ILR, Clear Vice Dragon: discuss

[.:pyramid:.]

if Clear Vice Dragon, was release to tgc and ocg what would you think of it. i'm currently using it in a deck based on it and its pwns.

Clear Vice Dragon

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

I love it, searchable through tomato and masked dragon.

[Kizzi]

I'd side it for my Tomato Toolbox.

[Azuh]

Tad overpowered

 

if released... this effect is going to be changed a lot

[tonisanoob]

broken much

[Dryad]

Funny Much?

(If reading it correctly on its ability)

 

Imagine this:

Clear Vice Dragon VS. Wicked Avatar

Infinite Attack VS. Infinite Attack

 

As I assume if the opponent's creature gets power beyond what it had originally its going to get bigger against the opponent's attack

[.:pyramid:.]

Funny Much?

(If reading it correctly on its ability)

 

Imagine this:

Clear Vice Dragon VS. Wicked Avatar

Infinite Attack VS. Infinite Attack

 

As I assume if the opponent's creature gets power beyond what it had originally its going to get bigger against the opponent's attack

 

no i believe the ruling for that one would be be that Wicked Avatar avatar would have attack 100 points higher than clear vice because its attack would double Wicked Avatar only when it attacked it.

[Wyhe]

Let me see...a 0-ATK DARK monster that gains twice the opponent's ATK when in battle with in-built immunity to destruction via card effects

It will be very overpowered.

[Umbra]

Funny Much?

(If reading it correctly on its ability)

 

Imagine this:

Clear Vice Dragon VS. Wicked Avatar

Infinite Attack VS. Infinite Attack

 

As I assume if the opponent's creature gets power beyond what it had originally its going to get bigger against the opponent's attack

 

Triggers an Infinite Loop.

 

Example:

 

Opponent controls Wicked Avatar (ATK: 100)

You control Clear Vice (ATK: 0)

 

You attack with Clear Vice (ATK: 100*2=200)

Wicked Avatar's ATK becomes 200+100=300

CVD's ATK: 300*2=600

TWA's ATK: 600+100=700

 

Damage calculation would be impossible, therefore, you can't attack "The Wicked Avatar" with "Clear Vice Dragon".

[NeoPaladin2008]

or vice-versa.

[Master Hyperion]

If this card would come in real life, it would banned. Seriously. Very overpowered.

 

Also, when face-up on the field, it's not treaten as an DARK monster? lolwut? What's the point of that?

[Wyhe]

If this card would come in real life' date=' it would banned. Seriously. Very overpowered.

 

Also, when face-up on the field, it's not treaten as an DARK monster? lolwut? What's the point of that?

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That way,it has no attribute while on the field.That is combined with Clear World,so as you will not be affected by Clear World's negative effect,which is based on attributes of monsters.

[.:pyramid:.]

Funny Much?

(If reading it correctly on its ability)

 

Imagine this:

Clear Vice Dragon VS. Wicked Avatar

Infinite Attack VS. Infinite Attack

 

As I assume if the opponent's creature gets power beyond what it had originally its going to get bigger against the opponent's attack

 

Triggers an Infinite Loop.

 

Example:

 

Opponent controls Wicked Avatar (ATK: 100)

You control Clear Vice (ATK: 0)

 

You attack with Clear Vice (ATK: 100*2=200)

Wicked Avatar's ATK becomes 200+100=300

CVD's ATK: 300*2=600

TWA's ATK: 600+100=700

 

Damage calculation would be impossible' date=' therefore, you can't attack "The Wicked Avatar" with "Clear Vice Dragon".

[/quote']

 

by your logic it would be a infinite atk V infinite atk +100. and by that logic you can work out damage.

 

You attack with Clear Vice (ATK: 100*2=200)

Wicked Avatar's ATK becomes 200+100=300

 

only happen once vice dragon effect while attacking so it would become 200 atk, and stay at that

[Exiro]

You're using it in DMU right?

 

There, it has even another effect that you can negate it's destruction by battle by discarding 1 card from your hand.

[Wyhe]

Funny Much?

