Reform Society. (WARNING: Children should avoid)

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My A-level is in the bag i just have to do my last section which will be done this wednesday thanks for caring XD. One thing bugs me tho your 15 and you know all about the in's and out's of an animal by that i mean down to the last atom? because I'm sure i don't know. If so then please help me out on something if red meat is so bad why has it not been banned wait hold on i got a better one why do you want red meat banned is it because you love animals?

 

To be honest it don't matter would you like to know why? well it's simple ban red meat then ban all meat so that we have to live on tablets is that good? the answer is no. People take extra vitamins and stuff because they do not eat the right stuff (O.k. not everyone that takes the tablets are on bad diets) I'm not saying lets kill everything and eat im just saying eat what you need not what you want.

 

So on closing 2sick4u I have my views you have your views but don't take hits on something because it hurts your feelings or because it's about something dying' date='

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uhh. What?..

When did i say i loved animals? Dude. It's either your gifted with your hands; which by your typing and grammer abilities, i can say your not, or your a pretty much full fledged retard. You assumed i liked animals, simply because i said meat shouldn't be eaten. Meat doesn't need to be eaten; Everything it provides can be found elsewhere? So no, i don't love animals, I just hate stupidity, which is why you don't get to stop this. *Reads more of your post* Why isn't it banned? You did say your studying food right? I have a year 8 home ec. education and know better. Also, the only tablet you'd need is an iron one, and people with iron deficiencies live off them just fine. People take vitamins for a stimulant or they don't like the food that provides it; not because there fat, as you were implying. "Im not saying eat everything" In fact, promoting the eating of red-meat is. Don't contradict yourself; it's stupid.

 

"So on closing.." What the heck? Your making a speech to me, with a conclusion. Pfft. Now i know your trying to act older. It doesn't hurt my feelings, if it did, i'd con you into sending me an e-mail, find out your address through it, and kick your 10 year old nuts in. So no, it didn't, it just annoyed me. Dying? I'm 15. What the heck part of dying would effect me. Get over yourself.

2sick~

 

your 15 and you seem to love yourself but thats fine i mean no skin off my nose.ok my grammer is pretty bad but do you think that bother's me? nope wrong there kid and with the whole im 10 thing its funny i could just as easy say your 30 or 40 and trying to get kids to send you picture's

[Ballpitshark]

Well, that my friend is impossible. Too many soft shells live in the world, and would greatly object to a "second" Holocaust, and they're as much people as us. Regardless, you are logically correct. Logic, religion, and people's feeling can all be extremely different, but science defeats religion with reality, and logic defeats feelings. Basically, a growing immense human population cannot be supported by one world.

 

And maybe, genecide is the logical decision, until logic finds a more civilised solution for life's downfalls.

[Professor Cobra]

Murder is not wanted, since it's not usual for modern people. ONLY for savages and animals.

[2sick4u]

Murder is not wanted' date=' since it's not usual for modern people. ONLY for savages and animals.

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... And That's what you call an opinion of someone that doesn't want to read the entire debate.

How is it only for savages and animals? In all honesty; Statics murder beliefs are the only part of his Un-facist speech I agree with.

 

Seriously. I'm not even going to dig into your post. It's stupid. Just because I'm bored, i'll prove it.

Starting with..

"Murder is not wanted." Huh? Speak for yourself, buddy, and word it so your not speaking for the globe. I can admit there are people I'd like to see murdered; which means what you said is stupid.

"Since it's not usual for modern people." Wow. Putting in apostrophes doesn't make you smarter. Good god. STOP SAYING THE OBVIOUS. Of course it's not usual for modern people. The more modern, the more structured, the more structured, the more law abided, The more law abided, the more fear is injected into society of prosecution. Just for you, i'll say, It means their afraid to kill.

Okay. Last part. "ONLY for savages and animals." Guess what. There is no murder between animals. Animals; By societies law, are incapable of being prosecuted for murder. Therefore they can't commit the crime of murder, which means what you said is wrong again.

 

*sigh*. Anyway. Global war for the possession of the earth (The type of Genocide i think would work.) could leave a dominant sub-race, with resources (for once) outweighing the population. People are patriotic. So screw it; let them back it up.

 

2sick~

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I will speak on each topic one at a time first

 

1. Murder is condemned because it is aggressive War should be used only as defense so it is a necessary evil in life. Some people should be killed and I do believe in the death penalty

 

2. Democracy does not fail. It leans toward the best interest of the people so we can be happier.

 

3. Terminating the resources of the elderly and sick is monstrous. They did not choose their life so they do not deserve to die. The working can care for themselves, but they need help.

 

4. Religion is meant to bring people together and will never be banned. It can cause great problems and does on many occasions. Forcing people to abandon their religion is just as bad as forcing them to convert.

 

5. You can not terminate people with bad genes it is evil to kill a person for something they can control. Gene manipulation is a much more humane answer to the problem. Misguide people who commit crimes deserve to die if the crime is sever enough.

 

6. The Government should not control the people the people should control the government. If you ration out the money then it will turn into poverty just as all Socialist countries have. So that can't work in the real world.

 

7. Killing a child because it has difficulties is cruel and unfair to the child. They have no choice over the life they are given. Infanticide is one of the worst things you could do to them.

[T. Sankara]

What is this a F***** communismn? I'm sick of seeing this, this, CRAP. Why the hell are you all so woried about GENOCIDE "cleansing" the earth? And I think we all have our own rights to believe what we want, but if YOU were part of that GENOCIDE, you'd be pissed. So right now, as far as religion is concerned, I'm sticking to mine. ANd anyone who doesn't like that, well I don't give a flying fahita. So shut up with the bull, and move on with your lives. No dictatorship is gonna CLEANSE the world, and that damn sure includes Genocide.

[moonwalk 2000]

genocide is stupid now slavery i can work with. just in slave the inferior peoples and make them do you work for you. it that simple. and remember laws like say gun laws only effect law abiding citizens, do you real think that a felon will stop to think be for he buys an illegal sawed off shotgun. there for these laws are of no use.unless your a fascist government trying to disarm the populous.

[「tea.leaf」]

Very utilitarian, I agree with most of this.

