yes.

 

@NP Sage: You're proposing Socialism.

[NP Sage]

So what do you think would work, PikaPerson01?

I suppose the abolishment of all monetary systems would work.

[Kaitou Kid]

The US has already fell to a point beyond repair. We Americans can only get so close to rebuilding. I wouldnt just nuke a place to move on to

 

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Global Warming.Our Next War. Yep after this is done we will have to fight

Mother Earth,Mars,Moon,Saturn,Venus,Mercury,Pluto,Urbutus,Jupiter,Neptune,Ceres,Eris,

ect. and we need to band to gether and find out if we can live on a different planet already.(SO OFF TOPIC)

[Chaos Pudding]

So what do you think would work' date=' PikaPerson01?

I suppose the abolishment of all monetary systems would work.

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Easy. An alternative energy source, like cheap reliable solar, would solve a huge chunk of the global economic problems. Develop a way to effectively transmit energy through microwaves, and you can have solar power plants orbiting, so the sun is always in view.