Destiny Hero - Malicious : Discussion

[Guest]

 

People keep saying that he's Semi-Limit-worthy.

 

He's not.

 

Discuss.

[JesusofChaos™]

It is not a double instant special summon. Once the first is removed another goes to the field' date=' thus you cannot get another till that 2nd one hits the grave . If you think an instant special summon of a monster with 800 atk is semi-able then semi evil hero infernal prodigy as that also provides instant tribute fodder

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[Guest Chaos Pudding]

The logic of people wanting it to be Semi-Limited stems from their thinking that having 2 free Special Summons that are, in almost all aspects, only good as Tribute fodder, is a horribly broken thing and should be eliminated as quickly and swiftly as possible. What, pray tell, are we going to do with "OMG 2WO SPECIAL SUMMONZ!1"? Summon a Caius each turn for 2 turns? You can do that just by Tributing the used Caius. Inflict 1000 points of damage with Cannon Solider? Bring out Dogma?

[~ Chidori-Kun]

he's more broken in this format cause of synchros

 

quich stardust food

[Abstract [Atrocity]]

Having it as 3 was fun, with Necroface. That, + monarchs + 3x soul release meant nearly endless field presence and a flood of cards, not to mention a level 4 monster than can easily go past 2000. It also meant you could eradicate whatever was in the graveyard. If it were at 3 in this meta, JD and DAD would have been taken down a notch.

[JesusofChaos™]

he's more broken in this format cause of synchros

 

quich stardust food

 

Stardust is broken now?

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

he's more broken in this format cause of synchros

 

quich stardust food

 

And why, pray tell, is that a broken thing?

[~ Chidori-Kun]

malacious dumped, quick synchro summon with tuner

 

also I said more brocken, not altogether broken

[JesusofChaos™]

malacious dumped' date=' quick synchro summon with tuner

 

also I said more brocken, not altogether broken

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Saying 'more' implies it was broken to begin with.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

malacious dumped' date=' quick synchro summon with tuner

 

also I said more brocken, not altogether broken

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I know what you meant. I asked why that was even remotely broken in the first place. The best Synchro the TCG has right now isn't even level 8.

[Guest]

You don't need 3 Malicious to use Malicious as Synchro food; you only need 2. Therefore, the Synchro argument for Semi-Limiting Malicious has no logical basis.

[Fh-Fh]

I think he should still be semi-limited.

 

Have a tuner out, Malicious and D-Draw in hand. Dump Malicious, draw 2, remove, get another, Synchro summon. Now, if it were at 3, you would have extra food, just in case.

 

It's also good for grave thinning to summon DAD

You don't need 3 Malicious to use Malicious as Synchro food; you only need 2. Therefore' date=' the Synchro argument for Semi-Limiting Malicious has no logical basis.

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You don't NEED 3. But Having 3 would be nice. More D-Draw power, more tributes, more Synchro food.

 

Yes. It is alo good for, said earlier in this thread, tributes. But who doesn't like an easy tribute?

 

Summon Malicious, tribute for Jinzo, PMD, etc.

[tonisanoob]

okay so whats the "pros" stance on this, its unclear wether you think its ban worthy or shoudl be unlimited

[Thegargoylevine]

I think it's ban worthy because of Destiny Draw. Three of these and two Disk Commanders are enough to see the rise of Perfect Circle again, this time with even more Monarchs.

[Skyfi]

malacious dumped' date=' quick synchro summon with tuner

 

also I said more brocken, not altogether broken

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Q4E Its Broken Just Not Totally Broken

[Exiro]

No, Malicious isn't worth a Semi.

Maybe he's the card that's most close to it, but he definitely isn't worth a semi.

 

I think it's ban worthy because of Destiny Draw. Three of these and two Disk Commanders are enough to see the rise of Perfect Circle again' date=' this time with even more Monarchs.

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Disk Commander should be banned without a doubt.

[Tabris]

Disk Commander should be banned without a doubt.

 

Generic revival are more worthy of a banning than this card ever was.