 

However, human flaws will keep this from ever becoming reality. Otherwise, Communism would be strong and bold right now. It's just people are too greedy to share their power once the time has come.

[Static]

I will speak on each topic one at a time first

 

1. Murder is condemned because it is aggressive War should be used only as defense so it is a necessary evil in life. Some people should be killed and I do believe in the death penalty

 

2. Democracy does not fail. It leans toward the best interest of the people so we can be happier.

 

3. Terminating the resources of the elderly and sick is monstrous. They did not choose their life so they do not deserve to die. The working can care for themselves' date=' but they need help.

 

4. Religion is meant to bring people together and will never be banned. It can cause great problems and does on many occasions. Forcing people to abandon their religion is just as bad as forcing them to convert.

 

5. You can not terminate people with bad genes it is evil to kill a person for something they can control. Gene manipulation is a much more humane answer to the problem. Misguide people who commit crimes deserve to die if the crime is sever enough.

 

6. The Government should not control the people the people should control the government. If you ration out the money then it will turn into poverty just as all Socialist countries have. So that can't work in the real world.

 

7. Killing a child because it has difficulties is cruel and unfair to the child. They have no choice over the life they are given. Infanticide is one of the worst things you could do to them.

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1. You speak that because you see morality as truth. It is not, no morals are true under anything beyond your own perception. No being exists that CAN DEFINE AND JUDGE what truth is.

 

Quote 2 is perhaps some of the most misguided thoughts I have ever heard. Democracy allows the majority to enslave the minority.

 

3. People who are elderly cannot help society, and by that time, they are useless. Humans are societies tools, my ideals just make this more blunt that current society is about how it works.

 

4. Faith is poison. It ruins our race for people to believe anything that is not true, and creates needless wars and problems. It should go for the sake of the people who are not misguided.

 

5. Killing is not evil. Thats just what the bible says, and we all know how outdated that book is right guys? Gene manipulation requires research, and can also kill an individual, so its not a bad idea, a good first try once it has been perfected, but for now, not doing such allows conflict to exist, and perfect society is the goal of our race.

 

6. The government has, and always will control its people. If people want a government that holds them as the elite race because there are more of them than of the minority, they should NOT be granted such evil whims, and rather, punished for having such disgusting pride.

 

7. There are too many children as it is. Whats one to the whole? a part of 6.5 billion isn't much, especially if we need to get those numbers down anyway.

 

Very utilitarian' date=' I agree with most of this.

 

However, human flaws will keep this from ever becoming reality. Otherwise, Communism would be strong and bold right now. It's just people are too greedy to share their power once the time has come.

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But the lack of power given to the leaders of the USA causes it so that nothing beneficial gets done fast enough, which is just as bad as having a corrupt leader. Might as well take the risk if doing nothing will get nothing done.

 

I would have to say i agree with some of this.

 

"...Abortion shall be legalized' date='...The killing of animals that produce Red meat should be banned, as red meat causes cancer (statistics to prove can be provided) and all forms of growth hormones (non human) should be banned,....."

 

I don't agree with the rest of it though.

 

Well, you cannot be easily countered with logic so I won't use "logic".

 

".....benefit the majority can be denied by the WEAK who care about others,..."

 

now I'm not saying you are cruel or a bad person for stating this but i must say i strongly disagree with you. I believe everyone has a right to life if they want it.

 

I also believe in god but not in e religious way because my beliefs would contradic any religion i would be in. I just believe everybody should be treated equally and fairly.

 

Now communism isnt a bad thing but i believe it should be a last resort, instead democracy [b'] Without [/b] corruption would be a better alternative.

 

now i havnt really put up a good argument but it would be much better in person.

 

also, i will respectively strongly disagree with most of your arguement. and trying to convince me it is correct is pointless. but i dont believe you are a bad person seeing as i havent met you.

 

Thats ok, I love you anyways :)

 

Oh, and on the "Life, IF THEY WANT IT" part. I completely agree with the, if they want to die, they should not be denied assistance in such matters. Suicide, if desired, should not be prevented. So thats one thing I think I got from you that is somewhat agreeable.

 

And as long as classism exists, as long as people see each other as different, democracy cannot work. We would literally need to remove everyones left brain for this to even have a chance of working.

 

Well' date=' that my friend is impossible. Too many soft shells live in the world, and would greatly object to a "second" Holocaust, and they're as much people as us. Regardless, you are logically correct. Logic, religion, and people's feeling can all be extremely different, but science defeats religion with reality, and logic defeats feelings. Basically, a growing immense human population cannot be supported by one world.

 

And maybe, genecide is the logical decision, until logic finds a more civilised solution for life's downfalls.

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Giant meteors sound fun? I like them too :) It's too bad people can't put their feelings behind their reason.

 

If so then please help me out on something if red meat is so bad why has it not been banned wait hold on i got a better one why do you want red meat banned is it because you love animals?

 

To be honest it don't matter would you like to know why? well it's simple ban red meat then ban all meat so that we have to live on tablets is that good? the answer is no. People take extra vitamins and stuff because they do not eat the right stuff (O.k. not everyone that takes the tablets are on bad diets) I'm not saying lets kill everything and eat im just saying eat what you need not what you want.

 

Red meat has not been banned because the industry makes so much money off of it. We have evolved to the point to which we can live on tablets' date=' and I ask you, why not? It saves a lot of animals, which have just as much a right to live as any human being, and if made properly, pose less of a sickness risk than meat. I'm not going to argue against the fact that red meat has certain amino acids, but I will tell you that these aminos are bad for you in the form that animals give them.

 

What is this a F***** communismn? I'm sick of seeing this, this, CRAP. Why the hell are you all so woried about GENOCIDE "cleansing" the earth? And I think we all have our own rights to believe what we want, but if YOU were part of that GENOCIDE, you'd be pissed. So right now, as far as religion is concerned, I'm sticking to mine. ANd anyone who doesn't like that, well I don't give a flying fahita. So shut up with the bull, and move on with your lives. No dictatorship is gonna CLEANSE the world, and that damn sure includes Genocide.

 

It's COMMUNISM fool. I had written a longer response, but it was far too "Inhuman", as i judged you by the ignorance of the above post, to post.

