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well sence darkness metal and zombie are not out yet, and im not seeing them coming into TCG any time soon you have to think about your options, red eyes is a 2400 atk 7 star monster this card would ONLY be worth while if you special summoned him, hes only 7 stars so he cant be used with trade in, you could use that one spell card that alows you to summon a 7 star with only one tribute, i think its called tribute doll i cant remember, and there is red eyes darkness. darkness is a nami (i think thats right) monster, it would ONLY be good if you based your deck AROUND HIM. in addition hes 9 stars so no trade in. his effect is decent and if you use black chick to get out red eyes you can have a 3000 atk monster in one turn but your loseing 2 cards just to get him out. now blue eyes, he is a 8 star 3000 atk monster, completly worth the two tributes, AND hes workable with trade in. in addition like you stated before, your deck is not completly dragon, with this in mind, red-eyes would need an entire deck BUILT around him and his support cards for him to be even remotely good. blue eyes is splashable in decks that dont have any support for blue eyes in specific. so with all this in mind my suggestion is simple blue eyes. red eyes needs all the support it has to make it a posible deck idea, blue eyes dosent need any support. im kinda shocked you didnt come to this conclusion before hand...

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Even if we ignore God and Zombie' date=' Red-Eyes still wins due to Black Metal.

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black metal dragon is a horible card. honestly you would have a better case if you were talking about red eyes darkness. for starters your loseing two cards for a card that is really only a little bit more powerful then the redeyes with the metal morph. if you draw it your screwed, unless you get a trade-in or card trader but thats not a reliable sorce, and lets say it dose hit the feild, you would need to add in machine support just to make it decent. out of all of the red eyes support black metal is the worst. and of corse we can always explore the fact that he is not running a full fledged dragon deck, black metal would need a deck based around red eyes to be workable, and his deck is not even fully based around dragons (according to him) blue eyes can be special summoned from the grave yard and though there are support cards that work with blue eyes that also work with red eyes comparing red eyes to blue eyes is easy to see which is better. i stand by what i said.

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I would personaly choose Blue Eyes. Well because Red eyes has so many cards that could be useless at times. Trust me thats happend to me because I use to have a dragons deck. But if you put Blue Eyes then you have a deck thats short and sweet. Blue Eyes is stronger too.

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Even if we ignore God and Zombie' date=' Red-Eyes still wins due to Black Metal.

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black metal dragon is a horible card. honestly you would have a better case if you were talking about red eyes darkness. for starters your loseing two cards for a card that is really only a little bit more powerful then the redeyes with the metal morph. if you draw it your screwed, unless you get a trade-in or card trader but thats not a reliable sorce, and lets say it dose hit the feild, you would need to add in machine support just to make it decent. out of all of the red eyes support black metal is the worst. and of corse we can always explore the fact that he is not running a full fledged dragon deck, black metal would need a deck based around red eyes to be workable, and his deck is not even fully based around dragons (according to him) blue eyes can be special summoned from the grave yard and though there are support cards that work with blue eyes that also work with red eyes comparing red eyes to blue eyes is easy to see which is better. i stand by what i said.

 

dude your doing it wrong, your not suppose to summon him, your suppose to send him to the grave to feed chimertech

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well sence darkness metal and zombie are not out yet' date=' and im not seeing them coming into TCG any time soon you have to think about your options, red eyes is a 2400 atk 7 star monster this card would ONLY be worth while if you special summoned him, hes only 7 stars so he cant be used with trade in, you could use that one spell card that alows you to summon a 7 star with only one tribute, i think its called tribute doll i cant remember, and there is red eyes darkness. darkness is a nami (i think thats right) monster, it would ONLY be good if you based your deck AROUND HIM. in addition hes 9 stars so no trade in. his effect is decent and if you use black chick to get out red eyes you can have a 3000 atk monster in one turn but your loseing 2 cards just to get him out. now blue eyes, he is a 8 star 3000 atk monster, completly worth the two tributes, AND hes workable with trade in. in addition like you stated before, your deck is not completly dragon, with this in mind, red-eyes would need an entire deck BUILT around him and his support cards for him to be even remotely good. blue eyes is splashable in decks that dont have any support for blue eyes in specific. so with all this in mind my suggestion is simple blue eyes. red eyes needs all the support it has to make it a posible deck idea, blue eyes dosent need any support. im kinda shocked you didnt come to this conclusion before hand...

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YOUR DOING IT WRONG!

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Even if we ignore God and Zombie' date=' Red-Eyes still wins due to Black Metal.

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black metal dragon is a horible card.

 

Except it isn't.

 

honestly you would have a better case if you were talking about red eyes darkness.

 

Except I wouldn't.

 

for starters your loseing two cards for a card that is really only a little bit more powerful then the redeyes with the metal morph.

 

Except I'm not.

 

if you draw it your screwed' date='

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Except I'm not.

 

unless you get a trade-in or card trader but thats not a reliable sorce' date='

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Except you're wrong.

 

and lets say it dose hit the feild' date='

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Except it shouldn't.

 

you would need to add in machine support just to make it decent.

 

Except it doesn't hit the field.

 

out of all of the red eyes support black metal is the worst.

 

Except it isn't.

 

and of corse we can always explore the fact that he is not running a full fledged dragon deck' date='

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Except that's a good thing.

