Pojo is currently discussing TER

[NeoPaladin2008]

TER needs to stay banhammer'd as much as yata, envoys + time seal.

[Chaos Impact™]

it should be unbanned, but keep metamorphases banned

[shadowferret]

I believe there's way too many combos you could do with this little wanker to unban him.

I mean, all you would need is a bloody Jinzo on the field, and you have an annoying combo.

--No attacking

--Not even any switching

--No traps to stop the attacks

 

It would take a lot of cards to also do so, but I'm sure someone could find an easy way to summon TER alongside Plasma, and since both Plasma and TER are Special Summons, it only takes a Spell Striker or something to summon the Jinzo, thus leaving you to your spells.

 

Of course, the downfall is that none of your other monsters can attack while he's there.

Easily remedied.

 

"OMG Instant Fusion!"

If they don't stop him there, it'd only get worse.

"Absorb! Sacrifice for Jinzo!"

Most likely, I've noticed unless you're using a swarm deck (which are fairly common these days, so thismay not matter), people usually have one monster--usually something with a good ATK--on the field, meaning your only defense is gone. If you don't remove the TER right then and there, you're screwed if one of the Three Jinzos you can use in a deck is in the hand.

And regardless, even if TER goes away later, you can always revive him any number of ways.

 

Even without Jinzo, TER is an annoyance. Attacking is a big part of the game, unless you focus on burning or Exodia or something like that.

However, I believe it's the combination of other monsters you can use that make him pretty dangerous.

Like Plasma/Jinzo/TER:

--no traps

--no effects

--no attacking

--all attack position monsters are royally screwed

 

Just my random thoughts on the wanker.

 

EDIT:

 

Metamorphosis: No. Just no. Too darn powerful.

[Tekken Ham]

@Exiro' date=' At 3 this card is gonna be almost as bad as JD and DaD.

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No, TER'll be nothing like JD or DAD. TER doesn't nuke the field. Just one monster, but not a single spell or trap. TER doesn't grant you to win the duel at once most of the time. TER is a lockdown card, not an OTK card.

 

So? Just because it doesn't kill anything on impact doesn't mean it isn't as bad as DaD or JD. It is a good lockdown card. DaD hits 3, JD is going to get the banhammer, if TER came back at 3 it would be bad. Even without Tsukyomi 3 TER would be almost as bad as DaD. They are easier to summon than DaD. DaD has somewhat strict summoning conditions. You can Instant Fusion>Limit Reverse>Switch Positions>Monster Reborn/Premmy/Limit Reverse and repeat to get it's effect again.

He's gonna be so easy to get out' date=' it's not even funny.

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So are JD and DAD. Yes, TER is even easier to summon with Instant Fusion, but doesn't win automatically and doesn't stay on the field. Yes, he will stay on the field if he is summoned by Limit Reborn, Angel Lift, Premature, MR, etc. later, but that makes it a 2-card combo to get him out for real. Just so you know, D-END is also summoned with a 2-card combo and didn't make a huge impact at the meta, while he is even harder to get rid of than tER.

D-END can't control the field. TER can. TER can be abused more than D-END. TER is CCV-able and Deck Devastation-able. With his easy as JD/DaD summoning conditions, how is that not gonna make a huge impact? He locks your opponent down, triggers Viruses, and eats monsters like Plasma.

 

And once he hit's the field' date=' he starts dominating.

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So do JD and DAD.

Your point?

 

He's a better version of Plasma' date=' easier to summon and a better effect.

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No, he isn't. Even though they share one effect, they're totally different cards. They have a different lockdown effect (and Plasma's lockdown effect is a lot better in this format) and the summoning requirement is just different. TER needs IF + Graveyard Revival while Plasma needs Scapegoat + himself. Scapegoat is limited but FoD/GG can also be used and having the 3rd monster almost goes automatically (Reborning a Disk Commander, for example).

 

Plasma's summoning is a 1-3 for 1. TER's summoning is easily a 2 for 2. TER has better payoff than Plasma. TER locks down battle. That stops GB's and Sams. GB is the biggest threat in this meta because of Gyzarus. Plasma shuts down effects. That doesn't stop DaD, JD or GB. DaD swings over Plasma, JD swings over Plasma, Herk swings over Plasma then swarms.

 

@Chaos Impact, You are stupid, get out of this thread now before you kill the small amount of YCM's credibility.

 

@shadow, You hit most of the nail on the head.

[Abstract [Atrocity]]

I don't think it should be banned the same time as metamorphosis. What can we do with it?

Instant Fusion + Monster Reborn, no fusions needed...

You could fuse, maybe a relinquished + a fusion sub, which would wind up in like what, a -2?

 

Aside from pulling it out, what can it do when on the field?