 

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Killing is evil if it is pointless. Certain people deserve do die for their crimes. I think that killing an infant is cruel. They do not deserve to die, and if the parent does not want the child then they should have an abortion. If they don't then the child does not deserve to die, and any one who would kill an infant is the one who should be killed. In Kyushu, Japan during the Feudal Ages there was mass infanticide when they were attacked, but that was so the child would not suffer when the city fell.

 

Democracy lets the majority rule because that is the best way to rule. Otherwise the government decides what is right and wrong. If you have another form of government which would work better I'd like to hear it.

 

I agree if a person wants to die then they should kill themselves and be done with it. Most people who commit suicide are weak and have no value. Some just need help to get out of their present situation.

 

Faith can help people and is the foundation of human society. It can cause war, but so can natural resources, which is the most common, land, vendetta, and pride. Religion is a way for people to find hope, and you have no right to call something false when you have no idea what happens when you die.

 

The elderly can and do "help society" they hold jobs, teach, and are sometimes very wise. Most people who do not contribute to society are young and in their early twenties. One day your own parents and you will be old and by your standards would be terminated. So think about that before you make your ideas.

 

Truthfully no one has perfect genes. Many people have diseases they are just dormant genes and do not affect them but can cause their children to have an active form of the illness.

[2sick4u]

Killing is evil if it is pointless. Certain people deserve do die for their crimes. I think that killing an infant is cruel. They do not deserve to die' date=' and if the parent does not want the child then they should have an abortion. If they don't then the child does not deserve to die, and any one who would kill an infant is the one who should be killed. In Kyushu, Japan during the Feudal Ages there was mass infanticide when they were attacked, but that was so the child would not suffer when the city fell.

 

Democracy lets the majority rule because that is the best way to rule. Otherwise the government decides what is right and wrong. If you have another form of government which would work better I'd like to hear it.

 

I agree if a person wants to die then they should kill themselves and be done with it. Most people who commit suicide are weak and have no value. Some just need help to get out of their present situation.

 

Faith can help people and is the foundation of human society. It can cause war, but so can natural resources, which is the most common, land, vendetta, and pride. Religion is a way for people to find hope, and you have no right to call something false when you have no idea what happens when you die.

 

The elderly can and do "help society" they hold jobs, teach, and are sometimes very wise. Most people who do not contribute to society are young and in their early twenties. One day your own parents and you will be old and by your standards would be terminated. So think about that before you make your ideas.

 

Truthfully no one has perfect genes. Many people have diseases they are just dormant genes and do not affect them but can cause their children to have an active form of the illness.

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Personally, Static does pave the path to a better world with his views.

If Infants die, and the elderly die, resources can become maintainable.

Also, I believe that anyone residing in China should get a vasectomy, since they're getting out of control.

Also, Infants are already killed, commonly to.

In China, because of the "One Child" Law, if you happen to have a girl, and want to keep your family name, you can have her killed.

Wake up, and see the world for what it is.

There is no moral decency, there's only preservation and termination.

Right now, were going towards termination.

With less population, we can lean to preservation.

Also, you think if it's for a good purpose, it's not wrong.

In your "Infanticide" thing, you just shrug of the genocide of children because it was to protect them.

Are you kidding me?

How can killing be protecting?

The only instance of that would be killing the Dixie Chicks before they get another recording contract. That's protecting, killing children, is not.

It's not the government that flaws us, well, it kind of is, but it's our differences, and greed, that separate us as a maintainable society.

Honestly, a bum might want a Ferrari. Can't afford one, So he has to steal one. Peoples greed is the poison diminishing our society.

Hm.

Didn't you know?

Statics paranormal.

He can see what happens when you die.

>_>.

Who gives, you know the truth, refusing to listen to yourself isn't admirable.

The elderly.. Pfft.

They take up our public health money, clog hospitals, and need Government built health buildings to house those with a specific disease. Their wisdom isn't worth sheet. Our Tax money is.

You've really got to try not sounding smart.

Reading what you type is just.. So.. Annoying.

Also, if a woman wants a child, she should take responsibility and make sure her, and her husband, cannot pass any Illness, infection, disease, whatever, down. Otherwise, they accept the risk. Ever seen a child born when the mother has genital herpies? Yeah. Parents fault.

"Our neglect will devour us all."

My third grade teacher.

Never thought he was anything but a nutjob until now.

=/.

2sick~

[Static]

1. Killing is evil if it is pointless. Certain people deserve do die for their crimes. I think that killing an infant is cruel. They do not deserve to die' date=' and if the parent does not want the child then they should have an abortion. If they don't then the child does not deserve to die, and any one who would kill an infant is the one who should be killed. In Kyushu, Japan during the Feudal Ages there was mass infanticide when they were attacked, but that was so the child would not suffer when the city fell.

 

2. Democracy lets the majority rule because that is the best way to rule. Otherwise the government decides what is right and wrong. If you have another form of government which would work better I'd like to hear it.

 

3. I agree if a person wants to die then they should kill themselves and be done with it. Most people who commit suicide are weak and have no value. Some just need help to get out of their present situation.

 

4. Faith can help people and is the foundation of human society. It can cause war, but so can natural resources, which is the most common, land, vendetta, and pride. Religion is a way for people to find hope, and you have no right to call something false when you have no idea what happens when you die.

 

5. The elderly can and do "help society" they hold jobs, teach, and are sometimes very wise. Most people who do not contribute to society are young and in their early twenties. One day your own parents and you will be old and by your standards would be terminated. So think about that before you make your ideas.

 

6. Truthfully no one has perfect genes. Many people have diseases they are just dormant genes and do not affect them but can cause their children to have an active form of the illness.

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I added numbers to your paragraphs so that I may respond accordingly.

 

Thanks 2sick, you put it well, but I feel I must comment on these as well, despite your excellent job on the matter.

 

Ok. Here we go.

 

1. No one deserves life, and no one deserves death, for any reasons other than the ONES WE MAKE. Human life has no value, child or adult, and especially ones of people that do not help maintain a equal and fair standard of living for the human race as a whole.