(If reading it correctly on its ability)

 

Imagine this:

Clear Vice Dragon VS. Wicked Avatar

Infinite Attack VS. Infinite Attack

 

As I assume if the opponent's creature gets power beyond what it had originally its going to get bigger against the opponent's attack

 

Triggers an Infinite Loop.

 

Example:

 

Opponent controls Wicked Avatar (ATK: 100)

You control Clear Vice (ATK: 0)

 

You attack with Clear Vice (ATK: 100*2=200)

Wicked Avatar's ATK becomes 200+100=300

CVD's ATK: 300*2=600

TWA's ATK: 600+100=700

 

Damage calculation would be impossible' date=' therefore, you can't attack "The Wicked Avatar" with "Clear Vice Dragon".

[/quote']

 

by your logic it would be a infinite atk V infinite atk +100. and by that logic you can work out damage.

 

You attack with Clear Vice (ATK: 100*2=200)

Wicked Avatar's ATK becomes 200+100=300

 

only happen once vice dragon effect while attacking so it would become 200 atk, and stay at that

but infinite is already the limit,you can't exceed infinitiy.

[Kizzi]

Lol wow I can't believe I just saw how powerful it is >_

[Umbra]

Funny Much?

(If reading it correctly on its ability)

 

Imagine this:

Clear Vice Dragon VS. Wicked Avatar

Infinite Attack VS. Infinite Attack

 

As I assume if the opponent's creature gets power beyond what it had originally its going to get bigger against the opponent's attack

 

Triggers an Infinite Loop.

 

Example:

 

Opponent controls Wicked Avatar (ATK: 100)

You control Clear Vice (ATK: 0)

 

You attack with Clear Vice (ATK: 100*2=200)

Wicked Avatar's ATK becomes 200+100=300

CVD's ATK: 300*2=600

TWA's ATK: 600+100=700

 

Damage calculation would be impossible' date=' therefore, you can't attack "The Wicked Avatar" with "Clear Vice Dragon".

[/quote']

 

by your logic it would be a infinite atk V infinite atk +100. and by that logic you can work out damage.

 

You attack with Clear Vice (ATK: 100*2=200)

Wicked Avatar's ATK becomes 200+100=300

 

only happen once vice dragon effect while attacking so it would become 200 atk, and stay at that

 

But as Avatar's ATK is always 100 points higher, it changes. And therefore, Clear Vice's ATK changes, which makes Avatar change, and so on. This is all "while attacking".

[Chaos Impact™]

personally i think it's broken

[JesusofChaos™]

DO WANT

[The Dark One]

DO WANT

Exactly

 

And I think that both Clear Vise Dragon and Wicked Avatar's continuous effects can only be applied once. Don't continuous effects work on their own seperate chain or something odd like that?

[Orochi]

hahaha, not overpowered...

 

it has to waste hand to defend it from effects that destroys, but still vulnerable to effects that control or flips, still vulnerable to ATK modifiers (shrink already?) and the fact is not treated as DARK monster when it's on the field makes it not abusable with CCV, and you can't attack directl with it for a finishing move...

 

and if attacks, it's changed to defense, need more proofs that it's not broken?? it's just a one-hit monster...

[Orochi]

hahaha, not overpowered...

 

it has to waste hand to defend it from effects that destroys, but still vulnerable to effects that control or flips, still vulnerable to ATK modifiers (shrink already?) and the fact is not treated as DARK monster when it's on the field makes it not abusable with CCV, and you can't attack directl with it for a finishing move...

 

and if attacks, it's changed to defense, need more proofs that it's not broken?? it's just a one-hit monster...

[Exiro]

Funny Much?

(If reading it correctly on its ability)

 

Imagine this:

Clear Vice Dragon VS. Wicked Avatar

Infinite Attack VS. Infinite Attack

 

As I assume if the opponent's creature gets power beyond what it had originally its going to get bigger against the opponent's attack

 

Triggers an Infinite Loop.

