HORUS Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I so badly wish I could run 3 Raiza, 3 LJM, 3 PWWB, and 3 Mind Crush. But even if Raiza and Mind Crush were unlimited, DAD would still be able to draw enough to get out of any draw hold-ups (though with the advent of Disk Commander and DMoC being banned, that may not be so.) It would sure cripple Gladiators though. Even a single LJM these days can stop a big gladiator play. Anyone else think Raiza and Mind Crush should be Unlimited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Yes, they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.D Star-Storm Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 yes they should be unlimed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Yes' date=' they should.[/quote'] If Trap Dustshoot remains limited, Mind Crush should not be unlimited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted August 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 ' pid='990615' dateline='1219121129']Yes' date=' they should.[/quote'] If Trap Dustshoot remains limited, Mind Crush should not be unlimited. Dustshoot should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 I realize that. However, as long as Dustshoot remains limited, Mind Crush should stay there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Raiza unlimited... Really? Someone care to explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Raiza unlimited... Really? Someone care to explain? WOULD YOU CARE TO EXPLAIN Who is the Gaucho amigo?Why is he standing in your spangled leather panchoAnd your elevator shoes?Bodacious cowboysSuch as your friendWill never be welcome hereHigh in the Custerdome Anyhow, would someone care to explain why he should actually be limited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Raiza is hardly Limit worthy in my opinion. Unlimit the card. It is a good card but not so good it has to be Limited. Unlimit the damn card already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 Because of the luck factor upperdeck and konami are trying to limit to a minimum (they are doing a bad job at it by the way). Getting 2 raiza can lock your opponent for just the right amount of time to take out all of his life point. Clear the back field with wing blast (or storm/mst) next raiza your monster for 2400, opp turn set then ohh lucksack 2nd raiza 2400 (already down to 3200 now just add frog or mali to the scenario and you have an extra 2400 on the board so opp is down to 800). Usually the opponent is crippled enough for you to pick up what remains of him (don't forget you have 2 draws during this time if you hit anything to clear the monster you win). It's almost 2 free turn basically. (personnal experience) I played vs lazaro in a TO regionals i got double raiza on him and even if he managed to survived (with a mere 200 lp) there was nothing he could do. He crushed me (at the time nobody had ccv and reaper stalled for like 4 turns) for +4 and still lost the game, because he was forced to play on the defense with such a low amount of lp. Double raiza should not be legal period, it creates almost every time an unsurmountable advantage. Add in wing blast and this is just putting salt on an open wound. Many good players can tell you that being sack because of double raiza is worst than losing to ccv. Some people might compare this with ccv being legal and yes i don't think ccv should be legal. But even then, i see more game when people get crushed and still win then when raiza was at 3 and you get double raiza'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 ----^ tl;dr anyhoo however no both should be limited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 ----^ tl;dr anyhoo however no both should be limited To whomever it concerns' date=' Neither of these cards should be limited on a good ban list as there is no reason for it. Anyone who disagrees should fall in a hole. Good day, Chaos Kid[/i'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 ' pid='992126' dateline='1219158275']----^ tl;dr anyhoo however no both should be limited To whomever it concerns' date=' Neither of these cards should be limited on a good ban list as there is no reason for it. Anyone who disagrees should fall in a hole. Good day, Chaos Kid[/i'] To whomever it concerns, please find your own jokes. p.s yes they should be, also what "good ban list" we only have ONE banlist to go on so stop, rating cards on this metaphirical "perfect meta" and start rating them this meta -.-' i really have no clure on the justification tht everyone on this site has on raiza not being limited its such a b***** of a card it gives dead draws and its a -1 for your opponent and it screws up hand advantage its a devastating card bad at 3 good at 1 mind crush however it just depends THIS format no soo much searchability with certain cards it can devastate your opponents hand Good day, *insert stupid name here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 itt:terribleness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushi the Holy Dark Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 after what i saw in OCG banlist then , Disk commander and prem is gonna get banned, DAD and JD and Card of safe return is going semi-limit, CyDra is going limit, breaker limit as well. thats what i remember right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silencerleader Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 One word: NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Digital.Simplicity. Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 yep they should unlimit raiza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 ' pid='992126' dateline='1219158275']----^ tl;dr anyhoo however no both should be limited To whomever it concerns' date=' Neither of these cards should be limited on a good ban list as there is no reason for it. Anyone who disagrees should fall in a hole. Good day, Chaos Kid[/i'] To whomever it concerns, please find your own jokes. p.s yes they should be, also what "good ban list" we only have ONE banlist to go on so stop, rating cards on this metaphirical "perfect meta" and start rating them this meta -.-' i really have no clure on the justification tht everyone on this site has on raiza not being limited its such a b***** of a card it gives dead draws and its a -1 for your opponent and it screws up hand advantage its a devastating card bad at 3 good at 1 mind crush however it just depends THIS format no soo much searchability with certain cards it can devastate your opponents hand Good day, *insert stupid name here* tl;dr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 One word: YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabris Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Yes yes yes yes yes... ... Raiza should be UNLIMITED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 I think Raizas a bit to powerful to be at 3. Ive seen to many people screwed from someone tribute summoniing Raiza 3 turns straight. However at 1 its not a big threat, but more of an annoyance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Dinosaur Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Unlimit Raiza? Like, at 40-60 per Deck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Limiting Raiza was a joke. Yeah, he's good. Is he that good? No. He's a -1 for your opponent. Caius is a -1 for your opponent. Should Caius be limited? How about Zaborg? Thestalos? The only diference between Raiza and Caius is that Raiza delays a future threat where as Caius eliminates a present threat. Frankly, Caius is better in this meta. Raiza shouldn't have been touched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KornKing153 Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 So does everyone whant to get pwwb and riazad to death?!?!?!?!? NO RIAZA! Leave it at 1! cauis isnt no where near as broke as riaza. It gives a -1 And then puts them back a draw phase and then takes another normal summoning. If anything it could be looked at as a plus 3. If riaza goes back to three i quite yugioh. One gay meta to the next nope Im done if riza goes to 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 If anything it could be looked at as a plus 3. Yes, and Mechanical Snail could also be looked at as a plus 3. However, those of us here who didn't fail elementary arithmetic will look at it in a different way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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