Hitler; Intelligent?

[Static]

As far as I'm concerned, they are equal. They were both capitalists, which is enough of a crime as it is, and both were responsible for death, which is less of a crime.

 

In other words, it depends which you hold as more desecrate, deception or murder.

[Willieh]

As far as I'm concerned' date=' they are equal. They were both capitalists, which is enough of a crime as it is, and both were responsible for death, which is less of a crime.

 

In other words, it depends which you hold as more desecrate, deception or murder.

[/quote']

 

Well murder obviously...

 

Consider what you are saying.

 

Lol you are certainly an odd character. But not in a bad way. We need people like you in our society. Without people like you life would be boring.

 

It's really hard to determine your exact view on this, because you don't really have one :|. Your view is kind of jumpy. Like you dont really agree with either side of the argument but rather meet at a neutral point in which you decipher your own opinion. Honestly it kind of confuses me :(.

 

All I'm saying is Hitler created more of a blunt crime. He killed MORE than we did. When it comes down to it, people don't look at you for moral decentsy; but rather for how much of a burden you have been to the rest of the world. 'Tis human nature.

[Static]

As far as I'm concerned' date=' they are equal. They were both capitalists, which is enough of a crime as it is, and both were responsible for death, which is less of a crime.

 

In other words, it depends which you hold as more desecrate, deception or murder.

[/quote']

 

Well murder obviously...

 

Consider what you are saying.

 

Lol you are certainly an odd character. But not in a bad way. We need people like you in our society. Without people like you life would be boring.

 

It's really hard to determine your exact view on this, because you don't really have one :|. Your view is kind of jumpy. Like you dont really agree with either side of the argument but rather meet at a neutral point in which you decipher your own opinion. Honestly it kind of confuses me :(.

 

All I'm saying is Hitler created more of a blunt crime. He killed MORE than we did. When it comes down to it, people don't look at you for moral decentsy; but rather for how much of a burden you have been to the rest of the world. 'Tis human nature.

 

Human nature needs to change, so it makes sense. :/

[Willieh]

^ odds are is we will never change. So I choose to just live with it. Of course I refuse to accept everything I'm fed.

[Static]

Of course. We can change it Comrade. We just need to get to the inside of this Elite Class that rules the States.

[Willieh]

Of course. We can change it Comrade. We just need to get to the inside of this Elite Class that rules the States.

 

For some reason you remind me of Dale Gribbel of King of the Hill (please don't take that as an insult lol). My thoughts are that people don't change. :(

[Guest PikaPerson01]

About as intelligent as Americans. Let me explain.

 

Is it intellect to allow people to die to achieve your cause?

 

Is it intellect to be morally "Wrong" in the eyes of the western world?

 

Is it intellectual to make people follow your own set of beliefs?

 

Because if you think it is' date=' then look at the foundation of western democracy, and notice that its findings were just the word of another man. They are but the same in relevance and truth. The truth does not exist in either morality and the relevance applies to those who believe and/or are punished by its standardization.

 

In other words, The Bible has as much philosophic truth as the Nazi Party, and it is just as much as all other forms of belief, sponsored by smart men, political parties, or by "God."

 

Its all the same, regardless of what western liberals and conservatives wish to believe or what beliefs they were raised under.[/quote']

 

Discuss.

 

Comparing Fascist Germany to American Democracy just by drawing a few loosely worded parallels is a piss poor argument.

 

By that logic we could compare anyone and anything to whatever we wanted.

 

"Hitler was a painter. So was Da Vinci. Therefore, Da Vinci = Hitler."

[FindingTheEverlight]

Hitler had good ideas, but had a bad way of going about doing them. All he wanted to do was to make Germany a better place, but the best idea to make people listen to him was to make attack on the Jews. I am not against Hitler, neither am I for him, he was a smart man that brought the planet to it's better standpoint right now. Without him, I bet the world would be at a higher point of descrimination.

[Static]

About as intelligent as Americans. Let me explain.

 

Is it intellect to allow people to die to achieve your cause?

 

Is it intellect to be morally "Wrong" in the eyes of the western world?

 

Is it intellectual to make people follow your own set of beliefs?

 

Because if you think it is' date=' then look at the foundation of western democracy, and notice that its findings were just the word of another man. They are but the same in relevance and truth. The truth does not exist in either morality and the relevance applies to those who believe and/or are punished by its standardization.

 

In other words, The Bible has as much philosophic truth as the Nazi Party, and it is just as much as all other forms of belief, sponsored by smart men, political parties, or by "God."

 

Its all the same, regardless of what western liberals and conservatives wish to believe or what beliefs they were raised under.[/quote']

 

Discuss.

 

Comparing Fascist Germany to American Democracy just by drawing a few loosely worded parallels is a piss poor argument.

 

By that logic we could compare anyone and anything to whatever we wanted.