 

black metal would need a deck based around red eyes to be workable' date='

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Except it wouldn't.

 

and his deck is not even fully based around dragons (according to him)

 

Except that's a good thing.

 

blue eyes can be special summoned from the grave yard

 

Except he sucks.

 

and though there are support cards that work with blue eyes that also work with red eyes

 

Except there is no common support between BEWD and Black Metal.

 

comparing red eyes to blue eyes is easy to see which is better.

 

Except you came to the wrong conclusion.

 

i stand by what i said.

 

Except you're still wrong.

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I agree with Crab Helmet' date=' adn if I was asked Red-Eyes or Blue-Eyes I would answer: Red-Eyes, he looks better! But God and Zombie is pretty good, and Darkness adn Metal i also very good.

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Except that the non-metal version of Darkness is terrible.

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YOUR DOING IT WRONG!

 

WOW, you have opend my eyes, i now see why red eyes black metal dragon is such an awesome card, i mean i present plenty of explanation and your four words have told me everything i need to know. i thank you for opening my, alright thats enough. look i respect thefact that you dissagree with me, but taking the YOUR WRONG approach to your argument is going to give me the completly wrong message. you see when i state something about some one and they tell me to shut up, my automatic assumption is that because they have nothing to tell me to counter act my argument they take the "your wrong" approach, which tells me im right. so please think again about what your posting is going to tell me. if it wasent for other posts i would have just dissmissed this as a comment that ment nothing. SO in the future PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR SIDE because people may not understand a YOUR DOING IT WRONG. as appose to YOUR DOING IT WRONG, because:. please not just for my sake for other people as well.

 

to Crab Helmet:

 

OK I concede HOWEVER you are still taking the same basic approach to the person above. Please in order for me to be able to come up with a FULLY educated decision on this please explain to me exactly HOW black metal dragon is really good, I admit that I may have passed judgment on it a bit too hastily but that was because I was not thinking about it. Thus I wish to have a full explanation. So please explain what makes black metal an awesome card.

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The mian reason it is good because it is a nomi' date=' used in nomi turbo for decks that involve chimeratech. Reasoning and monster gate both skip over it so it dumps machines in graveyard faster for overload for a OTK.

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THANK YOU! wow, i wasnt thinking that... i mean i must really be off the ball today because that totally didnt cross my mind. i was still thinking trade in and armageddon knight/dark grepher.

 

though with that in mind i still stand by my suggestion, i mean think about it if he was going to run that its not like he would just modify his deck, its not like he would just have to rework his deck, he would have to SCRAP this deck and work on a COMPLETLY different deck, and im not sure his intention when posting this thread was to make a new deck but to make his deck better.

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Quick Question: Nomi?!?

 

Anyway, I don't have Black Metal, nor do I plan on trying to get him.

 

I took out Red-eyes. He was only 100 ATK points stronger than Horus anyway, and for an extra tribute, it wasn't worth it.

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Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Red Eyes has more support. Blue Eyes has more power. Red Eyes Black Metal Dragon isnt used in a Red Eyes based deck. Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon hasnt been released in TCG. Red Eyes Darkness Dragon is more efficient and therefore better than Blue Eyes Shining Dragon. Despite its lack of ATK it is more than made up for with it being easier to summon than Blue Eyes Shining Dragon. Its true that Red Eyes Darkness Dragon may be terrible without support but used correctly with the right support it can be an excellent card. Power isnt everything. Its meaningless without strategy.

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Quick Question: Nomi?!?

 

Anyway' date=' I don't have Black Metal, nor do I plan on trying to get him.

 

I took out Red-eyes. He was only 100 ATK points stronger than Horus anyway, and for an extra tribute, it wasn't worth it.

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A nomi is a monster that cannot be normal summoned and only special summoned by its own effect

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Quick Question: Nomi?!?

 

Anyway' date=' I don't have Black Metal, nor do I plan on trying to get him.

 

I took out Red-eyes. He was only 100 ATK points stronger than Horus anyway, and for an extra tribute, it wasn't worth it.

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A nomi is a monster that cannot be normal summoned and only special summoned by its own effect

 

No, what you describe is a Semi-Nomi monster. A Nomi monster is a monster that cannot be Normal Summoned or Set and cannot be Special Summoned except by its own effect.

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Quick Question: Nomi?!?

 

Anyway' date=' I don't have Black Metal, nor do I plan on trying to get him.

 

I took out Red-eyes. He was only 100 ATK points stronger than Horus anyway, and for an extra tribute, it wasn't worth it.

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A nomi is a monster that cannot be normal summoned and only special summoned by its own effect

 

No, what you describe is a Semi-Nomi monster. A Nomi monster is a monster that cannot be Normal Summoned or Set and cannot be Special Summoned except by its own effect.

Isnt that what i said

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Quick Question: Nomi?!?

 

Anyway' date=' I don't have Black Metal, nor do I plan on trying to get him.

 

I took out Red-eyes. He was only 100 ATK points stronger than Horus anyway, and for an extra tribute, it wasn't worth it.

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A nomi is a monster that cannot be normal summoned and only special summoned by its own effect

 

No, what you describe is a Semi-Nomi monster. A Nomi monster is a monster that cannot be Normal Summoned or Set and cannot be Special Summoned except by its own effect.

Isnt that what i said

No. You said "only special summoned". I said "cannot be Special Summoned except".

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