THIS list is really better than all other lists.

[CrabHelmet]

Essentially, it's an improved version of Atem's list that Soul and I have spent the last two weeks constructing.

 

 

I. Forbidden Cards

 

You cannot use these cards in your Deck or Side Deck:

 

ACCUMULATED FORTUNE

ALL-OUT ATTACKS

ARCANA FORCE XXI - THE WORLD

BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING

BRAIN CONTROL

BUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMA

CALL OF THE HAUNTED

CARD OF SAFE RETURN

CHAIN MATERIAL

CHANGE OF HEART

CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END

CHAOS GREED

CHIMERATECH FORTRESS DRAGON (Chimeratech Fortress Dragon)

CHIMERATECH OVERDRAGON

CONFISCATION

CRUSH CARD VIRUS

CUP OF ACE

CYBER DRAGON

CYBER END DRAGON

CYBER JAR

CYBER-STEIN

CYBER TWIN DRAGON

DAIROKKAN (Sixth Sense)

DARK ARMED DRAGON

DARK HOLE

DARKLORD ZERATO

DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS

DECK DEVASTATION VIRUS

DELINQUENT DUO

DESTINY HERO - DISK COMMANDER

DIMENSION FUSION

EPIDEMIC ERADICATION VIRUS

EXCHANGE OF THE SPIRIT

FIBER JAR

GAMBLER OF LEGEND

GLADIATOR BEAST HERAKLINOS

GOLD SARCOPHAGUS

GRACEFUL CHARITY

HARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTER

IMPERIAL ORDER

JUDGMENT DRAGON

LAST TURN

LAST WILL

LAVA GOLEM

LIFE EQUALIZER

LIMITER REMOVAL

MAGICAL EXPLOSION

MAGICAL SCIENTIST

MAKYURA THE DESTRUCTOR

MEGAMORPH

MEIFU NO SHISHA GOES (Gorz the Emissary of Darkness)

MIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE

MONSTER REBORN

MORPHING JAR

NOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUT

NEO-SPACIAN GRAND MOLE

PAINFUL CHOICE

POT OF GREED

PREMATURE BURIAL

RAIGEKI

RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION

REVERSAL QUIZ

RING OF DESTRUCTION

SAND GAMBLER

SANGAN

SINISTER SERPENT

SKY SCOURGE NORLERAS

SNATCH STEAL

SNIPE HUNTER

THE FORCEFUL SENTRY

THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT

TIME SEAL

TIME WIZARD

TREEBORN FROG

TSUKUYOMI

ULTIMATE OFFERING

UNITED WE STAND

VICTORY DRAGON

VOLCANIC QUEEN

WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST

YATA-GARASU

 

NEW! - Accumulated Fortune, All-Out Attacks, Arcana Force XXI - The World, Brain Control, Card of Safe Return, Chain Material, Chaos Greed, Chimeratech Fortress Dragon (Chimeratech Fortress Dragon), Chimeratech Overdragon, Crush Card Virus, Cyber Dragon, Cyber End Dragon, Cyber Twin Dragon, Dairokkan (Sixth Sense), Dark Armed Dragon, Darklord Zerato, Dark Magician of Chaos, Deck Devastation Virus, Destiny Hero - Disk Commander, Epidemic Eradication Virus, Gambler of Legend, Gladiator Beast Heraklinos, Gold Sarcophagus, Judgment Dragon, Lava Golem, Life Equalizer, Limiter Removal, Magical Explosion, Megamorph, Meifu no Shisha Goes (Gorz the Emissary of Darkness), Monster Reborn, Morphing Jar, Neo-Spacian Grand Mole, Nobleman of Crossout, Premature Burial, Return from the Different Dimension, Reversal Quiz, Sand Gambler, Sangan, Sky Scourge Norleras, Snipe Hunter, Time Wizard, Ultimate Offering, United We Stand, Volcanic Queen

 

 

II. Limited Cards

 

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

 