 

2. Government should tell its people what is right and wrong. Who are human beings, especially ones brought up with false hope in an afterlife and taught by way of outdated books to judge what is right and wrong. They shouldn't, they should be told what to believe, just like everyone else, and this shared common belief, one that MAKES SENSE, should be held by every member of society. The best type of government is Authoritarian Communism, like Stalin's, because it will bring us the closest to one class of human beings, one that lacks difference in the areas of religion, equality, and usefulness to society.

 

3. Who are you to judge another as weak? All men are equal, regardless of mental strength.

 

4. No, faith is the foundation of fallacy. So your telling me that more wars have occurred over land and natural resources than faith? Ha, The Crusades was the longest series of wars in history, completely based on faith. As well, horrible actions committed by men like Constantine and Christopher Columbus in the name of thyne king and lord. Genocides of Native Americans and the enslavement and trade of Black Africans was justified in the name of god. I will quote a former friend of mine, also a Nihilist. "Hope is merely the carrot on a string that makes the horse travel to its next destination." Hope and faith are blind, they hold no certainty to them, and should not be trusted over what actually makes sense from logical reasoning and deduction. You can say that I do not know what happens to me when I am dead, but you cannot tell me that I do not know what will NOT happen to me, because through logic, I can explain to you how a THINKING AND JUDGING GOD THAT CAN CREATE AND DESTROY AT WILL does not exist, and thus, how there is no heaven, no hell, no afterlife, and no soul that contains the memories of this life.

 

5. If the elderly can help society, then by all means they should, but you have to understand that those without jobs live off of medicine that has been created to ease symptoms, not remove them, so that they continue to pour their money into buying them, and into the FDA's pockets. These people are useless, and should be removed if they cannot be cured. The young who do not contribute to society are troubled, and it is either because of a disability/symptom, mental, physical or emotional, or because of a DRUG HABIT, and ideally, drugs would not be used for anything other than sparing get-togethers in an ideal society. Don't pull that morality bullshit on me hun, it doesn't work, people should be content with living their life, terminated early or not. They should be content with what their life is and has been, no regrets, and completely ready to face the future at all times.

 

6. Ideally, having children and sex would be separate in the society this thread speaks of. Sex would be something anyone could enjoy with anyone, because there would be no chance of impregnation. So lets say two people wanted to have a kid, sharing their genes. They would go to a doctor, who would create the kid with their genetic material. He would look at the genetic history of the "to be" parents and would see whether the parents would put the child at risk of a genetic disorder or some sort of disease. If per say the mixing of materials is permitted, and the child is born diseased, then it can be removed, and another can be created with their materials, with no harm done. Have you seen the movie Gattaca? If not, you should. Soon enough, genetics close to ideal, for all jobs, ideally intelligent genetics, ideally strong genetics, ideally both, etc... will be found, and we will try to perfect our race and its genes in the pursuit of perfection.

 

The goal of the human race is to become perfect, by genetics, society, and the way people interact and think to keep the society in perfect harmony. It is not to live in reverence of an imaginary being.

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No one should be told what to believe. Any government that tried that would not last long. We all have individual minds and we won't always agree, but Democracy keeps the people and the government in check. If the government has to much power it will become corrupt which is the point of the checks and balance system.

 

2sick you have no idea what happened in Japan at the time. They smothered the children so they would not be decapitated. I am not saying it was right or wrong it is just a fact.

 

You are very wrong most wars in history were over land and resources. Europe was the only large place that did held wars almost soely for religion. The Crusades was one of the longest, but still more wars were waged for other reasons. People caused these wars not the religion they just used it to justify it. If they didn't use religion they would have found another way. Don't blame the entire religion for what some people did.

 

Your beliefs on any form of God is only based on christanity, but there are far more religions in the world now than just that. There is no way for you to know what the basis of creation and death is. You can believe what you choose to but you have no right to force people to agree. If you do you are the same as the men who killed in the name of religion. The Christians forced the Native Americans to convert or die which is the same as what you are saying. You would be doing the same thing just for a different cause.

 

I agree that we have too many people in the world, but killing the living is an inhumane answer. The ends do not justify the means. People should be taught that they don't need children and abortion should be encouraged not discouraged. If we stop all the fighting over abortion then more people would have them. Many girls do not want children, but are afraid what people would think if the aborted the pregnancy.

 

What you propose for the elderly is death when they are to sick to go on and if they want to die then they should. A person should not be removed because they have become "useless". If the shoe was on the other foot you would not be saying this. Can you honestly say that if you grow old or are disabled you would be ready to die?

 

You seem to see morality as weakness. I am seeing things from all sides you just see a perfect society for you, but for many others it would be a hell of fear and death. What is good for you does not benefit every one else so you have no right to propose such ridiculous changes. It may look good on paper but in the real world this would never work. You are very prejudice in your opinion on the sick and elderly, and the only way to achieve the perfection you see is if every person shared a mind which is not true. Every person on Earth is different and will have conflicts. Genetics take time and money. Hopefully we will eventually get their but it will take time.

 

You should live for yourself and those you care for not a god. If you follow a religion it doesn't mean you live your entire life by a book. Almost all Christians today don't follow the bible either. The bible speaks of a goddess and the number of the beast was mistranslated and is in truth 616 not 666. It was a mistranslation from Arabic to roman to English.

[Static]

1. No one should be told what to believe. Any government that tried that would not last long. We all have individual minds and we won't always agree' date=' but Democracy keeps the people and the government in check. If the government has to much power it will become corrupt which is the point of the checks and balance system.

 

2. 2sick you have no idea what happened in Japan at the time. They smothered the children so they would not be decapitated. I am not saying it was right or wrong it is just a fact.

 

3. You are very wrong most wars in history were over land and resources. Europe was the only large place that did held wars almost soely for religion. The Crusades was one of the longest, but still more wars were waged for other reasons. People caused these wars not the religion they just used it to justify it. If they didn't use religion they would have found another way. Don't blame the entire religion for what some people did.

 

4. Your beliefs on any form of God is only based on christanity, but there are far more religions in the world now than just that. There is no way for you to know what the basis of creation and death is. You can believe what you choose to but you have no right to force people to agree. If you do you are the same as the men who killed in the name of religion. The Christians forced the Native Americans to convert or die which is the same as what you are saying. You would be doing the same thing just for a different cause.