 

It can stall. It can attack. It's the only thing that can attack. No OTK's with a full field of monsters for me. Sure, it can take your opponent's monster, which still isn't that bad. Plasma can do it, he's unlimited. Nothing else can change positions. Not a big deal, flip monsters aren't top-tier this format (never were), and who cares if you lose a few LP?

This card isn't incredibly overpowered either... there are so many monster removal cards out there, this thing isn't a threat anymore.

 

Sure, it might become "slightly" broken if it, Instant Fusion, Limit Reverse, and Angel Lift were all at 3, but limiting those are other discussions in themselves, and I don't want to get off-topic.

 

My opinion, this card doesn't deserve banning anymore.

[Tekken Ham]

You guys are right, obv. it should be unbanned I mean it's not like you can instant fusion, steal a monster, sac restrict for Raiza/Caius/Mobius spin/RFP/kill the backrow and hit for 24+. >.>

[Abstract [Atrocity]]

And you act like there are no chainable cards that could ever prevent this from happening, :P

[Tekken Ham]

Well, the only commonly used main decked cards from DaD, LS, and GB that can stop this are:

Solemn, Bribe, and Torrential.

 

After Game 1:

Solemn, Bribe, Torrential, Rugs.

[Abstract [Atrocity]]

Solemn, Bribe, TT, PWWB, Raigeki Break, and even then Threatening Roar and Waboku could be chained.

 

Then next turn, couldn't the other player just do it back at the opponent?

[Tekken Ham]

Dude, you pretty much just agreed with me on keeping TER banned. If TER makes it that easy to swing at your opponent's Life Points, why should it be unbanned?

[b7hamma]

You guys are right' date=' obv. it should be unbanned I mean it's not like you can instant fusion, steal a monster, sac restrict for Raiza/Caius/Mobius spin/RFP/kill the backrow and hit for 24+. >.>

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It's not like you can play Brain Control...

[JesusofChaos™]

im guessing this is crab trying to troll us again

[Abstract [Atrocity]]

DAD and JD makes it easy to hit the opponent's LP... those aren't banned :P

Okay, TER might be a tad bit broken with instant fusion and a monarch. Who's to say they won't have more than a monster, or have a chainable S/T?

Also, book of moon, enemy controller, divine wrath

[Kizzi]

lol people want to limit fusions

[Orochi]

i've already discussed this on pojo, need to do it here too??

[Exiro]

@Exiro' date=' At 3 this card is gonna be almost as bad as JD and DaD.

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No, TER'll be nothing like JD or DAD. TER doesn't nuke the field. Just one monster, but not a single spell or trap. TER doesn't grant you to win the duel at once most of the time. TER is a lockdown card, not an OTK card.

 

So? Just because it doesn't kill anything on impact doesn't mean it isn't as bad as DaD or JD. It is a good lockdown card. DaD hits 3, JD is going to get the banhammer, if TER came back at 3 it would be bad. Even without Tsukyomi 3 TER would be almost as bad as DaD. They are easier to summon than DaD. DaD has somewhat strict summoning conditions.

 

To summon TER and keep it on the field, you need Instant Fusion + Graveyard Revival.

To summon DAD, you need DAD. You are just required to do a little setup which comes free with the drawing power.

To summon JD, you need JD. You are just required to do a little setup which comes free with the drawing/milling power.

So TER is NOT easier to summon. Unless you are not planning to keep it on the field and just use it as a tool in Monarch Control, but that won't make Monarchs top-tire again.

 

You can Instant Fusion>Limit Reverse>Switch Positions>Monster Reborn/Premmy/Limit Reverse and repeat to get it's effect again.

 

That's 3 cards to destroy 2 monsters and get one monster on the field, which could be a beatstick.

DAD is one card to destroy 3 cards and get one monster on the field, which is a beatstick for sure.

 

He's gonna be so easy to get out' date=' it's not even funny.

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So are JD and DAD. Yes, TER is even easier to summon with Instant Fusion, but doesn't win automatically and doesn't stay on the field. Yes, he will stay on the field if he is summoned by Limit Reborn, Angel Lift, Premature, MR, etc. later, but that makes it a 2-card combo to get him out for real. Just so you know, D-END is also summoned with a 2-card combo and didn't make a huge impact at the meta, while he is even harder to get rid of than tER.

D-END can't control the field. TER can. TER can be abused more than D-END. TER is CCV-able and Deck Devastation-able. With his easy as JD/DaD summoning conditions, how is that not gonna make a huge impact? He locks your opponent down, triggers Viruses, and eats monsters like Plasma.

 

1) He is not easier to summon than JD/DAD.

2) He has no protection and doesn't win the game instantly.

If a monster does not fulfill any of the above requirements, it will not make a huge impact.

 

And once he hit's the field' date=' he starts dominating.

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So do JD and DAD.

Your point?

