Willieh Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 ^yup @ Willie - Why does it matter if people want to marry someone of the same sex? You can choose to stay away from them....its not like everyone would be walking around flaunting the fact that they were a gay married couple.... Because It's not meant to be; it's not natural.How is it not natural? If you say anything like God made it for man and woman' date=' than think about this did God not make the gay person the way they were? Than think about the fact that God made man in his own image.[/quote'] 1. I am an atheist. I dont believe in god. I believe that Religion was made to give people an excuse for unexplainable things; sorta like your point. And here's the thing. Yeah sure, maybe they were born to love a man, or maybe they were born to love a woman. But either way, a woman doesn't naturally have a penis, and a man doesn't naturally have a vagina. (soz if those two terms are innappropriate on the forum?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Acton^_^ @Willie: Well' date=' i'll agree to disagree.[/quote'] Natick pwns u nubs :P And Willie, what's natural should not affect what is allowed. It is natural for some to want to believe in a deity, so they can feel more comfortable. That doesn't mean they should be allowed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelioSpark Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 my parents lived in Natick for 4 years^_^ and also, I completely agree with static's statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supreme Gamesmaster Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I know I'm technically not allowed in this debate by age, but I exceed the IQ requirement by 24, so... I personally support homosexual marriage because people exist who don't. If a homosexual couple wishes to marry, despite the immense discrimination they will face, that would probably be an indication of the strength of their love. Also, marriage is strictly a legal term. If you're married, you get many rights that unmarried people lack. Disallowing homosexual marriage is disallowing rights for homosexuals, and though heterosexism is the new racism, disallowing rights based on sexual orientation is just as wrong as disallowing rights based on skin color. It's not like homosexuals want to be homosexual. They just are, and that's it. The arbitrary nature of homosexuality negates the case of those who believe that homosexual marriage is wrong. And here's the thing. Yeah sure' date=' maybe they were born to love a man, or maybe they were born to love a woman. But either way, a woman doesn't naturally have a penis, and a man doesn't naturally have a vagina.[/quote'] Even if homosexuals can't reproduce, they can still feel an intense caring and/or sexual desire towards each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I know I'm technically not allowed in this debate by age' date=' but I exceed the IQ requirement by 24, so...[/quote'] And you have my grant to post in any debate... anywhere, regardless of any age restriction. That should fly with... everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Even if homosexuals can't reproduce' date=' they can still feel an intense caring and/or sexual desire towards each other.[/quote'] The whole point of love is so that the human race will continue to reproduce. Thats the only reason love exists. Just like love exists between ducks or geese; you know that ducks only have one mating partner for their entire life? Love is only an emotion. And the only reason we have that emotion is so that we will have sexual intercourse; thus continuing the human race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelioSpark Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 ^I strongly disagree. Love is something much more personal nowadays. What you said may have been true a long time ago, but human knowlege and emotion has truly evolved to make "love" a much deeper personal connection that not only involves physical attraction, but deep understanding and caring as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Even if homosexuals can't reproduce' date=' they can still feel an intense caring and/or sexual desire towards each other.[/quote'] The whole point of love is so that the human race will continue to reproduce. Thats the only reason love exists. Just like love exists between ducks or geese; you know that ducks only have one mating partner for their entire life? Love is only an emotion. And the only reason we have that emotion is so that we will have sexual intercourse; thus continuing the human race. You have a Crappy Realisation of what Love actually is. A point of Life is to reproduce, but not thee point. You live your life the way you want to. Homosexual people live their life the way they want to. Homosexual people are tolerant of Hetro Sexuality, shame it isnt the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 What you guys fail to understand is this; the human race reproduces just as any other race would. Why is it that when people go through puberty (when most people actually start to get involved in some type of relationship at around 12-ish) your body makes it possible to reproduce by producing egg cells? Face it, every animal experiences love. They experience it so that they can reproduce. Caring or not; that is WHY we care, so we can reproduce. And homosexuality is NOT natural. If it were natural, then homosexuals would be just as vast as heterosexuals are. I have nothing against homosexuality; it's just that it's ignorant to say it's just as normal as heterosexuality when its so clearly NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 What you guys fail to understand is this; the human race reproduces just as any other race would. Why is it that when people go through puberty (when most people actually start to get involved in some type of relationship at around 12-ish) your body makes it possible to reproduce by producing egg cells? Face it' date=' every animal experiences love. They experience it so that they can reproduce. Caring or not; that is WHY we care, so we can reproduce. And homosexuality is NOT natural. If it were natural, then homosexuals would be just as vast as heterosexuals are. I have nothing against homosexuality; it's just that it's ignorant to say it's just as normal as heterosexuality when its so clearly NOT.