 

5. I agree that we have too many people in the world, but killing the living is an inhumane answer. The ends do not justify the means. People should be taught that they don't need children and abortion should be encouraged not discouraged. If we stop all the fighting over abortion then more people would have them. Many girls do not want children, but are afraid what people would think if the aborted the pregnancy.

 

6. What you propose for the elderly is death when they are to sick to go on and if they want to die then they should. A person should not be removed because they have become "useless". If the shoe was on the other foot you would not be saying this. Can you honestly say that if you grow old or are disabled you would be ready to die?

 

7. You seem to see morality as weakness. I am seeing things from all sides you just see a perfect society for you, but for many others it would be a hell of fear and death. What is good for you does not benefit every one else so you have no right to propose such ridiculous changes. It may look good on paper but in the real world this would never work. You are very prejudice in your opinion on the sick and elderly, and the only way to achieve the perfection you see is if every person shared a mind which is not true. Every person on Earth is different and will have conflicts. Genetics take time and money. Hopefully we will eventually get their but it will take time.

 

8. ou should live for yourself and those you care for not a god. If you follow a religion it doesn't mean you live your entire life by a book. Almost all Christians today don't follow the bible either. The bible speaks of a goddess and the number of the beast was mistranslated and is in truth 616 not 666. It was a mistranslation from Arabic to roman to English.

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Again numbered.

 

1. The only reason Hitler's Reich fell was because he tried to mess with the Russians, and because the Japanese attacked America. The only reason the USSR fell was because the leaders after Stalin were mediocre, and were not strong enough to bring the nation ahead of the United States in technological terms. Governments like this fail because people are allowed to think what they want to think, believe what they believe. "Freedom is precious, so precious that it must be rationed" - Greatest man to ever live, Vladimir Lenin

 

Checks and balances slow decision making time down, and allow conservative racists and men associated with large businesses to make all the real decisions. Our leader does NOT HAVE ENOUGH POWER. Corrupt is in the eyes of the people, but if we were to educate the people, tell then what the truth is, and BACK IT UP WITH LOGICAL REASONING AND DEDUCTION, then we could create a sensible society, one without faith and hope to guide it, without question to what truth is, and one that would do exactly what it should, one where the people's desires and the governments desires are one.

 

2. I cannot comment, but I point you back to #3 in my last post.

 

3. Examples or GTFO. We will not have a skeptical argument. Religion and Oppression are responsible for most wars, and most deaths. Religion is what allowed people to be in the mindset to justify said actions, and the fact that they thought the way they did is enough to have caused the war in the first place.

 

4. Don't question my knowledge of other, more plausible religions. If you check the validity of religion thread, I do believe in the existence of Brahma; a interconnected universe, but not a judging god. I have never told anyone what is right, just what is wrong, and the idea of a conscious god that can judge is completely wrong. Want proof? Ask.

 

The difference between my stating that people should become knowing and faithless, and the men of the Native genocide is that they had no cause other than to create more Christians. I actually have a goal in mind that won't create a horrible, faithful society.

 

5. The word inhumane holds no validity in arguments. There is no truth to morality, there is no right and wrong in the world, just in the minds of individuals. I'd love to shut up Conservative America, and get abortions to be promoted everywhere, but that just will not work without.... you know.. having to take some lives.

 

6. Are you serious? I'm content with my life now that if someone were to put a gun to my head, I would say, make it painless, have at it anytime you want, because I am happy living my life, however short it may be cut. Content with what is, never disappointed, its how I am, and I doubt you could find a better way to live your life. Longevity is not the goal of human, and it is ignorant for you to imply that. (not that it matters, I know I'm plenty ignorant :P, I'm just pointing that out so you can avoid ignorance in the future) In perfect society, people would exist for the society, not the other way around, and when they become useless, they would be removed for the sake of the people who are useful.

 

7. If we eliminate difference, we can achieve peace. The society we have now is blasphemous, with all its people are valued bullshit. Morality is not weakness, it is just not truth, which is what I keep trying to say. Perfect society is a society where the society wages no wars, has no conflict, and praises to no imaginary beings. Of course, we could have one where you all pray to such a being, but that would also involve a government that rules over you and takes advantage of you, using fear of god as an excuse to make you do its bidding. Religion is a tool of politics, and a society without one is the closest to "for the people" that we can achieve. The more alike we make people, the less a chance of conflict exists.

 

"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it.

The only question is whether World Government will be achieved

by conquest or consent."

 

- James Paul Walburg, before the US Senate.

 

If we must have a world government, I say let it be for the people, in the favor of what MAKES SENSE, and is NOT BASED ON EMOTIONAL CONNECTION to some religion. The people will exist to keep harmony, and will know one truth.

 

8. But people who live for themselves are selfish. Trust me on this one, its impossible to not live for yourself, Kant said that human action is selfish, unless it is affected by law. Law can make human act in a fair manner, but it is out of fear of the consequences of breaking the law. Most Christians may not live by the Bible, but still cannot provide a logical explanation to their beliefs. It generally revolves around this one quote: "you have to have faith." Let me ask you this. If the Bible has so many changes to it, how is it that modern Christianity is anything more than a mechanism to control the masses? More than half the world is plagued by faith in Jesus, a man, who through a logical standpoint, could not have been the son of a god. Look, I'm not trying to offend with anything I say, just pry some sort of sensible explanation to something that makes no logical sense.

 

Oh fun, now I have work. Yay? :/

[Willieh]

Actually Static is right. Hitler wouldn't have failed, had he not been such a dumbass about the way he did it. But honestly I think killing is wrong, unless it's for war. Some violence is necessary, some violence is heartless, some violence is stupid, some violence is selfless, some violence is selfish, and some violence is tragic. However all violence normally results in something bad, normally, not always. :|

[Static]

Also' date=' your views on religion are kind of.. well, robotic?

As in..

 

"To establish a better society for the whole, we need to remove the things that plague it. Religion, the biggest plague, needs to be banned, and anyone who will speak outright against this action should be destroyed with the religion, so no glory of such lies can be passed on, and to ensure that a unified knowledge of truth is kept in tact.."