 

That TER will not make a huge impact.

 

He's a better version of Plasma' date=' easier to summon and a better effect.

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No, he isn't. Even though they share one effect, they're totally different cards. They have a different lockdown effect (and Plasma's lockdown effect is a lot better in this format) and the summoning requirement is just different. TER needs IF + Graveyard Revival while Plasma needs Scapegoat + himself. Scapegoat is limited but FoD/GG can also be used and having the 3rd monster almost goes automatically (Reborning a Disk Commander, for example).

 

Plasma's summoning is a 1-3 for 1. TER's summoning is easily a 2 for 2.

 

Like I said, Scapegoat/Grinder Golem/Fires of Doomsday.

 

TER has better payoff than Plasma. TER locks down battle. That stops GB's and Sams. GB is the biggest threat in this meta because of Gyzarus.

 

That is exactly why Plasma's lockdown effect is better in this format.

Gyzarus kills TER instantly.

Gyzarus has a chance of killing Plasma, that depends on the monster absorbed by Plasma. Plasma needs to absorb something of 1000+ atk to be tied to Gyzarus (starting from Sangan).

 

Plasma shuts down effects. That doesn't stop DaD, JD or GB. DaD swings over Plasma, JD swings over Plasma, Herk swings over Plasma then swarms.

 

TER shuts down attacks. That doesn't stop DaD, JD or GB. DaD nukes Plasma, JD nukes Plasma, Herk is summoned after a successful Gyzarus, and Gyzarus nukes TER.

[The Dark One]

@Umbra' date=' So, because it can be destroyed it deserves to be unbanned?

 

So that means the banlist doesn't count by your logic.

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Agreed. Just because one card is more broken than another doesn' mean that the later card isn't broken. Thousand Eyes Restrict is nowhere near as damaging to the metagame as Dark Armed Dragon. It's still ridiculous. It turns Instant Fusion into a 1-1 removal, as was said, and then allows for a lock on the battle phase through the use of one of the numerous eligible recursion cards.

 

That being said, I do have a soft spot for TER for some odd reason. I kind of wish he was legal. Well, no I don't, I just wish Konami would have the sense to make a new, slightly nerfed version of him.

[Tekken Ham]

@Exiro, tl;dr, lulz.

 

@TDO, I have a huge soft spot for him, he was my first UR. But he deserves a ban, but i wish he didn't.

 

TER is liek Flame Swordsman but better when it comes to Instant Fusion, alot better.

[Exiro]

TDO, Cheeselord, you might like this.

 

[spoiler=Effect]

"Relinquished" + "Thousand-Eyes Idol"

This monster cannot be Special Summoned except by Fusion Summon. When this monster is Special Summoned, select one monster on your opponent's side of the field, and equip it to this card. The ATK and DEF of this card become the same amounts as the monster equipped to this card. If this card is destroyed as a result of battle, the equipped monster is destroyed instead. When this card is destroyed and sent to the graveyard during the Battle Phase, end the Battle Phase.

 

 

[Umbra]

I know very well that just because a card can be destroyed it doesn't deserve instant un-ban, thank you very much. Just look at Solemn. I'm just saying that with a bit of luck and a bit of strategy, (about a 1:9 rate) TER can be taken down. Evacuation Device. Grand Mole. (Who runs those cards anyway, but still) And I recall someone saying earlier that TER can absorb Plasma. Yeah, good luck on that with the effect negated.

[Tekken Ham]

Solemn can stop pretty much anything, Compulsory EVD sends it back to the Fusion Deck, and how does Mole stop TER? It can't battle, amirite?

 

And no one said that TER could absorb Plasma.

[Umbra]

Ok, cut Grand Mole from that.

 

And I even believe it was you.

 

D-END can't control the field. TER can. TER can be abused more than D-END. TER is CCV-able and Deck Devastation-able. With his easy as JD/DaD summoning conditions' date=' how is that not gonna make a huge impact? He locks your opponent down, triggers Viruses, and [b']eats monsters like Plasma[/b].

 

Assuming by "eat" you mean absorb. I don't see any other proper use for it.

[Tekken Ham]

Ouch, didn't see that.

[JesusofChaos™]

*grabs cup of tea and watches people make fools of themselves*

[The Dark One]

Ok' date=' cut Grand Mole from that.

 

And I even believe it was you.

 

D-END can't control the field. TER can. TER can be abused more than D-END. TER is CCV-able and Deck Devastation-able. With his easy as JD/DaD summoning conditions, how is that not gonna make a huge impact? He locks your opponent down, triggers Viruses, and eats monsters like Plasma.

 

Assuming by "eat" you mean absorb. I don't see any other proper use for it.

 

Eats monsters like Plasma. The like is comparing TER to Plasma, not Plasma to monsters. They both eat monsters.