Holy Spirit? What is it?

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Krasnaya Luna' date=' the Holy Spirit is some s*** the Bible made the f*** up.

 

 

And I agree with Static. Every broken enemy will know that their opponent had to be invincible.

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First of all, I am shocked that you could write my name in English Letters. Secondly, if that is what you believe that is fine. This is to discuss the Holy Spirit mythos. If you don't believe in it or hate the very idea then please don't post again. This is not a thread discussing if a God exists. It is discussing the mythology of a member of the Christian Holy Trinity.

there may be a god' date=' who really cares.

 

but over all

we [b']Did[/b] evolve, we have proof

 

there is No Proof that god created us, that jesus exist, and over all

 

religion is pointless.

 

have you ever seen an "Evolution Chart"? there are so many holes in it.

and in fact, there are many reports and documents other than the Bible that have recorded Jesus as a real person of the time.

 

 

but this is, in fact, the greatest gamble: If you say there is no hell, you may be right, but if your not then you must face it... that is a gamble with your soul.

 

question: would you ever sell an eye? for 1 mil dollars??

2 eyes for 20 mil?

 

I don't know where you got this. I believe in God and evolution. The first multi cellular organism was called the Mitochondrial Eve. Then after years of the tree branching out the Y-chromosomal Adam was born long after Eve's death. Then millions of years continue and humans evolve from the primate branch of the evolution tree. This doesn't mean we evolved from monkeys. It means that we, monkeys, and the other primates came from the same ancestor.

[Felix Culpa]

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Krasnaya Luna' date=' the Holy Spirit is some s*** the Bible made the f*** up.

 

 

And I agree with Static. Every broken enemy will know that their opponent had to be invincible.

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First of all, I am shocked that you could write my name in English Letters. Secondly, if that is what you believe that is fine. This is to discuss the Holy Spirit mythos. If you don't believe in it or hate the very idea then please don't post again. This is not a thread discussing if a God exists. It is discussing the mythology of a member of the Christian Holy Trinity.

there may be a god' date=' who really cares.

 

but over all

we [b']Did[/b] evolve, we have proof

 

there is No Proof that god created us, that jesus exist, and over all

 

religion is pointless.

 

have you ever seen an "Evolution Chart"? there are so many holes in it.

and in fact, there are many reports and documents other than the Bible that have recorded Jesus as a real person of the time.

 

 

but this is, in fact, the greatest gamble: If you say there is no hell, you may be right, but if your not then you must face it... that is a gamble with your soul.

 

question: would you ever sell an eye? for 1 mil dollars??

2 eyes for 20 mil?

 

I don't know where you got this. I believe in God and evolution. The first multi cellular organism was called the Mitochondrial Eve. Then after years of the tree branching out the Y-chromosomal Adam was born long after Eve's death. Then millions of years continue and humans evolve from the primate branch of the evolution tree. This doesn't mean we evolved from monkeys. It means that we, monkeys, and the other primates came from the same ancestor.

 

The fact that I understood what you said is scaring me. The fact that some part of me agrees with it scares me more. We didn't evolve from monkeys, we are monkeys.

[HORUS]

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Krasnaya Luna' date=' the Holy Spirit is some s*** the Bible made the f*** up.

 

 

And I agree with Static. Every broken enemy will know that their opponent had to be invincible.

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First of all, I am shocked that you could write my name in English Letters. Secondly, if that is what you believe that is fine. This is to discuss the Holy Spirit mythos. If you don't believe in it or hate the very idea then please don't post again. This is not a thread discussing if a God exists. It is discussing the mythology of a member of the Christian Holy Trinity.

 

 

I can read Russian characters, but I can't speak or read much Russian.

 

I was under the impression that, being that this thread is in the debate section, this is supposed to be a debate, not a discussion.

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First of all' date=' I am shocked that you could write my name in English Letters. Secondly, if that is what you believe that is fine. This is to discuss the Holy Spirit mythos. If you don't believe in it or hate the very idea then please don't post again. This is not a thread discussing if a God exists. It is discussing the mythology of a member of the Christian Holy Trinity.

 

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I can read Russian characters, but I can't speak or read much Russian.

 

I was under the impression that, being that this thread is in the debate section, this is supposed to be a debate, not a discussion.

 

A discussion and a debate are almost the same. They are both communicative ways of expressing ideas. I can read, write, and speak quite a bit of Russian, but I wouldn't consider myself fluent. Also my name means Scarlet Moon. This isn't a debate on if their is or isn't a God. It is a debate on the myth. You can debate on mythologies and religious ideas even if you do not hold the religion as your faith.

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The fact that I understood what you said is scaring me. The fact that some part of me agrees with it scares me more. We didn't evolve from monkeys' date=' we [i']are[/i] monkeys.

 

Humans are primates, yes. We are not monkeys. We evolved from the same creature that monkeys did. When the monkeys evolved from that species it started the monkey race. When humans evolved from that same species it stared the human race. Then, humans continued to evolve from past breeds of human to the modern day version.

[Cyber Altair]

All this 'Holy Spirit' s*** is false. You don't believe me? Well' date=' be retarded.

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People always have the right not to believe in you.

 

It's called an opinion, yah it's shiny and new to you.

[Tabris]

To paraphase Jefferson, deh Trinity's mere abracadabra on deh mountebanks callin' them serfs deh priests of Jesus.