[Tickle Me Emo]

I made a topic about this already. I think this should be at 3. Also someone at locals today asked if he could Crow a Malicious if the opponent declares they are activating its effect. The ref couldnt give a decision as the Crow was in his hand and its considered giving help during the duel. You cant crow it to stop it right? since removing it is the cost?

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Disk Commander should be banned without a doubt.

 

Generic revival are more worthy of a banning than this card ever was.

 

Except Limit Reverse and Graceful Revival aren't generic, yet help Disk Commander.

[Guest]

You don't NEED 3. But Having 3 would be nice. More D-Draw power' date=' more tributes, more Synchro food.

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Saying that it "would be nice" is not justification for being banworthy. If two copies of something are fine and the third copy makes things so terrible for the game that it cannot be allowed to exist, there had better be something pretty game-breakingly special about that third copy. But as you've said, the third copy is merely nice and makes things better; however, it's still nothing more than an improvement on two copies, and you've given no reason as to why the line should be drawn between two and three copies, other than by saying that having three would be better than having two.

 

I think it's ban worthy because of Destiny Draw. Three of these and two Disk Commanders are enough to see the rise of Perfect Circle again' date=' this time with even more Monarchs.

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Disk Commander should be banned. This means that Perfect Circle does not exist.

 

Disk Commander should be banned without a doubt.

 

Generic revival are more worthy of a banning than this card ever was.

 

If' date=' by "Generic revival", you mean the Rebirth Trinity - Monster Reborn, Premature Burial, and Call of the Haunted - then yes, all three of those should be banned. That doesn't mean that Disk Commander should remain legal.

 

If, by "Generic revival", you also include Angel Lift and Limit Reverse, then you are wrong.

 

Also someone at locals today asked if he could Crow a Malicious if the opponent declares they are activating its effect. The ref couldnt give a decision as the Crow was in his hand and its considered giving help during the duel. You cant crow it to stop it right? since removing it is the cost?

 

Correct.

[Lazer Yoshi]

Cool card is cool. Weak ATK/DEF, but nice effect when needing a tribute or whatever else you need to do :P

[Tabris]

Disk Commander should be banned without a doubt.

 

Generic revival are more worthy of a banning than this card ever was.

 

Except Limit Reverse and Graceful Revival aren't generic' date=' yet help Disk Commander.

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Yes, but you would need dedication for that sort. You'd also need to fit more targets for LR/AL; otherwise, the Traps arrive dead in your hand while Disk langusihes somewhere else.

 

Then you have the win condition to kick things off.

 

And so on.

[JesusofChaos™]

Disk commader is probably one the most simple cards to get into the graveyard. Arm knight, grepher, foolish, destiny draw. Also searchable by alot- stratos and RoTA

[Mr. Judgment Dragon]

Its a fantastic card. D-Draw, Foolish, Arm Knight, Dark Grepher, to a funnier extent Dark Crusader makes this instant Tribute Fodder (pretty sure there are more cards that can do this). Comparing this to CyDra which without revival power only gives you 2 Tribute Fodder (in the current Format BTW)Malicious without Return or something that can bring it back from RFP at 3 would do basically the same thing (2 Tribute Fodder) but it can also be used as CCV food. If CCV gets banned (which it probably should), then it would probably be a little unfair having Malicious Semi'd. Why was it even Semi'd in the first place (I would prefer an expert opinion on this one)?

[.:pyramid:.]

i disagree, we are forgetting about one card that seems perfect for malicious at three, and that is crush card virus plus using it then being able to summon a level 8 sync monster ( most probably star dust ) is a potential lock down. so does that lead to the question whether malicious should be limited or banned, at 1 i believe you can just use it to get the number of darks in your grave right for dad, still not that useful. but at two you get one play, so you can still make these plays but you can't use malicious to repeat his effect to then build on your strategy

 

maybe its not the question of what allocation malicious should be, but more which cards should be banned to allow this to stay at semi, because malicious effect seems right to stay at two with its effect.