JesusofChaos™ Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 ^yep esically with zombie world+ disk commander, i see zombie decks with stupid amount of swarm and draw power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 what a lame rule change. Are you dead in the head or something like that. That isn't a lame rule change, it's a GOOD rule change. And JoC and other good TCG/OCG players here agree with that, cuts down the abusing a little bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 they better release that zombie deck overe here D : < also foolish buril there problem solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axiom_Nor Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Zombie deck's gonna be OCG only. This'll still suck for me though' date=' getting my 3 Zombie Masters was rather annoying, and now they've been nerfed.[/quote'] Its gonna be secret rares in a pack, most likely The Duel Genesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Flying Toaster Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 what a lame rule change. Are you dead in the head or something like that. That isn't a lame rule change' date=' it's a GOOD rule change. And JoC and other good TCG/OCG players here agree with that, cuts down the abusing a little bit[/quote'] yes, I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Cunning cannot be activated when you're graveyard is empty; it's a stupid ruling that we've had for a while. Spells and Traps have a tendency to be more stingy with regard to their activation conditions than Effect Monsters, which was the previous explanation for this discrepancy. Also, yes, Cunning has a cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotfoilcard Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? You can still get back the same SixSam you tossed. It's always been that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? Cunning was not affected by this ruling; as I said, it was ruled long ago that Cunning cannot be activated when your graveyard contains no "Six Samurai" monsters, but you can re-summon the tributed monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? Cunning was not affected by this ruling; as I said' date=' it was ruled long ago that Cunning cannot be activated when your graveyard contains no "Six Samurai" monsters, but you can re-summon the tributed monster.[/quote'] Stop ****ing restating what I already said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? Cunning was not affected by this ruling; as I said' date=' it was ruled long ago that Cunning cannot be activated when your graveyard contains no "Six Samurai" monsters, but you can re-summon the tributed monster.[/quote'] Stop ****ing restating what I already said. Nah, it was really a combination of what you already said and what I had said in my last post that hotfoilcard ignored because he didn't bother to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? Cunning was not affected by this ruling; as I said' date=' it was ruled long ago that Cunning cannot be activated when your graveyard contains no "Six Samurai" monsters, but you can re-summon the tributed monster.[/quote'] Stop ****ing restating what I already said. Nah, it was really a combination of what you already said and what I had said in my last post that hotfoilcard ignored because he didn't bother to read it. Fine. And why are Trap Dustshoot and Chimeratech Fortress Dragon banned on Atem's latest list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? Cunning was not affected by this ruling; as I said' date=' it was ruled long ago that Cunning cannot be activated when your graveyard contains no "Six Samurai" monsters, but you can re-summon the tributed monster.[/quote'] Stop ****ing restating what I already said. Nah, it was really a combination of what you already said and what I had said in my last post that hotfoilcard ignored because he didn't bother to read it. Fine. And why are Trap Dustshoot and Chimeratech Fortress Dragon banned on Atem's latest list? Trap Dustshoot is banned for basically the same reason as The Forceful Sentry, AND because it punishes players for playing well and maintaining hand advantage. CFD should be obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? Cunning was not affected by this ruling; as I said' date=' it was ruled long ago that Cunning cannot be activated when your graveyard contains no "Six Samurai" monsters, but you can re-summon the tributed monster.[/quote'] Stop ****ing restating what I already said. Nah, it was really a combination of what you already said and what I had said in my last post that hotfoilcard ignored because he didn't bother to read it. Fine. And why are Trap Dustshoot and Chimeratech Fortress Dragon banned on Atem's latest list? Trap Dustshoot is banned for basically the same reason as The Forceful Sentry, AND because it punishes players for playing well and maintaining hand advantage. CFD should be obvious. But Cyber Dragon is ALSO banned. Why ban CFD also? For the off chance that someone runs a Proto-Cyber deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotfoilcard Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 orly is it that i didnt read what you two said or that i didnt take it as gospel? arragonce abundance is not crystal beast spell support you chodes and im quoting im referring to that hideous sextuple quote by chaos pudding... plus im talking