CrabHelmet Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Alright' date=' I also think that some other changes should be made. BLOWBACK DRAGON - LIMITEDLIMITER REMOVAL - LIMITEDD.D. SCOUT PLANE - LIMITEDDARK VALKYRIA - LIMITED (sure, get mad at me for it)MONSTER REBORN - LIMITED[/quote'] Monster Gate was a good idea, but there? D.D. Scout Plane is the only one with any merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 limitor removal provides easy otks, monster reborn is proving to be ban worthy at the moment. Blowback is support. Others can you give explaination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 I only suggested Blowback Dragon because it is a luck card. The Dark One had said that Monster Reborn could stay unbanned for a few lists. With DMoC banned, is there a problem with Monster Reborn at 1? Limiter Removal won't be very effective with Cyber Dragon, Cyber Twin Dragon, Cyber End Dragon, Chimeratech Fortress Dragon, and Chimeratech Overdragon being banned. Dark Valkyria shouldn't be limited. That was a bad choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 I only suggested Blowback Dragon because it is a luck card. So is Arcana Force 1 - THE MAGICIAN. The Dark One had said that Monster Reborn could stay unbanned for a few lists. Just because The Dark One suggested it doesn't mean that it's a wise idea. With DMoC banned' date=' is there a problem with Monster Reborn at 1?[/quote'] I dunno. Is there a problem with Graceful Charity at 1? Limiter Removal won't be very effective with Cyber Dragon' date=' Cyber Twin Dragon, Cyber End Dragon, Chimeratech Fortress Dragon, and Chimeratech Overdragon being banned.[/quote'] Because they're the only big Machines. Dark Valkyria shouldn't be limited. That was a bad choice. That was fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 monster reborn punish players for putting things in their graveyard and why unban monster reborn with prem and call banned surely limit those before monster reborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Limit Reborn before Prem due to Arms Hole. But since both should be banned, it's a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Graceful Charity is a +0, but it makes Dark World Decks broken. It should stay banned. Monster Reborn, however, should be limited because Destiny Hero - Disk Commander is banned, and Dark Magician of Chaos, so it's basically a +0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Graceful Charity is a +0' date=' but it makes Dark World Decks broken. It should stay banned. Monster Reborn, however, should be limited because Destiny Hero - Disk Commander is banned, and Dark Magician of Chaos, so it's basically a +0.[/quote'] Dark World isn't the reason Graceful needs to stay banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Graceful Charity is a +0' date=' but it makes Dark World Decks broken. It should stay banned. Monster Reborn, however, should be limited because Destiny Hero - Disk Commander is banned, and Dark Magician of Chaos, so it's basically a +0.[/quote'] Dark World isn't the reason Graceful needs to stay banned. Giant Trunade isn't the reason that Premature Burial needs to stay banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Graceful Charity is a +0' date=' but it makes Dark World Decks broken. It should stay banned. Monster Reborn, however, should be limited because Destiny Hero - Disk Commander is banned, and Dark Magician of Chaos, so it's basically a +0.[/quote'] Dark World isn't the reason Graceful needs to stay banned. Giant Trunade isn't the reason that Premature Burial needs to stay banned. I fail to see the relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Dark World is one of the themes that makes Graceful Charity broken. Giant Trunade is one of the cards that makes Premature Burial broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Trunade isn't even a factor in Prem's brokenness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Premature Burial is better than Monster Reborn. Call of the Haunted is better than Monster Reborn. There is no reason that Monster Reborn shouldn't be at 1. Sure, in the current meta, it's broken because DMoC and Destiny Hero - Disk Commander are limited, but in the meta that your list would create, Monster Reborn wouldn't be broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Call of the Haunted is better than Monster Reborn. No. Also, being inferior to a broken card =/= not being banworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Remix you do make an interesting point and i am starting to agree with you. I just dont like still having the factor of people having access to my graveyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Call of the Haunted is better than Monster Reborn because you can activate it during your opponent's turn. If one of your monsters, say, Destiny Hero - Disk Commander, is destroyed by battle during your opponent's turn, you can bring it back and use it for protection. Plus, you'd get to use its effect again. If your opponent makes you discard a card with something like Don Zaloog or Confiscation, Call of the Haunted would be better because you'd get that card back if it was a monster that could be Special Summoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 And Monster Reborn totally couldn't let you get monsters back, mirite? Monster Reborn being a Spell instead of a Trap is alone enough to make it superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Unforuntaly remix your argument isnt up to standard, in your first line you stat it could be used with disk commander which in this meta, you also mention confiscation which is banned and also don zaloog would not be used in a meta like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 In most situations, Monster Reborn is better. How would Monster Reborn damage the meta if it was at 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 In most situations' date=' Monster Reborn is better. How would Monster Reborn damage the meta if it was at 1?[/quote'] How would Pot of Greed damage the meta if it was at 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Unforuntaly remix your argument isnt up to standard' date=' in your first line you stat it could be used with disk commander which in this meta, you also mention confiscation which is banned and also don zaloog would not be used in a meta like this[/quote'] Confiscation and Call of the Haunted are banned in this meta. Crab Helmet, Pot of Greed is a +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dice Power Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Hello. I read most of the topic and I like the list very much. I get what hotfoilcard is saying as well, this list is and always will be an unofficial list since Konami uses bad logic when deciding the lists, but the fact remains that the list is full of good decisions that SHOULD be made, even if they never will be. Could you explain though why Levia-Dragon - Daedalus isn't limited? I know Konami has never been smart enough to either, but when making this ideal format you have made, why allow a different form of Judgment Dragon to exist when Umi is so easy to search from the deck. You can play Terraforming, Warrior of Atlantis, or Shuuen no Chi to easily search it from your deck, or you can use Spell Reproduction if you discard it by mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 The card you speak of is a 2 tribute monster with has very little support, judgment dragon and DAD can be special summoned easily and have lots of support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Unforuntaly remix your argument isnt up to standard' date=' in your first line you stat it could be used with disk commander which in this meta, you also mention confiscation which is banned and also don zaloog would not be used in a meta like this[/quote'] Confiscation and Call of the Haunted are banned in this meta. Crab Helmet, Pot of Greed is a +1. Most of the monsters that you'll be summoning with Reborn generate advantage. Hello. I read most of the topic and I like the list very much. I get what hotfoilcard is saying as well' date=' this list is and always will be an unofficial list since Konami uses bad logic when deciding the lists, but the fact remains that the list is full of good decisions that SHOULD be made, even if they never will be. Could you explain though why Levia-Dragon - Daedalus isn't limited? I know Konami has never been smart enough to either, but when making this ideal format you have made, why allow a different form of Judgment Dragon to exist when Umi is so easy to search from the deck. You can play Terraforming, Warrior of Atlantis, or Shuuen no Chi to easily search it from your deck, or you can use Spell Reproduction if you discard it by mistake.[/quote'] Daedalus himself isn't a huge problem at this point, but his evolved form, Neo-Daedalus, suffers the same problems that Norleras faces, and will almost certainly be banned next update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitize Me Cap'n! Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Any explanation about RoD yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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