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To paraphase Jefferson' date=' deh Trinity's mere abracadabra on deh mountebanks callin' them serfs deh priests of Jesus.

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If you can't form a proper English sentence than please make a proper on in Russian or Spanish so I can at least read it. If you can’t write in any of my fluent languages then don’t post. This doesn't even deserve to be treated as an intelligent part of the thread. You are free to repost it in ENGLISH, but otherwise, please don't.

[Tabris]

I can, and do.

 

Problem is, I don't.

 

I do presume you can understand what I typed, but I'll retype it for you:

 

To paraphrase Jefferson: the Trinity's mere abracadabra on the mountebanks callin' themselves the priests of Jesus.

 

That much, with minute alternatives.

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I can' date=' and do.

 

Problem is, I don't.

 

I do presume you can understand what I typed, but I'll retype it for you:

 

To paraphrase Jefferson: the Trinity's mere abracadabra on the mountebanks callin' themselves the priests of Jesus.

 

That much, with minute alternatives.

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Once again, this is not a debate over the truth of the holy trinity. It is a debate on the identity and myth that surrounds the Holy Spirit. This doesn't have anything to do with if there is or isn't a God.

[Darkness303]

for the people who talk about the bible if you are christian i study a different bible. i am jewish. i read from the torah, i pray every morning, and saw special blessings before and after i eat, i say the shma (a special jewish way to thank god for giving the jewish the land of israel) before i go to bed and alot of stuff like that. but the point is i am jewish and i create great spirit cards

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for the people who talk about the bible if you are christian i study a different bible. i am jewish. i read from the torah' date=' i pray every morning, and saw special blessings before and after i eat, i say the shma (a special jewish way to thank god for giving the jewish the land of israel) before i go to bed and alot of stuff like that. but the point is i am jewish and i create great spirit cards

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I don't know what this has to do with the discussion. Also, the Old Testament and the Torah have mostly the same books.

[Sunshine Jesse]

Doesn't the Torah only have the first 5 books? Not sure

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Doesn't the Torah only have the first 5 books? Not sure

 

No, the Torah has the Old Testament and certain extras. Also, for the record I am of the Russian Orthodox Church with certain differences in my personal beliefs of course, but that happens in all churches.

[zachdre]

good................

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good................

 

I'm sorry' date=' but what does that comment have to do with anything on this thread. If you don't make a [b']real[/b] statement then do not post. I'm getting so sick of non-debaters posting in the debates section.

[TheHuaHauh]

The Holy Spirit according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Part 1: The Profession of Faith, Section 2: The Profession of Christian Faith, Chapter 3: I Believe in The Holy Spirit

 

683 "No one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit." "God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, 'Abba! Father!"' This knowledge of faith is possible only in the Holy Spirit: to be in touch with Christ, we must first have been touched by the Holy Spirit. He comes to meet us and kindles faith in us. By virtue of our Baptism, the first sacrament of the faith, the Holy Spirit in the Church communicates to us, intimately and personally, the life that originates in the Father and is offered to us in the Son.

 

Baptism gives us the grace of new birth in God the Father, through his Son, in the Holy Spirit. For those who bear God's Spirit are led to the Word, that is, to the Son, and the Son presents them to the Father, and the Father confers incorruptibility on them. And it is impossible to see God's Son without the Spirit, and no one can approach the Father without the Son, for the knowledge of the Father is the Son, and the knowledge of God's Son is obtained through the Holy Spirit.

 

684 Through his grace, the Holy Spirit is the first to awaken faith in us and to communicate to us the new life, which is to "know the Father and the one whom he has sent, Jesus Christ." But the Spirit is the last of the persons of the Holy Trinity to be revealed. St. Gregory of Nazianzus, the Theologian, explains this progression in terms of the pedagogy of divine "condescension":

 

The Old Testament proclaimed the Father clearly, but the Son more obscurely. The New Testament revealed the Son and gave us a glimpse of the divinity of the Spirit. Now the Spirit dwells among us and grants us a clearer vision of himself. It was not prudent, when the divinity of the Father had not yet been confessed, to proclaim the Son openly and, when the divinity of the Son was not yet admitted, to add the Holy Spirit as an extra burden, to speak somewhat daringly.... By advancing and progressing "from glory to glory," the light of the Trinity will shine in ever more brilliant rays.

 

685 To believe in the Holy Spirit is to profess that the Holy Spirit is one of the persons of the Holy Trinity, consubstantial with the Father and the Son: "with the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified." For this reason, the divine mystery of the Holy Spirit was already treated in the context of Trinitarian "theology." Here, however, we have to do with the Holy Spirit only in the divine "economy."

 

686 The Holy Spirit is at work with the Father and the Son from the beginning to the completion of the plan for our salvation. But in these "end times," ushered in by the Son's redeeming Incarnation, the Spirit is revealed and given, recognized and welcomed as a person. Now can this divine plan, accomplished in Christ, the firstborn and head of the new creation, be embodied in mankind by the outpouring of the Spirit: as the Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting.

 

My Comment: Read it, Digest it. If there are Natural Laws, there must be a Natural Law Giver. The Holy Spirit could possibly be the Law's Silent Teacher. This is, of course, in metaphorical terms.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

I am the holy spirit.

 

Ok, kidding. It's just like a "belief that keeps you from becoming really bad because you believe in it".

 

Jeez, all religons just tell, "fighting is bad". But look at America.