The Forbidden List From the Void ~ Improved!

[Void Old]

I. Forbidden Cards

 

You cannot use these cards in your Deck or Side Deck:

 

BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING

BUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMA

CALL OF THE HAUNTED

Card of Safe Return

CHANGE OF HEART

CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END

CHAOS SORCERER

Crush Card Virus

CONFISCATION

CYBER JAR

CYBER-STEIN

Dark Armed Dragon

DARK HOLE

Dark Magician of Chaos

Darklord Zerato

DELINQUENT DUO

Destiny Hero - Disk Commander

DIMENSION FUSION

EXCHANGE OF THE SPIRIT

FIBER JAR

Gladiator Beast Gyzarus

GRACEFUL CHARITY

HARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTER

IMPERIAL ORDER

Judgment Dragon

LAST TURN

LAST WILL

MAGICAL SCIENTIST

MAGICIAN OF FAITH

MAKYURA THE DESTRUCTOR

Mass Driver

METAMORPHOSIS

MIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE

PAINFUL CHOICE

Phantom of Chaos

POT OF GREED

RAIGEKI

RING OF DESTRUCTION

Sangan

SINISTER SERPENT

SNATCH STEAL

THE FORCEFUL SENTRY

THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT

TIME SEAL

Treeborn Frog

TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS

TSUKUYOMI

VICTORY DRAGON

WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST

YATA-GARASU

 

NEW! - Card of Safe Return, Crush Card Virus, Dark Magician of Chaos, Dark Armed Dragon, Darklord Zerato, Destiny Hero - Disk Commander, Gladiator Beast Gyzarus, Judgment Dragon, Mass Driver, Phantom of Chaos, Sangan, Treeborn Frog.

 

 

II. Limited Cards

 

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

 

ADVANCED RITUAL ART

Book of Moon

BRAIN CONTROL

Breaker the Magical Warrior

Caius the Shadow Monarch

CARD DESTRUCTION

CARD TROOPER

CEASEFIRE

CHAIN STRIKE

Cyber Dragon

D.D. Scout Plane

D. D. WARRIOR LADY

ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS

Elemental Hero Prisma

EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE

FISSURE

Foolish Burial

FUTURE FUSION

GIANT TRUNADE

GOLD SARCOPHAGUS

GRAVITY BIND

GREEN BABOON, DEFENDER OF THE FOREST

HEAVY STORM

Jinzo

LEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE

LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE

LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B

LIMITER REMOVAL

MAGIC CYLINDER

MARSHMALLON

MEGAMORPH

MIND CRUSH

MIRROR FORCE

MONSTER REBORN

MORPHING JAR

MYSTICAL SPACE TYPHOON

NEO-SPACIAN GRAND MOLE

NIGHT ASSAILANT

NOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUT

OJAMA TRIO

OVERLOAD FUSION

PREMATURE BURIAL

RAIZA THE STORM MONARCH

Reinforcement of the Army

RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION

RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE

RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE

SCAPEGOAT

SMASHING GROUND

SNIPE HUNTER

SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT

SPIRIT REAPER

THE TRANSMIGRATION PROPHECY

TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE

TRAP DUSTSHOOT

TWIN-HEADED BEHEMOTH

ULTIMATE OFFERING

UNITED WE STAND

WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT

 

NEW! - Book of Moon, Breaker the Magical Warrior, Caius the Shadow Monarch, Cyber Dragon, D.D. Scout Plane, Foolish Burial, Elemental Hero Prisma, Jinzo, Mask of Darkness, Reinforcement of the Army.

 

III. Semi-Limited Cards

 

You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:

 

DESTINY HERO - MALICIOUS

 

NEW! The following Cards are no longer Banned/Limited/Semi-Limited - Light and Darkness Dragon, Mage Power, Manticore of Darkness, Royal Decree.

[tonisanoob]

some bad changes like the changes to glad beasts ban herk insted

[Void Old]

That's the thing, I don't think Herak is quite banworthy but I don't want to limit him.