ALLURE OF DARKNESS

CAIUS THE SHADOW MONARCH

CARD TROOPER

CEASEFIRE

CHAIN STRIKE

D.D. SURVIVOR

DANDELION (Dandylion)

ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS

GLADIATOR BEAST GYZARUS

GREEN BABOON, DEFENDER OF THE FOREST

HEAVY STORM

MAGICIAN OF FAITH

MIRROR FORCE

MONSTER GATE

NECROFACE

NIGHT ASSAILANT

PHANTOM OF CHAOS

REASONING

RESCUE CAT

SOLEMN JUDGMENT

SUMMON PRIEST

TRADE-IN

TRAP DUSTSHOOT

TWIN-HEADED BEHEMOTH

TWIN SWORDS OF FLASHING LIGHT - TRYCE

 

NEW! - Allure of Darkness, Caius the Shadow Monarch, D.D. Survivor, Gladiator Beast Gyzarus, Magician of Faith, Monster Gate, Necroface, Phantom of Chaos, Reasoning, Rescue Cat, Solemn Judgment, Summon Priest, Trade-In, Twin Swords of Flashing Light - Tryce

 

 

NEW! - The following cards are no longer Limited: Advanced Ritual Art, Book of Moon, Breaker the Magical Warrior, Card Destruction, Chaos Sorcerer, D.D. Warrior Lady, Destiny Hero - Malicious, Exodia the Forbidden One, Fissure, Foolish Burial, Future Fusion, Giant Trunade, Gravity Bind, Left Arm of the Forbidden One, Left Leg of the Forbidden One, Level Limit - Area B, Light and Darkness Dragon, Mage Power, Magic Cylinder, Magical Stone Excavation, Manticore of Darkness, Marshmallon, Mask of Darkness, Metamorphosis, Mind Crush, Mystical Space Typhoon, Ojama Trio, Overload Fusion, Raiza the Storm Monarch, Reinforcement of the Army, Right Arm of the Forbidden One, Right Leg of the Forbidden One, Royal Decree, Scapegoat, Smashing Ground, Spirit Reaper, Swords of Revealing Light, The Transmigration Prophecy, Torrential Tribute, Tribe-Infecting Virus, Wall of Revealing Light

 

 

In case you couldn't tell about Gyzarus, by the nature of Gyzarus's effect you'll want to - and will - summon him more than once. Limiting him forces players to be more cautious in using him, since if he's destroyed, he can't be re-used. The rest should be self-explanatory to anyone who doesn't completely suck at this game.

 

Protip: This topic is a cunning trap for bad players who think they're good at this game.

 

Basically, short of new game-breaking information from Crossroads of Chaos, this list is perfect. In case you're somehow not familiar with Soul, he was the inventor of Oppression Gadgets, and a major pioneer in Big City. Currently, he and I are collaborating on a new deck that will ridiculously abuse Great Moth and Perfectly Ultimate Great Moth - not to summon, but as Level 8 Nomi Insects for the latest Turbo OTK build. I'll be posting that when it's finished.

 

So, start discussing the list, and we'll see who's good at this game and who sucks at it.

[Dryad]

The only one I question is the:

"Arcana Force XXI - The World"

 

Otherwise well done C.H., well done. :)

[CrabHelmet]

The only one I question is the:

"Arcana Force XXI - The World"

 

Are you kidding me? He's essentially Yata-but-better. Seriously, use your head.

 

Also, one minor correction was made.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Why does Exodia keep flip-flopping from being Banned to being Unlimited? Can't make up your mind or something?

[CrabHelmet]

Why does Exodia keep flip-flopping from being Banned to being Unlimited? Can't make up your mind or something?

 

Exodia has always been a borderline 3-or-0 card. With Trade-In and Allure both at 1, it's safe at 3.

 

If we get much more stuff like Dark Eruption, though, it's banned for good.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Why does Exodia keep flip-flopping from being Banned to being Unlimited? Can't make up your mind or something?

 

Exodia has always been a borderline 3-or-0 card. With Trade-In and Allure both at 1' date=' it's safe at 3.

