Transgender Support

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Well first off, I really think that our continued support to the Transgendered community is important. There's no greater pain than being forced to be who're not....that being said, I feel this describes the worst of the community

I'm really not sure if there is a justification to abandon your 7 children and your wife or for a grown ass man to refer to himself as a 6 year old and play with children. Sexuality and Gender can be questioned, how the f*** do you question time? This is the sort of donkey s*** that make Russi laugh at the civilized west.

So am I being a bigot or is there actually a problem here

[Halubaris Maphotika]

I am a firm supporter of transgender rights for context, no you are not. They deserve criticism like all other people, and are not above us or below us. This person, most obviously had a crazy mid-life crisis; that's fine. What isn't is the negative problems she has put on her family and seven children all so she could pretend to be a 6 year old girl.

 

That said, while I commend you for bringing this topic up, I fear this might become rife with Identity Politics. Should we not identify some ground rules for the discussion?

[ihop]

I didn't watch the video but, assuming I'm interpreting the comments correctly I don't really see how identifying as a different age is different to identifying as a different gender. Physical gender is about as clear cut as age, it's all about identity and how people interpret themselves.

 

Leaving your wife and kids for all that is uncool though.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

I didn't watch the video but, assuming I'm interpreting the comments correctly I don't really see how identifying as a different age is different to identifying as a different gender. Physical gender is about as clear cut as age, it's all about identity and how people interpret themselves.

 

Leaving your wife and kids for all that is uncool though.

I'd encourage you watch it for better context on the situation. You have every right not to though.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

At what point does it cross a line though? A late 40's man wanting to be a 6 year old girl?

 

I want to be 21 too? Why can't I?

 

The 7 kids deals was really uncool

[ihop]

Oh, the only reason I didn't watch it is because it's noisy here. I'll watch it when I have time. Sorry if my post is out of context.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

Oh, the only reason I didn't watch it is because it's noisy here. I'll watch it when I have time. Sorry if my post is out of context.

To the contrary. You were surprisingly on point about the situation. Good sense of observations!

 

I just felt it would be important too regardless.

[ihop]

Oh, ok.

 

To elaborate, I don't see any problem with "identifying" as a different age, but that's no excuse to shirk the responsibilities of being that age. A grown adult can consider themselves a 6-year old girl for all I care but with age comes responsibilities that there's no getting round.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

Oh, ok.

 

To elaborate, I don't see any problem with "identifying" as a different age, but that's no excuse to shirk the responsibilities of being that age. A grown adult can consider themselves a 6-year old girl for all I care but with age comes responsibilities that there's no getting round.

That is what the main problem we all have is.

 

I don't give a flying f*ck what he identifies as, that's his business, but we did to his family is disgusting.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I'm irritated about how he seems to feel that being Trans gives him the right to do all that....like it's not a get out of jail free cards. Things like this and allegations that Bruce got his transition to avoid going to jail, really underscore the pain that some people actually feel with regards to their gender

 

Now here, I believe the ex-wife said, "stop being trans or leave," on one side this may seem overly harsh and not understanding what you spouse is going through. On the other hand, you have 7 kids with this man. SEVEN. You've been living a life, your kids have been living a life. At this point it's not just about you. Marriage is about compromise, love is about sacrifices.....like there is a clear difference here between a 16 year old being controlled by their parents.

 

That being said, I'm sure someone will com in here and accuse me of belittling this man's "brave" decision to find his own life

[Halubaris Maphotika]

I'm irritated about how he seems to feel that being Trans gives him the right to do all that....like it's not a get out of jail free cards. Things like this and allegations that Bruce got his transition to avoid going to jail, really underscore the pain that some people actually feel with regards to their gender

Couldn't have said it better myself. Good reminder to the YCM community you aren't as bigoted as they try to make you out to be.

[Night]

Now here, I believe the ex-wife said, "stop being trans or leave," on one side this may seem overly harsh and not understanding what you spouse is going through. On the other hand, you have 7 kids with this man. SEVEN. You've been living a life, your kids have been living a life. At this point it's not just about you. Marriage is about compromise, love is about sacrifices.....like there is a clear difference here between a 16 year old being controlled by their parents.

 

You're making a tremendous amount of assumptions here bud.

 

First off, even if the wife had actually given the dude an ultimatum as you're implying, then she too isn't "sacrificing for love." If he had remained a man, then he would be lying to himself, her, and the kids. He would forever live a life in a depressive state and that alone would hinder the entire family. So who's actually more in the wrong in this situation? The guy, who clearly funking needs help by the way, finally coming to terms with who he really is (god forbid) or the woman who can't accept that and forces him to deny that fact just so she and her kids can feel "comfortable." Honestly, I've no funking clue and neither do you because neither of us know them personally, or even know if we're understanding the situation in its entirety so making assumptions is literally funking pointless. 