 

I think I should ban Gyz, d'you agree?

[Flame Dragon]

Bestiari, Lacquer, and Prisma should not be limited.

Mass Driver should not be banned.

All match win cards should be illegal seeing how Victory Dragon is only banned since it isn't illegal.

Only match win cards and cards like Masahiro the Dark Clown should be illegal.

SixSams aren't any where near as good as they once were, Grandmaster is fine.

Solemn is fine at 3.

Plasma and Dogma shouldn't be limited.

No card should be Semi-Limited.

 

Bad list is bad.

[Void Old]

Bestiari' date=' Lacquer, and Prisma should not be limited. [b']Ok, I'm gonna unlimit Bestiari and ban Gyzarus, but Lacquer and Prisma stay.[/b]

Mass Driver should not be banned. It's the root of several OTKs.

All match win cards should be illegal seeing how Victory Dragon is only banned since it isn't illegal. Lrn2sentence structure. I have no idea what you're saying.

Only match win cards and cards like Masahiro the Dark Clown should be illegal. Masahiro's not english, and if you think Gods should be legal, GTFO. Also, the Traditional Format doesn't deserve to be ruined.

SixSams aren't any where near as good as they once were, Grandmaster is fine.They won a tournament while DAD was dominant. They're fully capable of winning with it gone.

Solemn is fine at 3. Argument or GTFO.

Plasma and Dogma shouldn't be limited. Argument or GTFO.

No card should be Semi-Limited. GTFO.

[tonisanoob]

i actually have to agree

 

no card shoudl be semid but ths the only point ihave to agree with cos i liek you void thus i dont ant to look liek an jabroni :D

[Void Old]

Ok, but seriously, why shouldn't cards be semi'd? It significantly cuts the chances of drawing them.

[「tea.leaf」]

Bad list is bad.

[Void Old]

Bad list is bad.

 

*facepalm.* Explain why or G-T-F-O.

[「tea.leaf」]

^ I'm not under any obligation to explain, or to answer to you.

 

Also, your close-minded attitude is getting irritating.

[Void Old]

Fine. But if you aren't going to back your statements up, don't make them in the first place. It took me a good amount of time to make this list, and people are just saying it's bad without giving explanations, which I find irritating.

 

I can't be open-minded if you're not providing ideas towards improvement or constructive criticism. The only idea you're contributing is "it's bad" and if I don't think I'm being too "close-minded" if I don't agree. Maybe I could be more "open-minded" if you gave me some ideas to work with, but as it is, you're just seeking to annoy me.

[Guest Star]

Why is Crush Card Virus illegal and limited?

 

The only card that should be semi-limited right now is Destiny Hero - Malicious.

 

Please explain why Reasoning is semi-limited because it makes absolutely no sense.

[Void Old]

Thanks, I forgot to delete it from the limited list, I'll do so straightaway.

 

Please explain why no card should be semi-limited except Malicious.

 

I semi'd Reasoning to take care of turbos and Six Samurai to a small extent.

[Yogg-Saron]

If you semi Reasoning, then monster gate should be semi'd. NEITHER should ever hit the list however. Sorry, but bad list is bad. Gyzarus, DaD, and JD I can see being limited, but they are not ban worthy as the point of those deck types would be lost and the only meta we would see would be Synchros. The end of Yu-Gi-Oh! is among us.

[Guest Star]

Thanks' date=' I forgot to delete it from the limited list, I'll do so straightaway.

 

Please explain why no card should be semi-limited except Malicious.

 

I semi'd Reasoning to take care of turbos and Six Samurai to a small extent.

[/quote']

 

I'm not completely sure on why no card should be semi-limited, although Crab Helmet has explained it to me, but I believe it is because a card should either be at 3, 1, or 0. The only card that should be semi-limited is one that requires more than 2 copies of itself to use a powerful effect.

 

Reasoning would still be used at 1. You get a free mill and the opportunity to Special Summon a monster. Six Samurai haven't made a huge impact as of late, so there's no reason to semi-limit Reasoning.