about is exactly THAT...the ability to summon the monster you tributed for cunning....that what people were doing with zombie master....duh>>????? .......... .......... the dots are me refraining from going off on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 orly is i that i didnt read what you two said or that i didnt take it as gospel? arragonce abundance is not crystal beast spell support you chodes First off, what the **** are you trying to say here. Proper grammar goes a long way towards making your points understood clearly. Secondly, if I'm reading your post right, why the **** didn't you read the whole topic beforehand to see if you question wasn't already answered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 orly is it that i didnt read what you two said or that i didnt take it as gospel? arragonce abundance is not crystal beast spell support you chodes What f*cking language are you speaking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotfoilcard Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 orly is it that i didnt read what you two said or that i didnt take it as gospel? arragonce abundance is not crystal beast spell support you chodes What f*cking language are you speaking? check the edit champ it gets better.... im speaking the language free of asterisks btw lolz i love how people pop off on this site for such garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? Cunning was not affected by this ruling; as I said' date=' it was ruled long ago that Cunning cannot be activated when your graveyard contains no "Six Samurai" monsters, but you can re-summon the tributed monster.[/quote'] Stop ****ing restating what I already said. Nah, it was really a combination of what you already said and what I had said in my last post that hotfoilcard ignored because he didn't bother to read it. Fine. And why are Trap Dustshoot and Chimeratech Fortress Dragon banned on Atem's latest list? Trap Dustshoot is banned for basically the same reason as The Forceful Sentry, AND because it punishes players for playing well and maintaining hand advantage. CFD should be obvious. But Cyber Dragon is ALSO banned. Why ban CFD also? For the off chance that someone runs a Proto-Cyber deck? Nobleman of Crossout. As long as NoC exists, flips are unplayable. As long as CFD exists, Machines are unplayable. orly is it that i didnt read what you two said or that i didnt take it as gospel? arragonce abundance is not crystal beast spell support you chodes and im quoting im referring to that hideous sextuple quote by chaos pudding... plus im talking about is exactly THAT...the ability to summon the monster you tributed for cunning....that what people were doing with zombie master....duh>>????? .......... .......... the dots are me refraining from going off on you .......... .......... The dots are me pondering the best way to ask you how retarded you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? Cunning was not affected by this ruling; as I said' date=' it was ruled long ago that Cunning cannot be activated when your graveyard contains no "Six Samurai" monsters, but you can re-summon the tributed monster.[/quote'] Stop ****ing restating what I already said. Nah, it was really a combination of what you already said and what I had said in my last post that hotfoilcard ignored because he didn't bother to read it. Fine. And why are Trap Dustshoot and Chimeratech Fortress Dragon banned on Atem's latest list? Trap Dustshoot is banned for basically the same reason as The Forceful Sentry, AND because it punishes players for playing well and maintaining hand advantage. CFD should be obvious. But Cyber Dragon is ALSO banned. Why ban CFD also? For the off chance that someone runs a Proto-Cyber deck? Nobleman of Crossout. As long as NoC exists, flips are unplayable. As long as CFD exists, Machines are unplayable. But Cyber Dragon, the part that CFD needs beyond a shadow of a doubt, is BANNED. Meaning that Machines have nothing to fear from CFD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? Cunning was not affected by this ruling; as I said' date=' it was ruled long ago that Cunning cannot be activated when your graveyard contains no "Six Samurai" monsters, but you can re-summon the tributed monster.[/quote'] Stop ****ing restating what I already said. Nah, it was really a combination of what you already said and what I had said in my last post that hotfoilcard ignored because he didn't bother to read it. Fine. And why are Trap Dustshoot and Chimeratech Fortress Dragon banned on Atem's latest list? Trap Dustshoot is banned for basically the same reason as The Forceful Sentry, AND because it punishes players for playing well and maintaining hand advantage. CFD should be obvious. But Cyber Dragon is ALSO banned. Why ban CFD also? For the off chance that someone runs a Proto-Cyber deck? Nobleman of Crossout. As long as NoC exists, flips are unplayable. As long as CFD exists, Machines are unplayable. But Cyber Dragon, the part that CFD needs beyond a shadow of a doubt, is BANNED. Meaning that Machines have nothing to fear from CFD. But Proto-Cyber, as you said, is not banned. And against Machines, Proto-Cyber is a Raigeki that also summons a massive beatstick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotfoilcard Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 guys these fintuple quotes look really great...its so easy to read and you guys have such really gr8 points about me being mentally handicapped.... its sextuple quote FTL scroll down FTW you guys really (i mean really) need to stop quoting each other...it makes the thread look like currappp oh and i didnt realize choaspudding was the guy who gave me my first positive rep.....here it is... Chaos Pudding (35) - Last updated 03-06-2008, 08:07 PM Positive: Half of what you type is totally incomprehensable. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? Cunning was not affected by this ruling; as I said' date=' it was ruled long ago that Cunning cannot be activated when your graveyard contains no "Six Samurai" monsters, but you can re-summon the tributed monster.[/quote'] Stop ****ing restating what I already said. Nah, it was really a combination of what you already said and what I had said in my last post that hotfoilcard ignored because he didn't bother to read it. Fine. And why are Trap Dustshoot and Chimeratech Fortress Dragon banned on Atem's latest list? Trap Dustshoot is banned for basically the same reason as The Forceful Sentry, AND because it punishes players for playing well and maintaining hand advantage. CFD should be obvious. But Cyber Dragon is ALSO banned. Why ban CFD also? For the off chance that someone runs a Proto-Cyber deck? Nobleman of Crossout. As long as NoC exists, flips are unplayable. As long as CFD exists, Machines are unplayable. But Cyber Dragon, the part that CFD needs beyond a shadow of a doubt, is BANNED. Meaning that Machines have nothing to fear from CFD. But Proto-Cyber, as you said, is not banned. And against Machines, Proto-Cyber is a Raigeki that also summons a massive beatstick. Therefor, CFD is punishment to bad players who thing that Proto-Cyber is worth playing in a Machine deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? Cunning was not affected by this ruling; as I said' date=' it was ruled long ago that Cunning cannot be activated when your graveyard contains no "Six Samurai" monsters, but you can re-summon the tributed monster.[/quote'] Stop ****ing restating what I already said. Nah, it was really a combination of what you already said and what I had said in my last post that hotfoilcard ignored because he didn't bother to read it. Fine. And why are Trap Dustshoot and Chimeratech Fortress Dragon banned on Atem's latest list? Trap Dustshoot is banned for basically the same reason as The Forceful Sentry, AND because it punishes players for playing well and maintaining hand advantage. CFD should be obvious. But Cyber Dragon is ALSO banned. Why ban CFD also? For the off chance that someone runs a Proto-Cyber deck? Nobleman of Crossout. As long as NoC exists, flips are unplayable. As long as CFD exists, Machines are unplayable. But Cyber Dragon, the part that CFD needs beyond a shadow of a doubt, is BANNED. Meaning that Machines have nothing to fear from CFD. But Proto-Cyber, as you said, is not banned. And against Machines, Proto-Cyber is a Raigeki that also summons a massive beatstick. Therefor, CFD is punishment to bad players who thing that Proto-Cyber is worth playing in a Machine deck. Not IN a Machine deck; AGAINST a Machine deck. Note also that sending the monsters to the graveyard is a Summon Condition - essentially the same as a cost - and therefore even negating the summon of CFD (such as by Royal Oppression - remember that Gadgets are Machines) would still result in a Raigeki effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 numerous people at regionals today were saying that cunning got affected by this ruling...i guess the idea is that you cant retrieve the same sammy you tossed for cunning by cunning... can anybody else verify this? Cunning was not affected by this ruling; as I said' date=' it was ruled long ago that Cunning cannot be activated when your graveyard contains no "Six Samurai" monsters, but you can re-summon the tributed monster.[/quote'] Stop ****ing restating what I already said. Nah, it was really a combination of what you already said and what I had said in my last post that hotfoilcard ignored because he didn't bother to read it. Fine. And why are Trap Dustshoot and Chimeratech Fortress Dragon banned on Atem's latest list? Trap Dustshoot is banned for basically the same reason as The Forceful Sentry, AND because it punishes players for playing well and maintaining hand advantage. CFD should be obvious. But Cyber Dragon is ALSO banned. Why ban CFD also? For the off chance that someone runs a Proto-Cyber deck? Nobleman of Crossout. As long as NoC exists, flips are unplayable. As long as CFD exists, Machines are unplayable. But Cyber Dragon, the part that CFD needs beyond a shadow of a doubt, is BANNED. Meaning that Machines have nothing to fear from CFD. But Proto-Cyber, as you said, is not banned. And against Machines, Proto-Cyber is a Raigeki that also summons a massive beatstick. Therefor, CFD is punishment to bad players who thing that Proto-Cyber is worth playing in a Machine deck. Not IN a Machine deck; AGAINST a Machine deck. Note also that sending the monsters to the graveyard is a Summon Condition - essentially the same as a cost - and therefore even negating the summon of CFD (such as by Royal Oppression - remember that Gadgets are Machines) would still result in a Raigeki effect. Oh, I see now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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