 

Your pretty much saying that if this did happen, those who disagree and believe in a higher power (such as god.) Will be destroyed, and i take it you mean kill. So, we either die, or become ignorant to our own beliefs and listen to your thoughts under threat of death. Religion, though a plague, is only viral in the sense that religions contradict one another so greatly. If i walked up to somebody with a dot on there forehead, assume there Hindu, and start preaching about Christianity, they'd take it as an insult, and either argue, fight, or be ignorant. Either way, conflict ensues. Conflicts such as war, needless fighting, caused by this. So yes; Religion being banned could be a solution, but doing so, presumably under your jurisdiction, will be in essence be what religion is. And that is, forcing other peoples beliefs to match your own. So no, war will still happen, lives being lost at the same rate. All the world needs is a balance of opinion, one which everyone can abide by without feeling tampered with. Since this will never happen, society is pretty much no longer repair plausible.

Just my opinion ='].

 

2sick~[/b][/color]

 

OR, we could tell them what makes sense, for my sake, and create an Atheist society. Thats what, as a race evolved to the point where we can put our emotions and fears behind accepting what makes sense, should have achieved by now. :P

[2sick4u]

Also' date=' your views on religion are kind of.. well, robotic?

As in..

 

"To establish a better society for the whole, we need to remove the things that plague it. Religion, the biggest plague, needs to be banned, and anyone who will speak outright against this action should be destroyed with the religion, so no glory of such lies can be passed on, and to ensure that a unified knowledge of truth is kept in tact.."

 

Your pretty much saying that if this did happen, those who disagree and believe in a higher power (such as god.) Will be destroyed, and i take it you mean kill. So, we either die, or become ignorant to our own beliefs and listen to your thoughts under threat of death. Religion, though a plague, is only viral in the sense that religions contradict one another so greatly. If i walked up to somebody with a dot on there forehead, assume there Hindu, and start preaching about Christianity, they'd take it as an insult, and either argue, fight, or be ignorant. Either way, conflict ensues. Conflicts such as war, needless fighting, caused by this. So yes; Religion being banned could be a solution, but doing so, presumably under your jurisdiction, will be in essence be what religion is. And that is, forcing other peoples beliefs to match your own. So no, war will still happen, lives being lost at the same rate. All the world needs is a balance of opinion, one which everyone can abide by without feeling tampered with. Since this will never happen, society is pretty much no longer repair plausible.

Just my opinion ='].

 

2sick~[/b][/color]

 

OR, we could tell them what makes sense, for my sake, and create an Atheist society. Thats what, as a race evolved to the point where we can put our emotions and fears behind accepting what makes sense, should have achieved by now. :P

I was afraid you'd reply to that ;].

Since I don't want to get into a debate with someone that could drill me, at any point. =].

But eh, only live once. (<-- After-life joke. Ha-ha. I know.)

But an Atheist society..

Apparently, you don't recognize the devotion some religious people have.

You being you, I'm pretty sure you'd of heard of Cat Stevens.

A pretty famous star; He instantly threw all of his career away and became a Tibetan Monk.

You'd also know, In order to become a Tibetan Monk, you must simply relinquish all of your possessions. Including money. Which only further proves his devotion.

Trying to educate someone of this devotion would cause a few things.

Using Tibetan Monks as an example, one of these could happen:

1) The person will simply curse/attack you, and being Monks, they're probably pretty kick ass fighters.

2) They'd go into a state of denial, trying to block out your evidence and facts; Simply because of what they've already sacrificed for their religious choice. Pursuing them further would again lead to violence.

3) They conform.

You have a fair 66% chance of failure.

You have a fair 66% chance of conflict.

Either way, educating society into the Atheist way would be just as conflict heavy as religion.

I said it in another thread, and I support it just as much here.

Let this generation die, but leave the next educated to the sense it should be.

=/.

2sick~

[Static]

Also' date=' your views on religion are kind of.. well, robotic?

As in..

 

"To establish a better society for the whole, we need to remove the things that plague it. Religion, the biggest plague, needs to be banned, and anyone who will speak outright against this action should be destroyed with the religion, so no glory of such lies can be passed on, and to ensure that a unified knowledge of truth is kept in tact.."

 

Your pretty much saying that if this did happen, those who disagree and believe in a higher power (such as god.) Will be destroyed, and i take it you mean kill. So, we either die, or become ignorant to our own beliefs and listen to your thoughts under threat of death. Religion, though a plague, is only viral in the sense that religions contradict one another so greatly. If i walked up to somebody with a dot on there forehead, assume there Hindu, and start preaching about Christianity, they'd take it as an insult, and either argue, fight, or be ignorant. Either way, conflict ensues. Conflicts such as war, needless fighting, caused by this. So yes; Religion being banned could be a solution, but doing so, presumably under your jurisdiction, will be in essence be what religion is. And that is, forcing other peoples beliefs to match your own. So no, war will still happen, lives being lost at the same rate. All the world needs is a balance of opinion, one which everyone can abide by without feeling tampered with. Since this will never happen, society is pretty much no longer repair plausible.

Just my opinion ='].

 

2sick~[/b][/color]

 

OR, we could tell them what makes sense, for my sake, and create an Atheist society. Thats what, as a race evolved to the point where we can put our emotions and fears behind accepting what makes sense, should have achieved by now. :P

I was afraid you'd reply to that ;].

Since I don't want to get into a debate with someone that could drill me, at any point. =].

But eh, only live once. (<-- After-life joke. Ha-ha. I know.)

But an Atheist society..

Apparently, you don't recognize the devotion some religious people have.

You being you, I'm pretty sure you'd of heard of Cat Stevens.

A pretty famous star; He instantly threw all of his career away and became a Tibetan Monk.

You'd also know, In order to become a Tibetan Monk, you must simply relinquish all of your possessions. Including money. Which only further proves his devotion.

Trying to educate someone of this devotion would cause a few things.

Using Tibetan Monks as an example, one of these could happen:

1) The person will simply curse/attack you, and being Monks, they're probably pretty kick ass fighters.

2) They'd go into a state of denial, trying to block out your evidence and facts; Simply because of what they've already sacrificed for their religious choice. Pursuing them further would again lead to violence.