[/quote'] Animals don't feel love. They feel instinctively driven to protect their young. Emotion has nothing to do with it. Humans aside, only cats have emotions, and only Dolphins get pleasure from sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 What you guys fail to understand is this; the human race reproduces just as any other race would. Why is it that when people go through puberty (when most people actually start to get involved in some type of relationship at around 12-ish) your body makes it possible to reproduce by producing egg cells? Face it' date=' every animal experiences love. They experience it so that they can reproduce. Caring or not; that is WHY we care, so we can reproduce. And homosexuality is NOT natural. If it were natural, then homosexuals would be just as vast as heterosexuals are. I have nothing against homosexuality; it's just that it's ignorant to say it's just as normal as heterosexuality when its so clearly NOT.[/quote'] Animals don't feel love. They feel instinctively driven to protect their young. Emotion has nothing to do with it. Humans aside, only cats have emotions, and only Dolphins get pleasure from sex. And that instinclely driven feeling to protect our young is emotion; and that instinctly driven need to care is also an emotion. The difference between humans and other animals is that we were blessed with logic and free will. Thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelioSpark Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Humans are more advanced than any other animal, it is not feasable to compare what we call love to the force of attraction that animals feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidel Castro Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Im agenst it. The way i look at it the people of the U.S are a herd of cattle. The gays/lesbos/bi's are the cattle that are infected with diseases. What do we do to cattle that are infected with disease? We destroy them so the disease dosen't spread. I beleive that gays/lesbians/bis should be removed from society by any means. Nothing good can come from them. Humans are like animals. Animals are ment to reproduce to keep the species alive. I don't think gay/lebians can keep their species alive. The only rights gays/lesbians should have is right this way, into the reformation camps to show them the error of their ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 What you guys fail to understand is this; the human race reproduces just as any other race would. Why is it that when people go through puberty (when most people actually start to get involved in some type of relationship at around 12-ish) your body makes it possible to reproduce by producing egg cells? Face it' date=' every animal experiences love. They experience it so that they can reproduce. Caring or not; that is WHY we care, so we can reproduce. And homosexuality is NOT natural. If it were natural, then homosexuals would be just as vast as heterosexuals are. I have nothing against homosexuality; it's just that it's ignorant to say it's just as normal as heterosexuality when its so clearly NOT.[/quote'] I know that it is not the Norm, but it exists, homosexuals feel love just as everyone else does, and that, is that. I personally only want to get married, eventually, for basically a big party and to show to others that my boyfriend, means the world to me. I myself, and my boyfriend, know at the end of it its just a piece of paper really, but its nice a nice thing to do, to declare love, and have a fancy party with a great selection of food ^_^ So why are people against others declaring their love? And its not marriage anyway, its a Civil partnership, it does not follow the same rules as Hetro marriage, so its basically just 2 gay people saying that they love each other and signing abit of paper, what really is the big deal against it?Im agenst it. The way i look at it the people of the U.S are a herd of cattle. The gays/lesbos/bi's are the cattle that are infected with diseases. What do we do to cattle that are infected with disease? We destroy them so the disease dosen't spread. I beleive that gays/lesbians/bis should be removed from society by any means. Nothing good can come from them. Humans are like animals. Animals are ment to reproduce to keep the species alive. I don't think gay/lebians can keep their species alive. The only rights gays/lesbians should have is right this way' date=' into the reformation camps to show them the error of their ways.[/quote'] Intolerant people like you need to die; a long painful death; seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelioSpark Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 @Asdfth12: if what you really believe that, than you must also believe that we have to get rid of everyone with a terminal disease, everyone with a disability, every gay person, and everyone who is "different". I don't think you realize how discrimitory and offensive those remarks might be to some members of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Humans are more advanced than any other animal' date=' it is not feasable to compare what we call love to the force of attraction that animals feel.