tonisanoob Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 tbh im not convinced it may be an otk but you still need to clear the feild for it to work okay its not that hard but still it dosnt seem banworthy but it is a pretty damn cool card (H) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 ' pid='1287897' dateline='1225182838']Wolf: The purpose of an OTK is to inflict enough damage to reduce the opponent to 0' date=' or winning the duel by card effects, in one turn. A Lockdown is normally, not an OTK. Not saying that it's bad: Yata-Lock usually takes more than one turn to accomplish. Lockdowns, if handled properly, renders your opponent helpless.[/quote'] I can help you prove your point actually.i was playing traditional, and got yata locked after CED, he was going to assume he won, but he had to keep playing because I had 30,000 life points. (humming bird works wonders when he is played first turn and survives for 10 turns under peace + axe of d.) he ran out of a deck before I died. sure it was complete luck, but it is an example that proves that OTK is more deadly than lockdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted October 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 A lockdown, properly executed, is a de facto OTK. tbh im not convinced it may be an otk but you still need to clear the feild for it to work okay its not that hard but still it dosnt seem banworthy but it is a pretty damn cool card (H) A lot of OTK's that are widely considered banworthy require an open field. Cyber-Stein and Chimeratech are the first two examples that spring to mind. The Dark Ruler's sole purpose for existence is to OTK. That's all it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Star Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 The Dark Ruler's sole purpose for existence is to OTK. That's all it does. I doubt that. I was told that it also makes chocolate chip cookies. Anyway, the card should be banned. The OTK is too easy to perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff! Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 mmmm,otk.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Lightning Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I actually thought this card wasnt released. I thought Light Ruler was the one on LODT. You can also get tribute fodder with phantom skyblaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I actually thought this card wasnt released. I thought Light Ruler was the one on LODT. You can also get tribute fodder with phantom skyblaster You can't use tokens. That's been mentioned like 3 times in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 hmmm crab does have a good point (after reading his reply) i guess this card banness comes from the fact that it dosnt have a downside liek other arcana force monsters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted October 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 i guess this card banness comes from the fact that it dosnt have a downside liek other arcana force monsters The crucial difference between this card and other Arcana Force monsters isn't that this card doesn't have a negative effect. The crucial difference between this card and other Arcana Force monsters is that this card is the only one designed to inflict 8000 damage in one Battle Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 i guess this card banness comes from the fact that it dosnt have a downside liek other arcana force monsters The crucial difference between this card and other Arcana Force monsters isn't that this card doesn't have a negative effect. The crucial difference between this card and other Arcana Force monsters is that this card is the only one designed to inflict 8000 damage in one Battle Phase. But you have to use 3 monsters for a 50/50 chance at getting 8000 atk AND you need to be able to do something with that atk. Even if it's the purpose of the card, the otk is almost unplayable. We also have side deck for this. Destiny Hero - Plasma is infinatly better than this.Black Rose Dragon is infinatly better than this.Rainbow Dark Dragon is more playable than this. If and I say IF this card becomes someday somewhat playable then we'll deal with it but, I don't see that being soon. Even if we deal with all the boss decks plain old boring monarch will be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Rainbow Dark Dragon is more playable than this. Not in todays meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted October 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 i guess this card banness comes from the fact that it dosnt have a downside liek other arcana force monsters The crucial difference between this card and other Arcana Force monsters isn't that this card doesn't have a negative effect. The crucial difference between this card and other Arcana Force monsters is that this card is the only one designed to inflict 8000 damage in one Battle Phase. But you have to use 3 monsters for a 50/50 chance at getting 8000 atk AND you need to be able to do something with that atk. Even if it's the purpose of the card' date=' the otk is almost unplayable. We also have side deck for this. Destiny Hero - Plasma is infinatly better than this.Black Rose Dragon is infinatly better than this.Rainbow Dark Dragon is more playable than this. If and I say IF this card becomes someday somewhat playable then we'll deal with it but, I don't see that being soon. Even if we deal with all the boss decks plain old boring monarch will be better.