3) They conform.

You have a fair 66% chance of failure.

You have a fair 66% chance of conflict.

Either way, educating society into the Atheist way would be just as conflict heavy as religion.

I said it in another thread, and I support it just as much here.

Let this generation die, but leave the next educated to the sense it should be.

=/.

2sick~

 

First, I would like to say that the underlined line is worthy of praise. At least you can... think. Onto the rest of what you said.

 

Tibetan monks as an example against atheism was a silly choice. Why?

 

Because Atheism and Buddhism have little difference.

 

Let me explain

 

Atheists do not believe in a god. A god is a divine being that JUDGES, CREATES, AND THINKS. Buddhists do not believe in such a being, thus, they are Atheists. They believe in a interconnected universe, a Brahma, where all of the particles and energy in the universe are actually really the same stuff, one whole. Frankly, Physics helps to PROVE THAT, because light and heat can change form, gravity can take physical form (yeah, Science channel FTW!) and essentially energy and matter is interchangeable in form, it is all ONE ESSENCE. The sum of this essence is Brahma, the whole, not a god.

 

Now that the issue of Brahma not being a deity is cleared up, can you tell me that Buddhists are not atheists? You cannot.

 

And to be honest, Buddhism would be ideal to have people follow in a world order, teach contentment would help preserve humanity while making people function for the whole in such a way.

 

Ok, I'm about to go off topic.

 

Core issue, bad example.

 

Now lets change this around, lets say you had said, imagine how difficult it would be to convert Muslims, ones who are surefire god believers, ones who would not deny Allah, even if it brought them to death.

 

I would not care to destroy every last one of them. Thats just how it is. Of course, you had to hit a soft spot in me with the Buddhists, my Mom is one, and frankly, my beliefs are just as much Buddhist as atheist, so I had to prove how they actually wouldn't be touched in the creation of atheist society, but Muslims I have no love for, my father is a refugee from Libya, and I live in a highly Jewish populated neighborhood, and I have heard my fair share of Zionist philosophy. To me, a Palestinian is less than human. I have no trouble getting rid of them to establish perfection.

 

p.s. My first reply was meant to be mostly jokingly, for fun and laughs.

 

And drill you, I'm straight thanks, but I know a guy. ;)

[2sick4u]

Also' date=' your views on religion are kind of.. well, robotic?

As in..

 

"To establish a better society for the whole, we need to remove the things that plague it. Religion, the biggest plague, needs to be banned, and anyone who will speak outright against this action should be destroyed with the religion, so no glory of such lies can be passed on, and to ensure that a unified knowledge of truth is kept in tact.."

 

Your pretty much saying that if this did happen, those who disagree and believe in a higher power (such as god.) Will be destroyed, and i take it you mean kill. So, we either die, or become ignorant to our own beliefs and listen to your thoughts under threat of death. Religion, though a plague, is only viral in the sense that religions contradict one another so greatly. If i walked up to somebody with a dot on there forehead, assume there Hindu, and start preaching about Christianity, they'd take it as an insult, and either argue, fight, or be ignorant. Either way, conflict ensues. Conflicts such as war, needless fighting, caused by this. So yes; Religion being banned could be a solution, but doing so, presumably under your jurisdiction, will be in essence be what religion is. And that is, forcing other peoples beliefs to match your own. So no, war will still happen, lives being lost at the same rate. All the world needs is a balance of opinion, one which everyone can abide by without feeling tampered with. Since this will never happen, society is pretty much no longer repair plausible.

Just my opinion ='].

 

2sick~[/b][/color]

 

OR, we could tell them what makes sense, for my sake, and create an Atheist society. Thats what, as a race evolved to the point where we can put our emotions and fears behind accepting what makes sense, should have achieved by now. :P

I was afraid you'd reply to that ;].

Since I don't want to get into a debate with someone that could drill me, at any point. =].

But eh, only live once. (<-- After-life joke. Ha-ha. I know.)

But an Atheist society..

Apparently, you don't recognize the devotion some religious people have.

You being you, I'm pretty sure you'd of heard of Cat Stevens.

A pretty famous star; He instantly threw all of his career away and became a Tibetan Monk.

You'd also know, In order to become a Tibetan Monk, you must simply relinquish all of your possessions. Including money. Which only further proves his devotion.

Trying to educate someone of this devotion would cause a few things.

Using Tibetan Monks as an example, one of these could happen:

1) The person will simply curse/attack you, and being Monks, they're probably pretty kick ass fighters.

2) They'd go into a state of denial, trying to block out your evidence and facts; Simply because of what they've already sacrificed for their religious choice. Pursuing them further would again lead to violence.

3) They conform.

You have a fair 66% chance of failure.

You have a fair 66% chance of conflict.

Either way, educating society into the Atheist way would be just as conflict heavy as religion.

I said it in another thread, and I support it just as much here.

Let this generation die, but leave the next educated to the sense it should be.

=/.

2sick~

 

First, I would like to say that the underlined line is worthy of praise. At least you can... think. Onto the rest of what you said.

 

Tibetan monks as an example against atheism was a silly choice. Why?

 

Because Atheism and Buddhism have little difference.

 

Let me explain

 

Atheists do not believe in a god. A god is a divine being that JUDGES, CREATES, AND THINKS. Buddhists do not believe in such a being, thus, they are Atheists. They believe in a interconnected universe, a Brahma, where all of the particles and energy in the universe are actually really the same stuff, one whole. Frankly, Physics helps to PROVE THAT, because light and heat can change form, gravity can take physical form (yeah, Science channel FTW!) and essentially energy and matter is interchangeable in form, it is all ONE ESSENCE. The sum of this essence is Brahma, the whole, not a god.

 

Now that the issue of Brahma not being a deity is cleared up, can you tell me that Buddhists are not atheists? You cannot.

 

And to be honest, Buddhism would be ideal to have people follow in a world order, teach contentment would help preserve humanity while making people function for the whole in such a way.

 

Ok, I'm about to go off topic.

 

Core issue, bad example.

 

Now lets change this around, lets say you had said, imagine how difficult it would be to convert Muslims, ones who are surefire god believers, ones who would not deny Allah, even if it brought them to death.