 

Example:

 

Opponent controls Wicked Avatar (ATK: 100)

You control Clear Vice (ATK: 0)

 

You attack with Clear Vice (ATK: 100*2=200)

Wicked Avatar's ATK becomes 200+100=300

CVD's ATK: 300*2=600

TWA's ATK: 600+100=700

 

Damage calculation would be impossible' date=' therefore, you can't attack "The Wicked Avatar" with "Clear Vice Dragon".

[/quote']

 

by your logic it would be a infinite atk V infinite atk +100. and by that logic you can work out damage.

 

You attack with Clear Vice (ATK: 100*2=200)

Wicked Avatar's ATK becomes 200+100=300

 

only happen once vice dragon effect while attacking so it would become 200 atk, and stay at that

 

But as Avatar's ATK is always 100 points higher, it changes. And therefore, Clear Vice's ATK changes, which makes Avatar change, and so on. This is all "while attacking".

 

@ everyone in this quote:

An infinite loop would not occur, because Avatar is the only one whose attack changes every time.

Ex:

CVD = 0 ; Avatar = 100

CVD attacks Avatar and becomes 2 * 100 = 200.

Because Avatar's effect is continuous, his atk becomes 200 + 100 = 300.

CVD's effect is trigger and does not happen again, CVD loses the battle.

[Exiro]

Funny Much?

(If reading it correctly on its ability)

 

Imagine this:

Clear Vice Dragon VS. Wicked Avatar

Infinite Attack VS. Infinite Attack

 

As I assume if the opponent's creature gets power beyond what it had originally its going to get bigger against the opponent's attack

 

Triggers an Infinite Loop.

 

Example:

 

Opponent controls Wicked Avatar (ATK: 100)

You control Clear Vice (ATK: 0)

 

You attack with Clear Vice (ATK: 100*2=200)

Wicked Avatar's ATK becomes 200+100=300

CVD's ATK: 300*2=600

TWA's ATK: 600+100=700

 

Damage calculation would be impossible' date=' therefore, you can't attack "The Wicked Avatar" with "Clear Vice Dragon".

[/quote']

 

by your logic it would be a infinite atk V infinite atk +100. and by that logic you can work out damage.

 

You attack with Clear Vice (ATK: 100*2=200)

Wicked Avatar's ATK becomes 200+100=300

 

only happen once vice dragon effect while attacking so it would become 200 atk, and stay at that

 

But as Avatar's ATK is always 100 points higher, it changes. And therefore, Clear Vice's ATK changes, which makes Avatar change, and so on. This is all "while attacking".

 

@ everyone in this quote:

An infinite loop would not occur, because Avatar is the only one whose attack changes every time.

Ex:

CVD = 0 ; Avatar = 100

CVD attacks Avatar and becomes 2 * 100 = 200.

Because Avatar's effect is continuous, his atk becomes 200 + 100 = 300.

CVD's effect is trigger and does not happen again, CVD loses the battle.

[The Dark One]

hahaha' date=' not overpowered...

 

it has to waste hand to defend it from effects that destroys, but still vulnerable to effects that control or flips, still vulnerable to ATK modifiers (shrink already?) and the fact is not treated as DARK monster when it's on the field makes it not abusable with CCV, and you can't attack directl with it for a finishing move...

 

and if attacks, it's changed to defense, need more proofs that it's not broken?? it's just a one-hit monster...

[/quote']

 

Ok, listen carefully to the following statement:

 

1. This card can be searched out by Mystic Tomato.

 

Now consider the consequences of that statement. Also, pay attention to this:

 

2. This card, in addition to being searchable by either Mystic Tomato or Sangan, is also compatible with both Allure of Darkness and Trade-In.

 

Think about this for a moment. Yeah, assuming you're the one doing the attacking (you probably will be), this will most likely be a one-time use card. So is Exiled Force. So are a lot of monsters. It takes virtually no effort to use this monster. Why does it need to be reusable?

 

It can blow away Heraklinos with an additional 3000 dmg stacked on top.

 

It can just sit there. There are only a few cards that your opponent can use to get it off the field. Brain Control + a tribute monster. Book of Moon. Enemy Controller. None of the conventional destruction tools will work here. In most situations, if a card that requires little effort has to be sided against (different forms of removal), that's a clue that it's broken.