 

If we get much more stuff like Dark Eruption, though, it's banned for good.

[/quote']

 

This list is still under the mantra of eliminating luck as much as possible, right?

[Dryad]

Hey C.H. heres a reason you should consider exodia being (or very much possibly broken):

Neo Spacians + Exoida, the Spacians cycle threw your deck with all new sorts of goodies they got

[CrabHelmet]

Why does Exodia keep flip-flopping from being Banned to being Unlimited? Can't make up your mind or something?

 

Exodia has always been a borderline 3-or-0 card. With Trade-In and Allure both at 1' date=' it's safe at 3.

 

If we get much more stuff like Dark Eruption, though, it's banned for good.

[/quote']

 

This list is still under the mantra of eliminating luck as much as possible, right?

 

Cup of Ace and Time Wizard should prove that.

 

Sure, there's the risk of all-5-Exodia-pieces-in-opening-hand, but 5-card OTKs will always exist - there's no practical way around this - so Exodia should not be banned until things that support it in particular, like Dark Eruption, make it overpowered.

 

Hey C.H. heres a reason you should consider exodia being (or very much possibly broken):

Neo Spacians + Exoida' date=' the Spacians cycle threw your deck with all new sorts of goodies they got

[/quote']

 

Spacian Gift is like Six Samurai United, except worse.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Why does Exodia keep flip-flopping from being Banned to being Unlimited? Can't make up your mind or something?

 

Exodia has always been a borderline 3-or-0 card. With Trade-In and Allure both at 1' date=' it's safe at 3.

 

If we get much more stuff like Dark Eruption, though, it's banned for good.

[/quote']

 

This list is still under the mantra of eliminating luck as much as possible, right?

 

Cup of Ace and Time Wizard should prove that.

 

Sure, there's the risk of all-5-Exodia-pieces-in-opening-hand, but 5-card OTKs will always exist - there's no practical way around this - so Exodia should not be banned until things that support it in particular, like Dark Eruption, make it overpowered.

 

I still think that the Exodia Open Hand is enough to ban Exodia, but I digress. Time to post on Pojo and lol.

[Dryad]

Hey C.H. heres a reason you should consider exodia being (or very much possibly broken):

Neo Spacians + Exoida' date=' the Spacians cycle threw your deck with all new sorts of goodies they got

[/quote']

 

Spacian Gift is like Six Samurai United, except worse.

 

Not really, with Cross Porter + Space Gift you can cycle threw your deck quickly like consider the fact that you can draw 12-15 cards in 1 turn and with several Cross Porters that send themselves to the grave you can thin your deck quickly.

[CrabHelmet]

Why does Exodia keep flip-flopping from being Banned to being Unlimited? Can't make up your mind or something?

 

Exodia has always been a borderline 3-or-0 card. With Trade-In and Allure both at 1' date=' it's safe at 3.

 

If we get much more stuff like Dark Eruption, though, it's banned for good.

[/quote']

 

This list is still under the mantra of eliminating luck as much as possible, right?

 

Cup of Ace and Time Wizard should prove that.

 

Sure, there's the risk of all-5-Exodia-pieces-in-opening-hand, but 5-card OTKs will always exist - there's no practical way around this - so Exodia should not be banned until things that support it in particular, like Dark Eruption, make it overpowered.

 

I still think that the Exodia Open Hand is enough to ban Exodia, but I digress. Time to post on Pojo and lol.

 

Exodia Open Hand isn't any more dangerous than Saturn-OTK-Opening-Hand, which isn't any more dangerous than Gear-Golem-OTK-Opening-Hand, which isn't any more dangerous than Six-Samurai-Godhand, which isn't any more dangerous than any other 4-card or 5-card combo. Launching a crusade to eliminate every potential OTK that requires 5 or fewer cards would hurt the game more than it would help it due to the necessary removal of cards that have more skilled use; therefore, only the most dangerous, especially three-card combos like Chain Material and All-Out Attacks, are persecuted.