 

I would not care to destroy every last one of them. Thats just how it is. Of course, you had to hit a soft spot in me with the Buddhists, my Mom is one, and frankly, my beliefs are just as much Buddhist as atheist, so I had to prove how they actually wouldn't be touched in the creation of atheist society, but Muslims I have no love for, my father is a refugee from Libya, and I live in a highly Jewish populated neighborhood, and I have heard my fair share of Zionist philosophy. To me, a Palestinian is less than human. I have no trouble getting rid of them to establish perfection.

 

p.s. My first reply was meant to be mostly jokingly, for fun and laughs.

 

And drill you, I'm straight thanks, but I know a guy. ;)

You unbelievable sonofajabroni. xD.

Okay. I.. I guess I agree =/.

It does make sense.

I guess we can agree that educating the next generation into the atheist way could mend the world without conflict. ;].

If we can get to them before the parents do, that is. >_>.

That, and yes, I'm kind of afraid to debate with you.

=].

 

Ps. It was a joke? Oh. Oh. Uhh.. Wow. You bastard? =].

 

Pss. I'd like to meet that guy.

 

Psss. I was kidding ;]. Statics all I need.

 

Pssss. Kidding again.. Or so you think.. ;).

 

You're a pretty epic debater Static.

Perhaps.. To Epic.

Watch out next time you sleep.

Yes, you can take that the gay, or killing, way. :D.

2sick~

[Willieh]

This isn't a bad idea. However, it would be incredibly hard to invoke. I think it would play out like it did with Hitler. Too many people would be against this idea; they would be afraid to progress to a better future by taking harsh movements. The best way to work this out would be to sterilize those with sexually transferred diseases and all those who would be a threat to the new born. Then create a new government based off dictatorship with basic freedoms, but not advanced freedoms. Like freedom of speech, but not freedom of religion. Then send all the children born to a reforming school of some sort to train them to be a certain way (not too much unlike the current education system -.-"). It would certainly be a really hard plan to help progress.

 

I myself would not try to spread such a government. It seems too much like you would be trying to provoke something bad to happen (i.e. a revolution/rebellion). In the end, I doubt it would work out. I'm not saying it would necessarily not work out at all.

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Brahma is not some interconnecting universe he is one of the Hindu Trimurti. He is the creator of all universes. Not finite matter. His feminine counterpart is Sarasvati or Gayatri. You are not worshipping Brahma if it is the cosmos. Brahma is the creator of the cosmos in Hindu mythology.

 

Buddhism is not an Atheist religion they worship a god. If you do not believe that you are mislead in every way on Buddha. Do some research on Buddha and Kwan Yin before you call them Atheist. There is a heaven and hell in Buddhism and Hinduism. They both have thinking deities and judging gods. So they are not atheist. You have no knowledge about either religion or their practices.

 

Communism is one of the most unfair governmental systems of all. Things are not fair if life is good for you but bad for everyone else. You may have a good life in the communist system, but many other people in your society would not be content. Humans all have different ideas and principles. Their will always be conflict. That is just a fact of life. You can't force people to agree with you. Communist system tries to destroy individual thought and personal identity. Destroying your freedom of speech and many of the other freedoms you enjoy. Many of them you most likely could not live without.

 

You say you are content with your life, but you also say if someone tried to kill you that you would just say "Make it painless?" You obviously aren't content or you wouldn't be so willing to die. People who are happy with their lives want to keep living it. Only people who are sick of their lives or not content are ready to go.

[Static]

1. Brahma is not some interconnecting universe he is one of the Hindu Trimurti. He is the creator of all universes. Not finite matter. His feminine counterpart is Sarasvati or Gayatri. You are not worshipping Brahma if it is the cosmos. Brahma is the creator of the cosmos in Hindu mythology.

 

2. Buddhism is not an Atheist religion they worship a god. If you do not believe that you are mislead in every way on Buddha. Do some research on Buddha and Kwan Yin before you call them Atheist. There is a heaven and hell in Buddhism and Hinduism. They both have thinking deities and judging gods. So they are not atheist. You have no knowledge about either religion or their practices.

 

3. Communism is one of the most unfair governmental systems of all. Things are not fair if life is good for you but bad for everyone else. You may have a good life in the communist system' date=' but many other people in your society would not be content. Humans all have different ideas and principles. Their will always be conflict. That is just a fact of life. [b']You can't force people to agree with you.[/b] Communist system tries to destroy individual thought and personal identity. Destroying your freedom of speech and many of the other freedoms you enjoy. Many of them you most likely could not live without.

 

4. You say you are content with your life, but you also say if someone tried to kill you that you would just say "Make it painless?" You obviously aren't content or you wouldn't be so willing to die. People who are happy with their lives want to keep living it. Only people who are sick of their lives or not content are ready to go.

 

 

 

1&2. The creator is "Brahman", not Brahma. The whole is Brahma. You speak of the Buddhism they teach in temples, I sat through that bullshit once, and I denied every monk that spoke as if something like that were true. In the end, the lightest approach, to understand the universe is one, not upon the Buddhist religion, but upon the Buddhist philosophy, is what I spoke of. Don't read a wiki and tell me you know more than I do, I've been to Sri Lankan Buddhist temples, I have talked with Buddhists concerning the philosophy of their religion. The "Literal" beliefs of every religion are false, it is the message the religion teaches that can have any real value, and this applies for all religions. Buddhism teaches an sense of unity with the universe, something people should feel, Christianity teaches a common sense of morality among the commoners so that you all stand in line at the whim of your ruling class, something people should not feel.

 

3. Did you not read the entirety of the first post? Difference is what is killing our race, if we destroy this difference, those of indifference can live in peace, and that is EXACTLY WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY. Since human life has no value, this goal can take any amount of lives to achieve, because it makes it better off for those who KNOW WHAT THE F-CK IS GOING ON.

 

4. Thats some dumb philosophy. Contentness is not happy, it is apathetic. This life has been good enough, let it continue, sure, let it end, sure. Anything is OK. Life is OK. Death is OK. Balance, whatever. Whatever is going to happen will happen, and there is no stopping it because the future is certain, so we might as well accept what is going to inevitably happen.