[/quote'] What you are saying is that this card should be banned the moment it becomes playable. Think about that for a moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I'm pretty sure the moment this card will be playable is never that's why I said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted October 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I'm pretty sure the moment this card will be playable is never that's why I said that. Saying that a card should be banned if it ever gets used is equivalent to saying that it should be immediately banned. If that card is being used, then it should be banned, as you just said, and if that card is not being used, then it may as well be banned because nobody will be running it, and there's no sense in risking somebody getting a chance to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I'm pretty sure the moment this card will be playable is never that's why I said that. Saying that a card should be banned if it ever gets used is equivalent to saying that it should be immediately banned. If that card is being used' date=' then it should be banned, as you just said, and if that card is not being used, then it may as well be banned because nobody will be running it, and there's no sense in risking somebody getting a chance to use it.[/quote'] Ok i get what you are saying but even if we take that aside why should we deal with a bad card. I think the drawback of having to give away 3 monsters is enough to get 8000 atk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted October 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I'm pretty sure the moment this card will be playable is never that's why I said that. Saying that a card should be banned if it ever gets used is equivalent to saying that it should be immediately banned. If that card is being used' date=' then it should be banned, as you just said, and if that card is not being used, then it may as well be banned because nobody will be running it, and there's no sense in risking somebody getting a chance to use it.[/quote'] Ok i get what you are saying but even if we take that aside why should we deal with a bad card. I think the drawback of having to give away 3 monsters is enough to get 8000 atk. There are some cards that have game-winning effects that are not banworthy. Destiny Board is a good example of this. Controlling three monsters is not sufficient to balance a game-winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I'm pretty sure the moment this card will be playable is never that's why I said that. Saying that a card should be banned if it ever gets used is equivalent to saying that it should be immediately banned. If that card is being used' date=' then it should be banned, as you just said, and if that card is not being used, then it may as well be banned because nobody will be running it, and there's no sense in risking somebody getting a chance to use it.[/quote'] Ok i get what you are saying but even if we take that aside why should we deal with a bad card. I think the drawback of having to give away 3 monsters is enough to get 8000 atk. There are some cards that have game-winning effects that are not banworthy. Destiny Board is a good example of this. Controlling three monsters is not sufficient to balance a game-winner. I don't agree with this, plus it has to be 3 monsters you can send to the grave. Even with that you still have the 50% chance of getting the field nuke effect. While were at it if we need to ban him we might as well ban cards like montage dragon and united we stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 How easy is it to get 3 monsters to your field' date=' because from what I can tell how ban worthy this card is really is comes down to that?[/quote'] Zanji, Grandmaster, Shien, OHNOES RANDOM ARCANA FORCE MONSTER How easy is it to get 3 monsters to your field' date=' because from what I can tell how ban worthy this card is really is comes down to that?[/quote'] Zanji, Grandmaster, Shien, OHNOES RANDOM ARCANA FORCE MONSTER But you're losing a crap load of hand advantage. I don't know, is field nuker worth it? How easy is it to get 3 monsters to your field' date=' because from what I can tell how ban worthy this card is really is comes down to that?[/quote'] Zanji, Grandmaster, Shien, OHNOES RANDOM ARCANA FORCE MONSTERForgot about Six Sams. That answers me question. Ban it. Mystical Shine Ball. Venus. No, not the splendid one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaliceBloodlust Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Its nice but the fact that getting a good flip is very hard to do since its 50-50 still makes it too risky to do it if your in a tight spot and you need a HEADS effect but you get TAILS it can screw you if you dont get what you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Lupia Blitzer Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Reversal of Fate. Light Boundary. Tails is a good effect too, but not as good as Sonic Heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Ban it. The effect to wipe out the oponents life points like that isn't fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DestinedCardMaker Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I think it'd fit in Batteryman. Let's say... Two CoSR, then Reborn a Charger, Infernal Reckless summon two more [if from the GY, it would be heavenly], play short circuit, if negged another, summon guardian of order, an industrial [XD making this combo huge, but I'm sure you understand what I'm going for], trib the chargers, and rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 If you already have access to a Charger and Inferno Reckless Summon, you don't need to bother with him. (Unless you're so retarded as to play Batterymen without AA.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Lightning Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 I actually thought this card wasnt released. I thought Light Ruler was the one on LODT. You can also get tribute fodder with phantom skyblaster You can't use tokens. That's been mentioned like 3 times in this thread. I thought he was worded like plasma. My bad. Well, a machine + Dup, Hero kid, and zombies is what comes to mind if I were to use this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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