 

"Hitler was a painter. So was Da Vinci. Therefore, Da Vinci = Hitler."

 

Whether or not a government is humane is irrelevent. The fact that some people can become better than others by "working harder" or "being smart" (Social Darwinism) means that the governments are similar. Just because people vote for who runs their government in America doesn't change the fact that the most successful businessmen are the ones whose wills are satisfied to the greatest degree, simply because of the stress we put on wealth. A fascist regime is essentially a totalitarian Federal Republic, it is what would happen if we made Bush the king of America.

[Guest tonymann]

Hitler was a Genius who brought Germany into their highest econimic standpoint in years. During a meeting with Nazi Council (thats what i like to call them) one of the members came up with the Jewish Relocation Act which was the beginning of everything involving the holocaust. Hitler at first disagreed with this (He may have been a Nazi but he was still a Jew) but soon agreed to it fearing that without popular majority he would lose support for his cause.

 

Involving the invasion of Russia- Stalin was an egotistical idiot who thought that insulting hitler and germany and by sending russian spies into germany to keep tabs on him was a good idea. Hitler was also a very staunch Capitalist and because of that he did not fair too well with communism. Not only due to the fact that aside from the world populace having a firm hatred of communism, but that it would be a huge advantage if he took Russia (Which he almost did).

 

Truth be told the only reason's that Germany lost WWII was because:

 

1. In 1943 The king of Italy forced Benito Mussolini to pull out of the war which meant the Axis would lose a very powerful ally.

2. Hitler's constant paranoia of a coup de tat to overthrow him.

3. Americas involvement (If it wasnt for them Russia would have definately fallen).

4. Operation Valkyrie.

5. Loss at the battle of Britain and rise of Winston Churchill to power (feeble reason but strong nonetheless).

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

EDIT: Oh god dammit, this was bumped by him. Oh well, my points still remain valid.

 

Is it intellect to allow people to die to achieve your cause?

Yes.

 

Is it intellect to be morally "Wrong" in the eyes of the western world?

Depends.

 

Is it intellectual to make people follow your own set of beliefs?

Depends.

 

The only comparison you've made that makes sense is one that can be applied to every government in the world.

[Brinolovania]

I will not accept any logic making Hitler seem less insane dictator-y...but then, I'm Jewish (technically) so I need to be biased here...

[Dr. Cakey]

There was no "Jewish Genocide". There are still Jews Around.

So that's how you're defining genocide?

 

There was no "Native Genocide". There are still Natives Around. We had no interest in ending the Native American Race. We merely needed them for their working skills.

The Native Americans made poor slaves, because they had a dreadful habit of dying to Old World diseases like smallpox. A series of battles and outright assaults on Native Americans drove them all the way across the continent. These fights began due to some inherent racism and plenty of misunderstandings, and continued over a rapicious desire for land.

 

And here's the way I look at it. Yeah one life is a tragedy; so you don't see billions of lives lost as being a tragedy? The way you throw words around is ... insensative whilst being completely based on emotion. "Why do 6.5 Billion people need life anyway?" Wtf? That's horrible to say if you take in to consideration what you are really saying. Oh yeah and bombing Japan was necessary. It ended a lot of struggle; and they could have ended up taking over the world.

He's manipulating the words of Stalin. What he's saying (I think) is that a single life is tragic enough, millions are just as bad as one.

 

Saying it's necessary depends completely on your definition of 'necessary'. The U.S. could have held on to its never-honored noninterventionalist policy and lurked. No one has ever managed to take over the world, or even come close. They would have collapsed. It might not have seemed so at the time, and it's not really pertinent. Whatever

 

Basically this is my argument:

 

 

Hitler had no supportive reasons for killing the Jews. He simply wanted to end their race because of past troubles in his life and blamed them for his economical imbalances.

No, the entire country blamed them for just about everything, from economic woes to the crucifixion of Jesus. Without an anti-Semitic platform, he might not have gotten into his position.

 

America killed Native Americans so we could start a free independant civilization and eventually evolve to be a world power.

Yes, that was our express purpose in killing them. We used their corpses to power the magical Democracy to the World Machine.

 

Your argument seems to be:

 

 

Killing is killing, so what's the difference. A life lost is a life lost; numbers mean nothing.

 

 

 

 

Honestly, look at the differences between our arguments...

 

 

 

P.S. I'm pretty sure I'm not steril yet....:o....Maybe I should check.... Be back in about 7 mins.... XD

How do I put this...it may not be...apparent...that you have been magi-zapped into sterility. Not that I think zee EVIL GOVERNMENT is adding anti-Baby Juice to our water.

 

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Lolnecro

 

OT: Hitler did the killing for the "good" of his country. Back then people under him didn't think of it as something bad. It was just that America's side won, if they didn't Hitler would be praised as god by now.