aaronpoe1988 Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Original post: Deck: 42 cards Monsters: 24 1x Yubel - The Ultimate Nightmare1x Yubel - Terror Incarnate3x Yubel2x Doom Shaman2x Jinzo3x Dark Grepher1x Snipe Hunter2x Armageddon Knight3x Mystic Tomato1x Sangan3x Jinzo - Returner2x Doomsday Horror Spells: 14 1x Card Destruction3x Hand Destruction2x The Beginning of the End2x Card of Safe Return2x Swing of Memories1x Premature Burial1x Monster Reborn1x Heavy Storm1x Giant Trunade Traps: 4 1x Crush Card Virus3x Limit Reverse Fusion Deck: 6 3x Gladiator Beast Gyzarus3x Gladiator Beast Heraklinos I'm aware I can't summon the Fusions. Two reasons for their presence: 1) I Side Deck three copies each of Necrofear and Jowls of Dark Demise. 2) I want people to think it's Gladiator Beasts before the game begins, and Machine once the game starts. I don't want what I am doing to be obvious until Yubel is in play. Then I do not care what they think anymore. :) Any help would be greatly appreciated. Update: 9/14/08 New ban list, new restrictions, new rises to power, and more money. time to update! Monsters: 221x Yubel - The Ultimate Nightmare2x Yubel - Terror Incarnate3x Yubel2x Doom Shaman2x Archfiend Soldier2x Dark Grepher1x Snipe Hunter2x Armageddon Knight3x Mystic Tomato2x Wall of Illusion1x Sangan1x D.D. Crow Spells: 111x Card Destruction3x Allure of Darkness3x Hand Destruction2x Swing of Memories1x Heavy Storm1x Monster Reborn Traps: 81x Crush Card Virus1x Torrential Tribute3x Limit Reverse3x Solemn Judgment I know it isn't perfect, by far. But that's what you guys are here for, right? (Let's try not to be rude, people. I want useful insight. Thanks.) ~Poe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Why would anyone think this deck = GB? Unless you actually go and stick your Extra Deck up their nostrils, it ain't gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 -1 beginning of the end -1 grepher This gets you down to 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronpoe1988 Posted July 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 *sigh* I'm talking about pre-game! jesus... Where I am, Fusion Deck = Gladiator. Unless they see Jinzo or Cyber Dragon early on. Then Fusion Deck = Chimertech. Those are, as far as my surroundings are concerned, the 'only viable options". Not to mention I ran Gladiator Beasts for quite some time. My sleaves are the same. Etc. I really didn't want to have to explain all this. And it's not necessary for them to; it's just more amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Oh, so it's more of a situational joke that's only funny to people that experience them in the original context. I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 I see no Allures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronpoe1988 Posted July 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Gold shine Dragon:True, you see no Allures. THat's cause I don't like discarding from my hand to remove things from play. Limits my options too much. I MUCH prefer messing with the Graveyard that way. Say as you wish, but I had two Allure in two previous builds of this deck, and they almost ALWAYS were the most inconvenient draws of the deck. Once, I discarded Allure for Hand Destruction. That's how much I dislike Allure of Darkness for this deck. So yeah. You will never see Allures in Yubel or Jinzo with me. Never. Sorry. Charlie Morae: Basically. Jesus of Chaos: I actually don't want to get down to 40. ESPECIALLY if it requires dropping a Dark Grepher! Grepher is one of the most important cards in the deck. In fact, I don't think shrinking the deck is very possible. Nearly every card wound up in there from necessity. I also wouldn't want to run one Beginning of the End; it wouldn't be fast enough anymore. And Grepher thins my deck... so that's speed cut down two fold. Drawing Grepher takes a card out of the deck. and as I don't want to draw all the level 6 and ups, and do want to draw playable defenses, Grepher is a better draw than those others. So I'd rather draw him and lower the deck of the other. And how can you not like the Beginning of the End? Side Note: This is my tournament deck, people. You might notice I fight change in this with a lot more logic and experience than other concepts. That's cause I've been running this since Phantom Darkness Sneak Preview. So Yeah. I'll test all ideas, of course, but it's gotta be a guarenteed improvement, or it's not keeping. I <3 my Yubel. *makes sweet, sweet love to the creepy demon.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 True' date=' you see no Allures. THat's cause I don't like discarding from my hand to remove things from play. Limits my options too much. I MUCH prefer messing with the Graveyard that way. Say as you wish, but I had two Allure in two previous builds of this deck, and they almost ALWAYS were the most inconvenient draws of the deck. Once, I discarded Allure for Hand Destruction. That's how much I dislike Allure of Darkness for this deck. So yeah. You will never see Allures in Yubel or Jinzo with me. Never. Sorry.