 

People on this site have this inane funking notion that literally everything in marriage is a compromise, and you have to compromise everything or you're wrong and you shouldn't be married. Spending less money on personal possessions and more toward things for both parties is a compromise. Putting up with the psychotic fucks they call relatives is a compromise. Just getting the milk when you'd rather being dicking around playing games is a compromise. Adhering to the constructs of a gender you don't feel comfortable with is not a compromise. 

 

I would hope that if I got married to a woman and she felt as though she truly needed to identify as a man, she would respect me and herself enough to come to me with that information and not keep it a secret in some moronic effort to compromise for the greater good. I don't give a funk if I have 1, 3, 7, or 14 kids, I'm not going to ask someone to lie to me and themselves just so my kids can have a false sense of security. And if that person wants to parade around as a 6 year old well then clearly they're in need of mental aid and I'll assist them, that's just compromise. ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Partangle the Candle Jangler]

This just... it can't be really real. I can't accept that someone could live their life in this way and nobody tells them that they just can't do this, it's lunacy. It's as if nobody wants to say that someone is not right in the head these days. Gender and sexuality, fair enough that's a decision that someone can make for themselves. But things like age, race, height, no. You cannot decide to identify as being 6 when you're whatever age this guy is because you "don't feel like being an adult". Time's passing is not something you can choose to ignore and deny, and if you do try to you're going to be told you need mental help. You can't say you identify as 6'3" when you're 5'2" and demand to be let on rollercoasters with minimum height requirements or whatever the fuck other reasons you'd want to do something like that. 

 

There is a point at which you have to accept that reality is reality and you can't change it by willing it to be different or denying what it is. For most people this point comes early in life, when you realise superpowers aren't real or the tooth fairy does not and will not ever exist or whatever other realisation that breaks your childhood illusions. But then there are people like this, who clearly are either mentally incompetent or legitimately insane, who have never reached that point or have reached it and rejected it.

 

I can understand people feeling they were born into the wrong gender or sex because of the way the world is about such things, even though I will probably never stop finding it a bit weird I have no problem with it. But to say you've decided to stop being an adult male father of 7 and become a 6-year-old girl, no, there is something terribly wrong with you and the way your mind is working and you need help. There is a limit to what you can choose to be relative to what you actually are and this steps far beyond the boundaries of reason.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

This just... it can't be really real. I can't accept that someone could live their life in this way and nobody tells them that they just can't do this, it's lunacy. It's as if nobody wants to say that someone is not right in the head these days. Gender and sexuality, fair enough that's a decision that someone can make for themselves. But things like age, race, height, no. You cannot decide to identify as being 6 when you're whatever age this guy is because you "don't feel like being an adult". Time's passing is not something you can choose to ignore and deny, and if you do try to you're going to be told you need mental help. You can't say you identify as 6'3" when you're 5'2" and demand to be let on rollercoasters with minimum height requirements or whatever the funk other reasons you'd want to do something like that. 

 

There is a point at which you have to accept that reality is reality and you can't change it by willing it to be different or denying what it is. For most people this point comes early in life, when you realise superpowers aren't real or the tooth fairy does not and will not ever exist or whatever other realisation that breaks your childhood illusions. But then there are people like this, who clearly are either mentally incompetent or legitimately insane, who have never reached that point or have reached it and rejected it.

 

I can understand people feeling they were born into the wrong gender or sex because of the way the world is about such things, even though I will probably never stop finding it a bit weird I have no problem with it. But to say you've decided to stop being an adult male father of 7 and become a 6-year-old girl, no, there is something terribly wrong with you and the way your mind is working and you need help. There is a limit to what you can choose to be relative to what you actually are and this steps far beyond the boundaries of reason.

Apparently he was very abusive to his kids and wife and he used this as a tool to escape jail time. I'm looking into some proper sources right now so take these accusations with heavy grains of salt.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I mean if they truly identified as a 6-year old girl, if that's possible, then they uh...not to be harsh but have mental issues that need to be taken care of. If someone is trans then that's one thing, but thinking you are a 6-year old girl is another. That means you believe yourself to be someone who is basically incapable of living a healthy adult life on your own and there has to be some other issue at hand there. I believe that would be something similar to dementia if what it sounds like is correct?

 

I don't fully feel comfortable this being grouped in a topic called "Transgender support" completely.