[/quote'] The difference between humans and other animals is that we were blessed with logic and free will. Thats the exact same thing I meant when I said that. The only thing that separates us from animals is the fact that we have logic, reasoning, and free will. Otherwise, or emotionally, we are the same. The only reason we look at love between 1 human and another human is the fact that we do have logic and reasoning; and as a result we deify our race when compared to animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I don't think you realize how discrimitory and offensive those remarks might be to some members of this forum. there are homosexuals here. Indeed, the sites top poster, declared best card maker, one of the most nicest guys on here, and a Super Moderator, aka myself, am gay, however i know there are special people out there with no tolerance, so i take no offence to his comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelioSpark Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 @ willie - *sigh* no. you do not understand what I am saying. We are not the same emotionally, because other animals are not advanced enough to feel what us humans would call an emotion. they may feel something, but its not anything like what we feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I don't think you realize how discrimitory and offensive those remarks might be to some members of this forum. there are homosexuals here. Indeed' date=' the sites top poster, declared best card maker, one of the most nicest guys on here, and a Super Moderator, aka myself, am gay, however i know there are special people out there with no tolerance, so i take no offence to his comments.[/quote']It was still a surprise to find out you were Gay. I never thought any less of you. If anything you honesty improved my respect for you. Like I said at the beginning. I've learnt to except Homosexuality, nothing I say can change that. But I can't watch it, they can do what the want just not around me ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 @ willie - *sigh* no. you do not understand what I am saying. We are not the same emotionally' date=' because other animals are not advanced enough to feel what us humans would call an emotion. they may feel something, but its not anything like what we feel.[/quote'] What you dont understand is I am agreeing with you. But the only reason our emotions are different is because we consider ourselves, as a race, more advanced and powerful. Honestly, animals probably do have emotions. But the fact that we have logic and reasoning that we consider our emotions to be more advanced, or even better, its the reason our emotions ARE more advanced. But thats all. We assosiate love with protection and caring. But we aren't the only race that feels love, and we definately are NOT the only species that cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 @ willie - *sigh* no. you do not understand what I am saying. We are not the same emotionally' date=' because other animals are not advanced enough to feel what us humans would call an emotion. they may feel something, but its not anything like what we feel.[/quote'] What you dont understand is I am agreeing with you. But the only reason our emotions are different is because we consider ourselves, as a race, more advanced and powerful. Honestly, animals probably do have emotions. But the fact that we have logic and reasoning that we consider our emotions to be more advanced, or even better, its the reason our emotions ARE more advanced. But thats all. We assosiate love with protection and caring. But we aren't the only race that feels love, and we definately are NOT the only species that cares. How did 2 gay people signing a piece of paper lead to talk of animal emotions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 @ willie - *sigh* no. you do not understand what I am saying. We are not the same emotionally' date=' because other animals are not advanced enough to feel what us humans would call an emotion. they may feel something, but its not anything like what we feel.[/quote'] What you dont understand is I am agreeing with you. But the only reason our emotions are different is because we consider ourselves, as a race, more advanced and powerful. Honestly, animals probably do have emotions. But the fact that we have logic and reasoning that we consider our emotions to be more advanced, or even better, its the reason our emotions ARE more advanced. But thats all. We assosiate love with protection and caring. But we aren't the only race that feels love, and we definately are NOT the only species that cares. How did 2 gay people signing a piece of paper lead to talk of animal emotions? That's a really good question...:? I really dont know lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Static Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Im agenst it. The way i look at it the people of the U.S are a herd of cattle. The gays/lesbos/bi's are the cattle that are infected with diseases. What do we do to cattle that are infected with disease? We destroy them so the disease dosen't spread. I beleive that gays/lesbians/bis should be removed from society by any means. Nothing good can come from them. Humans are like animals. Animals are ment to reproduce to keep the species alive. I don't think gay/lebians can keep their species alive. The only rights gays/lesbians should have is right this way' date=' into the reformation camps to show them the error of their ways.[/quote'] There are too many people. We should kill heterosexuals who WANT KIDS so we can fix the population. Its not like the government wouldn't sterilize the water supply anyway. And Willie, if Animals don't have free will, then how do we have it? We are influenced by our drives and emotions as much as they are influence by instinct. They don't have emotion, they are not complex enough enough to create a higher being and have faith in it, they do not feel joy, they just feel this impulse to protect their young. It might create a comforting feeling to do so, but it is not an "emotion". The discussion of free will should be moved to the free will topic, currently in General, but will soon be moved to debates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelioSpark Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 @ Dj: lol long story...Willie lets just agree to end that convo. Dj if you really want to know, read back a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willieh Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 @ Dj: lol long story...Willie lets just agree to end that convo. Dj if you really want to know' date=' read back a bit[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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