 

Why does Exodia keep flip-flopping from being Banned to being Unlimited? Can't make up your mind or something?

 

Exodia has always been a borderline 3-or-0 card. With Trade-In and Allure both at 1' date=' it's safe at 3.

 

If we get much more stuff like Dark Eruption, though, it's banned for good.

[/quote']

 

This list is still under the mantra of eliminating luck as much as possible, right?

 

Cup of Ace and Time Wizard should prove that.

 

Sure, there's the risk of all-5-Exodia-pieces-in-opening-hand, but 5-card OTKs will always exist - there's no practical way around this - so Exodia should not be banned until things that support it in particular, like Dark Eruption, make it overpowered.

 

Hey C.H. heres a reason you should consider exodia being (or very much possibly broken):

Neo Spacians + Exoida' date=' the Spacians cycle threw your deck with all new sorts of goodies they got

[/quote']

 

Spacian Gift is like Six Samurai United, except worse.

 

Not really, with Cross Porter + Space Gift you can cycle threw your deck quickly like consider the fact that you can draw 12-15 cards in 1 turn and with several Cross Porters that send themselves to the grave you can thin your deck quickly.

 

So, we're at Cross Porter + Way to Special Summon Cross Porter + Neo-Spacians + 3 Spacian Gift.

 

Drawing Exodia is easier than pulling off that combo - and again, godhands always exist, with or without Exodia's existence.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Just to be sure, what are the reasonings behind banning Chaos Greed, Heraklinos, Grand Mole, and Epidemic Eradication Virus? I can argue anything else well enough, but I'm not sure about these ones.

[CrabHelmet]

Just to be sure' date=' what are the reasonings behind banning Chaos Greed, Heraklinos, Grand Mole, and Epidemic Eradication Virus? I can argue anything else well enough, but I'm not sure about these ones.

[/quote']

 

Grand Mole is immune to most forms of removal, such as Smashing Ground, which means that everyone is forced to waste a Mirror Force / Torrential Tribute / Solemn Judgment on it (and therefore is forced to run MF/TT/SJ in the first place). The effect generates de facto advantage when used against Nomi monsters with expensive/difficult conditions or high-level monsters that need tributes to summon - and such monsters are weak enough without receiving further punishment. Furthermore, continuous field clearing promotes OTKs.

 

Chaos Greed is a particularly obnoxious card that makes a Godhand extremely easy, especially in this format.

 

EEV's cost is not as hard to fulfill as one might think, and for a relatively minor investment, you essentially declare victory.

 

Heraklinos is disproportionately easy to summon and makes lockdowns far too easy, especially when Chariot is taken into consideration.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Forbidden List:

 

- Chain Material

- Magical Scientist

 

+ Catapult Turtle

 

Ban one card to save two, etc.

 

Edit: Unless I'm missing another OTK.

 

Also, Trade-In and Allure... why? Isn't limiting cards just to let other cards shine... bad?

[hotfoilcard]

Essentially' date=' it's an improved version of Atem's list that Soul and I have spent the last two weeks constructing.

 

 

I. Forbidden Cards

 

You cannot use these cards in your Deck or Side Deck:

 

ACCUMULATED FORTUNE

ALL-OUT ATTACKS why? has done nothing to impact the meta yet...so it annoying...IMO the loop is kind of inconsistent and dangerous...plus i have a deck with this so from unlimited to banned...uh uh

ARCANA FORCE XXI - THE WORLD again yet to make an impact...this one if fun and inconsistent...another 3 to banned...i dont see it

BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING

BUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMA

CALL OF THE HAUNTED

CARD OF SAFE RETURN a nice card in general...i think it would be crippled at 1 no need to ban it

CHAIN MATERIAL

CHANGE OF HEART

CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END

CHAOS GREED

CHAOS SORCERER

CHIMERATECH FORTRESS DRAGON (Chimeratech Fortress Dragon)