[Void Old]

Mike: This list only includes LoDT and below. I think I might limit Reasoning. I think DAD, JD, and Gyz are pretty banworthy, but that's just me. It was made to promote new Deck types and more original ideas for decks.

 

Star: Ok, but I still think semi-limiting cuts it's chances of bing drawn significantly, although I could PM Crab Helmet, I haven't seen him in my time here so I'm not sure if he's here anymore, is he?

 

Six Samurai haven't made much of an impact recently, but that's mostly due to other Deck types blotting them out. With those deck types weakened, I think they have a large chance of revival.

[bozotehpwns]

You forgot to Semi Magikarp!

[Yogg-Saron]

What would be the POINT of meta without DAD, JD, and Gyz? There would be no point, per say. As the good cards that support good meta decks would be lost to Traditional Format. Even then it isn't played.

[Guest Star]

Gyzarus needs to be banned.

 

Even at 1, it's still just as dangerous as it is at 3 because you can get it back with Darius and that new Gladiator Beast.

[Void Old]

Mike: Not all Decks need Gyz, JD, and DAD. GBs, DAD, and LS aren't the only deck types y'know. ;) This list tries to get people to play more innovative deck types.

 

Star: It's banned. ^_^

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Bestiari' date=' Lacquer, and Prisma should not be limited. [b']Ok, I'm gonna unlimit Bestiari and ban Gyzarus, but Lacquer and Prisma stay.[/b]

 

... Why?

 

Mass Driver should not be banned. It's the root of several OTKs.

 

Giga Plant OTK is far from consistent, and next to impossible to do on a consistent enough basis. (At best, it's a 3 card OTK. Dragon's Mirror, a way to summon a Giga Plant, and Mass Driver.)

 

Second of all, Cannon Soldier.

 

All match win cards should be illegal seeing how Victory Dragon is only banned since it isn't illegal. Lrn2sentence structure. I have no idea what you're saying.

 

... It's pretty obvious what he meant. All the cards that have "this card is illegal in a duel" in the bottom left corner are... illegal to use in a duel.

 

Only match win cards and cards like Masahiro the Dark Clown should be illegal. Masahiro's not english, and if you think Gods should be legal, GTFO. Also, the Traditional Format doesn't deserve to be ruined.

 

Traditional Format is already ruined, It's just a coin flip.

 

The Gods honestly could be legal, with their TCG effects, and the only one that would seen any decent play would be Ra, but only for the Reversal Quiz OTK it has.

 

SixSams aren't any where near as good as they once were, Grandmaster is fine.They won a tournament while DAD was dominant. They're fully capable of winning with it gone.

 

ITT: A deck winning = a deck being broken. Prove Six Samurai winning is bad and unhealthy for the metagame.

 

Solemn is fine at 3. Argument or GTFO.

Plasma and Dogma shouldn't be limited. Argument or GTFO.

No card should be Semi-Limited. GTFO.

 

A card's default position is three. Unless you can prove it's a threat to the game, there's no reason to limit or ban it.

[Flame Dragon]

Bestiari' date=' Lacquer, and Prisma should not be limited. [b']Ok, I'm gonna unlimit Bestiari and ban Gyzarus, but Lacquer and Prisma stay.[/b]

Prisma and Lacquer don't hurt the game at 3

Mass Driver should not be banned. It's the root of several OTKs.

So ban the cards that cause the OTKs. IE Royal Impregnable Fortress

All match win cards should be illegal seeing how Victory Dragon is only banned since it isn't illegal. Lrn2sentence structure. I have no idea what you're saying.

All match win cards should be illegal. Victory Dragon is banned because it isn't illegal

Only match win cards and cards like Masahiro the Dark Clown should be illegal. Masahiro's not english, and if you think Gods should be legal, GTFO. Also, the Traditional Format doesn't deserve to be ruined.

It was an example. Gods suck and it wouldn't matter if they were legal.. Traditional Format already sucks.

 

SixSams aren't any where near as good as they once were, Grandmaster is fine.They won a tournament while DAD was dominant. They're fully capable of winning with it gone.