[/quote']DDR, Return from the Different Dimension and Escape from the Dark Dimension say Hi. Allure of Darkness is a staple in any DARK deck. If you fail to see that, the deck fails and you should try another build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronpoe1988 Posted July 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Goldshine Dragon: Return from the Different Dimension is limited to 1. Escape from the Dark Dimension and D.D.R. aren't so bad, but I wouldn't want to run only 1 of either one. So you're talking a major overhaul, (atleast a 3 card change,) I would presume, for the inclusion of a break-even Spell Card that isn't neccesary in every DARK-specific deck. I know, I know, Its a 2-for-2 draw card. I prefer my 1-for-3 draw card, and should have the right to do so. The deck doesn't suck, or "fail" as you put it, on the lack of (at most) 2 copies of 1 card that is not and has nothing to do with a win condition. And I think it is slightly disrespectful of you to act as such. Believe it or not, it is possible to win without using some cards you probably think are staples. By the way, I am not against Allure in general. I use it with my Gravekeepers, it's great there. Dark Armed staple? Hells-to-the-yeah!.. but it hasn't served me faithfully with Yubel, and Beginning has done me so much better. I would never knock another's card tastes, but I simply don't like being told something is guarenteed to be unsuccessful without any logical basis. Please, at least test this before condemning the entire deck build over my purposeful drop of what is apparently the only reason DARK is even remotely playable. I wonder why DARK ever won before hand... or why people ever played it in Japan? -It doesn't make me +. -It removes cards from play when I want them in the Graveyard. -It requires removing something else from the Deck that either serves a similiar purpose or also requires cards in the Graveyard. Sorry if that's redundant, and I am not trying to be rude, although I feel you were a little, (but you probably didn't mean to be; just letting you know I felt it,) but the 'staple' arguement is one of my least-favorite statements in the history of this trading card game. The only card in this entire game that should ever have been played in every deck is Pot of Greed. Not Raigeki. Not Harpie's Feather Duster. Not Graceful Charity. Not Yata or Tsukuyomi or Cyber-Stein, or Witch of the Black Forest. Just Pot of Greed. There will never be another like it. Period. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Well what about Beginning of the End. Its way too situational unless you are able to get 5 DARK Monsters in your graveyard with great ease or however many are required. I just think you can do better with Allure of Darkness than Begininning of the End. Allure of Darkness can work on your first turn. Beginning of the End is likely to not be able to work on your first turn. With all the One Turn Kills that around these days, you dont really have the luxury of stalling your opponent while they can possibly pull a swift OTK from out of no where. DARK Decks in Japan (mainly Dark Armed Dragon) are nowhere near as good as it is in the TCG because the OCG doesnt have Allure. There is hardly a viable replacement for Allure in DARK decks. The removal part of the effect actually makes it broken because of cards like Return, Escape and DDR. Why exactly is Doomsday Horror in here? It has no real place in here. Just a thought, you could probably speed up the deck without adding Allure. Even if the Yubel forms get dumped, they can still be revived by their respective effects. For this, add 3 Reasonings. Since the two final Yubel forms (Terror Incarnate and Ultimate Nightmare) will get dumped from Reasoning, they will still be able to get revived. Your deck will be faster, and not really affected negatively. Think about it. You could also probably add another copy of Terror Incarnate and Ultimate Nightmare to increase your chances of it ending up in the Graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronpoe1988 Posted July 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Goldshine: Sorry, by the way, if I seemed hostile earlier. Honestly, Doomsday Horror is in there for three reasons: 1) Anti-Dark Armed, cause when Dark Armed isn't on the field, after they've removed things from play, they can never summon it again.hm... I'll give it a shot. 2) Beginning of the End is FREE when I have the ability to destroy a Doomsday Horror. 3) When my Jinzo- Returner and Jinzo are removed from play, I summon Doomsday Horror and go on the offensive. If it dies, they all come back, Returner gives me back my Jinzo, and I get to attack with those instead. It's really simple, and surprisingly fast. (I honestly didn't know it was surprising, but eh.) I wil not lie; Lightsworn is faster than me. But I have yet to go down to Dark Armed the way you say. I have no problem testing the Reasonings. It's a bad idea to increase the amount of Yubel - TI and UN; I have enough bad draws. But I will give it a shot. Peace. ~Poe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRoyale Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 -1 Armageddon Knight+1 Disk Commander You run 3 Limit Reverse :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixty Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 You run 3 Limit Reverse :S For Yubel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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