CHIMERATECH OVERDRAGON

CONFISCATION

CRUSH CARD VIRUS i agree

CUP OF ACE balanced IMO

CYBER DRAGON not really hurting anybody at two IMO

CYBER END DRAGON

CYBER JAR

CYBER-STEIN

CYBER TWIN DRAGON

DAIROKKAN (Sixth Sense)

DARK ARMED DRAGON ok

DARK HOLE

DARKLORD ZERATO

DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS again ok and ok

DECK DEVASTATION VIRUS not necessary and nice anti GB card IMO

DELINQUENT DUO

DESTINY HERO - DISK COMMANDER

DIMENSION FUSION

EPIDEMIC ERADICATION VIRUS nice counter to all the crazy long turns that use like 5 draw spells in one turn...is this at 3 now? icr...i suppose it could go to 1

EXCHANGE OF THE SPIRIT

FIBER JAR

GLADIATOR BEAST HERAKLINOS totally overreacting...i would ban prisma before this. again unlimited to banned? i dont think so...limit to 1 if u want...

GOLD SARCOPHAGUS

GRACEFUL CHARITY

HARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTER

IMPERIAL ORDER

JUDGMENT DRAGON

LAST TURN

LAST WILL

LIFE EQUALIZER

LIMITER REMOVAL unneccessary unless you can show some super broken decklist...

MAGICAL EXPLOSION

MAGICAL SCIENTIST

MAKYURA THE DESTRUCTOR

MEGAMORPH

MEIFU NO SHISHA GOES (Gorz the Emissary of Darkness)

MIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE

MONSTER REBORN

MORPHING JAR

NOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUT fine at 1

NEO-SPACIAN GRAND MOLE fine at 1 its balanced at 1 as it slows down the controller

PAINFUL CHOICE

POT OF GREED

PREMATURE BURIAL

RAIGEKI

RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION

REVERSAL QUIZ

RING OF DESTRUCTION

SANGAN

SINISTER SERPENT

SKY SCOURGE NORLERAS currently not making much noise at 3, difficult to summon properly, 3 card combo necessary to abuse (foolish or AK, PoC, and norelas)

SNATCH STEAL

SNIPE HUNTER

THE FORCEFUL SENTRY

THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT

TIME SEAL

TIME WIZARD

TRAP DUSTSHOOT fine at 1 IMO

TREEBORN FROG ok

TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS

TSUKUYOMI

ULTIMATE OFFERING

UNITED WE STAND

VICTORY DRAGON

WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST

YATA-GARASU

 

 

 

 

II. Limited Cards

 

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

 

ALLURE OF DARKNESS

BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR

CARD TROOPER

CEASEFIRE

CHAIN STRIKE

D.D. SURVIVOR this card and whole deck type is super fun...i would hate to see this at anything less than 2

DANDELION (Dandylion)

ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS

GLADIATOR BEAST GYZARUS

GREEN BABOON, DEFENDER OF THE FOREST

MAGICIAN OF FAITH

NECROFACE

NIGHT ASSAILANT

PHANTOM OF CHAOS

REASONING im sick of reasoning good call

SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT

TRADE-IN i say nay for completely selfish reasons

TWIN-HEADED BEHEMOTH

TWIN SWORDS OF FLASHING LIGHT - TRYCE

 

 

 

NEW! - The following cards are no longer Limited: Advanced Ritual Art (yes plz), Book of Moon, Brain Control, Card Destruction (wow), D.D. Warrior Lady, Destiny Hero - Malicious, Exodia the Forbidden One, Fissure, Foolish Burial, Future Fusion, Giant Trunade, Gravity Bind, Heavy Storm, Left Arm of the Forbidden One, Left Leg of the Forbidden One, Level Limit - Area B, Light and Darkness Dragon, Mage Power, Magic Cylinder, Magical Stone Excavation, Manticore of Darkness, Marshmallon, Mask of Darkness, Metamorphosis, Mind Crush, Mirror Force, Mystical Space Typhoon, Ojama Trio, Overload Fusion, Raiza the Storm Monarch, Reinforcement of the Army, Right Arm of the Forbidden One, Right Leg of the Forbidden One, Royal Decree, Scapegoat, Smashing Ground, Spirit Reaper, The Transmigration Prophecy, Torrential Tribute, Wall of Revealing Light

 

this last section is completely bonkers...