Solemn is fine at 3. Argument or GTFO.

Plasma and Dogma shouldn't be limited. Argument or GTFO.

No card should be Semi-Limited. GTFO.

For the last 4 see what PikaPerson said.

[Void Old]

Bestiari' date=' Lacquer, and Prisma should not be limited. [b']Ok, I'm gonna unlimit Bestiari and ban Gyzarus, but Lacquer and Prisma stay.[/b]

 

... Why?

 

Because they'd make GBs into a format-ruining Deck.

 

Mass Driver should not be banned. It's the root of several OTKs.

 

Giga Plant OTK is far from consistent, and next to impossible to do on a consistent enough basis. (At best, it's a 3 card OTK. Dragon's Mirror, a way to summon a Giga Plant, and Mass Driver.)

 

Second of all, Cannon Soldier.

 

It's not as much Gigaplant OTK that I'm worried about, it's all of the loops that I'm worried about, Gigaplant OTK is just 1 of them.

 

All match win cards should be illegal seeing how Victory Dragon is only banned since it isn't illegal. Lrn2sentence structure. I have no idea what you're saying.

 

... It's pretty obvious what he meant. All the cards that have "this card is illegal in a duel" in the bottom left corner are... illegal to use in a duel.

 

That doesn't mean UDE can make more/reprint some in SJ magazines and whatnot which aren't illegal.

 

Only match win cards and cards like Masahiro the Dark Clown should be illegal. Masahiro's not english, and if you think Gods should be legal, GTFO. Also, the Traditional Format doesn't deserve to be ruined.

 

Traditional Format is already ruined, It's just a coin flip.

 

It doesn't have to be.

 

The Gods honestly could be legal, with their TCG effects, and the only one that would seen any decent play would be Ra, but only for the Reversal Quiz OTK it has.

 

Yes, but they don't have "TCG" effects, they don't have any effects, and are fake for our purposes.

 

SixSams aren't any where near as good as they once were, Grandmaster is fine.They won a tournament while DAD was dominant. They're fully capable of winning with it gone.

 

ITT: A deck winning = a deck being broken. Prove Six Samurai winning is bad and unhealthy for the metagame.

 

Six Samurai taking over the meta and winning game after game is unhealthy for the metagame because it makes it unfair for those who run other Deck Types. Grandmaster contributes to their "swarm" vastly, wich is the main path to victory fo Samurai Decks, and with this list minus Grandmaster, Samurais would be so popular that innovative decks wouldn't get anywhere, which this list tries to promote. Samurais can still win without the extra 2 Grandmasters, they just wouldn't be so intense and overwhelming.

 

Solemn is fine at 3. Argument or GTFO.

Plasma and Dogma shouldn't be limited. Argument or GTFO.

No card should be Semi-Limited. GTFO.

 

A card's default position is three. Unless you can prove it's a threat to the game, there's no reason to limit or ban it.

 

In my opinion cards which require little to no skill and just win "threaten the game".

 

 

Thank you for providing arguments and constructive criticism, I've replied in bolds.

 

Flame Dragon, that's just spam. Get your own opinions or please don't post.

 

By the way, sorry about the GTFOs, my patience was low.

[Flame Dragon]

[Flame Dragon' date= that's just spam. Get your own opinions or please don't post.

 

By the way, sorry about the GTFOs, my patience was low.

[/quote]

WTF. How is that spam?

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

DAD/JD make for interesting decks. I'd like to see them get along in a format that makes MMonarchs playable. Make Gyzarus illegal if you'd like; Glad Beasts are just cheap.

 

...You made the Instamatchers legal. That means you're even worse at the TCG than I am.

TRAD TOURNEYS ANYONE.

 

...There are Semi'd cards. That means you're even worse at the TCG than I am.

SEMI'ING IS FOR N00BS.

 

Don't try and kill goodish non-FTK decks, try and promote goodish non-metaking decks. In short, lrn2play, then lrn2banlist.