 

ARA - yes plz may i have another i luv u ara

UNLIMITED BRAIN - i just barfed...horrible idea

UNLIMITED HEAVY - i just became an emo...another horrible idea

TRIP EXODIA peices - kind of interesting to think about but lets put our toe in and test the water at 2 each if you wanna go this route...

LLAB, CYLINDER, MF, MST, ROTA, SMASHING, OJAMA TRIO, ROYAL DECREE - im okay with unlimiting

MARSHMALLON, GOATS, REAPER - hugh? is somebody like fiending for a stall/burn SJC winner? not sure how i feel about it but the gut says nay.

TRANSMI and TORRENTIAL at 3 i say nay

 

Protip: This topic is a cunning trap for bad players who think they're good at this game.

 

alternative interpretation: this ban list is from outer space with some notable exceptions which i either didnt say anything about or agreed with

 

[Azuh]

What about the fool?

[CrabHelmet]

PikaPerson: Magical Scientist on his own is essentially "Pay 1000 LP. Destroy all of your opponent's monsters and deal with anything you come across while generating as much Tribute Fodder as you want in the process", and Chain Material still has Electrum.

 

hotfoilcard: Most of what you say is too stupid to warrant an explanation, and I'm not going to dig through your post for any valid points you might have coincidentally made.

 

Azuh: This is 3 Spirit Reaper. This is 3 Marshmallon.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

Speaking of 3 Spirit Reapers and 3 Marshmallon, what happened between this list and Atem's last list that made them eligible for being Unlimited?

[Guest PikaPerson01]

*Re-reads Magical Scientist*

 

Other then Trib fodder (which can only be accomplished by SS-ing Magical Scientist), it doesn't really do anything you listed.

 

Also, what's the problem with Electrum?

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

*Re-reads Magical Scientist*

 

Other then Trib fodder (which can only be accomplished by SS-ing Magical Scientist)' date=' it doesn't really do anything you listed.

[/quote']

 

He's talking about the cards that it summons, love. That's always been the problem with Magical Scientist.

 

Unless you were being sarcastic. Then I feel stupid.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

No sarcasm.

 

What fusion level 6 and under (that won't be able to attack for that turn and must be returned during the end phase) is so lethal that it warrants Magical Scientist's being banned?

[hotfoilcard]

hotfoilcard: Most of what you say is too stupid to warrant an explanation' date=' and I'm not going to dig through your post for any valid points you might have coincidentally made.

[/quote']

 

ill make it short so you can understand it...

 

there are like 40 poor decisions in your list

[Guest PikaPerson01]

hotfoilcard: Most of what you say is too stupid to warrant an explanation' date=' and I'm not going to dig through your post for any valid points you might have coincidentally made.

[/quote']

 

ill make it short so you can understand it...

 

there are like 40 poor decisions in your list

 

This should be interesting. Name some. ^_^

 

Edit: Yay! 800th post! w00t!

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

No sarcasm.

 

What fusion level 6 and under (that won't be able to attack for that turn and must be returned during the end phase) is so lethal that it warrants Magical Scientist's being banned?

 

Dark Balter the Terrible

Ryu Senshi

Fiend Skull Dragon

 

That's the essence of Scientist Toolbox.

[hotfoilcard]

hotfoilcard: Most of what you say is too stupid to warrant an explanation' date=' and [b']I'm not going to dig through your post [/b]for any valid points you might have coincidentally made.

 

ill make it short so you can understand it...

 

there are like 40 poor decisions in your list

 

This should be interesting. Name some. ^_^

 

 

i did...remember the part where crabhelmet said he wouldnt "dig thru my post"? obv u didnt bother to either.

 

i refuse to repeat myself on 40 + comments...if you care what i think read my post