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I think that PokeSav is unlegit hacking even though that ARDS codes themselves are Legit. Getting the Azure Flute thru a hack is way different than getting an Arceus through PokeSav. If anyone gets to use POKESAV' date=' NOT ARDS, than I am dropping out.

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Why would it matter, if the PokeSav hacks have legal stats and moves? I, and many others, are able to create Pokemon on PokeSav that, when placed side-by-side with truly legit Pokemon, are totally indistinguishable from the real thing. So I'm not sure why you have your panties in a bunch.

 

It can make ANY Pokemon with ANY stats and ANY movesets. That is way too many "ANY"s and ARDS only makes Pokemon with random stats. ARDS is considered LEGIT and POKESAV is considered UNLEGIT. And UNLEGiT PKMN is considered an unfair advantage which is why I have my panties in a bunch.

 

You can train Pokemon in the real game, without any hacks whatsoever, that can have any stat that a given Pokemon can possibly legally have. If a PokeSav'd pogey doesn't exceed those limits, then why would it matter where it came from?

 

Because it would not be random. If the SP ATK for a Darkrai is between 400~500 (for example), in the game, it would be totally random. With PokeSavv, you can auto put it to 500 or EXCEED 500. With ARDS Darkrai's, it is also random, not chosen. The only way I would be at ease is if you hacked a level 70 or lower PKMN and TRAINED it to 100. Keeping the stats and movepool legit, of course.

 

Except that, by resetting the game over and over again, eventually, you would end up with a Darkrai that had the exact IVs and Nature you desired. All PokeSav would do in that instance would be to eliminate the time it took.

 

Also, PokeSavv is not 100% reliable, it is considered an unlegit way of obtaining Pokemon, you can use it to super power your Pokemon, etc...

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I think that PokeSav is unlegit hacking even though that ARDS codes themselves are Legit. Getting the Azure Flute thru a hack is way different than getting an Arceus through PokeSav. If anyone gets to use POKESAV' date=' NOT ARDS, than I am dropping out.

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Why would it matter, if the PokeSav hacks have legal stats and moves? I, and many others, are able to create Pokemon on PokeSav that, when placed side-by-side with truly legit Pokemon, are totally indistinguishable from the real thing. So I'm not sure why you have your panties in a bunch.

 

It can make ANY Pokemon with ANY stats and ANY movesets. That is way too many "ANY"s and ARDS only makes Pokemon with random stats. ARDS is considered LEGIT and POKESAV is considered UNLEGIT. And UNLEGiT PKMN is considered an unfair advantage which is why I have my panties in a bunch.

 

You can train Pokemon in the real game, without any hacks whatsoever, that can have any stat that a given Pokemon can possibly legally have. If a PokeSav'd pogey doesn't exceed those limits, then why would it matter where it came from?

 

Because it would not be random. If the SP ATK for a Darkrai is between 400~500 (for example), in the game, it would be totally random. With PokeSavv, you can auto put it to 500 or EXCEED 500. With ARDS Darkrai's, it is also random, not chosen. The only way I would be at ease is if you hacked a level 70 or lower PKMN and TRAINED it to 100. Keeping the stats and movepool legit, of course.

 

Except that, by resetting the game over and over again, eventually, you would end up with a Darkrai that had the exact IVs and Nature you desired. All PokeSav would do in that instance would be to eliminate the time it took.

 

Also, PokeSavv is not 100% reliable, it is considered an unlegit way of obtaining Pokemon, you can use it to super power your Pokemon, etc...

 

Except that ARDS is even LESS reliable, there would be no way for you or anyone else to tell, and it would be extremely stupid of me to use any "super" Pokemon in ANY tourney, etc.

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PokeSavv can be used to have unhacked moves' date=' but it CAN BE USED TO GIVE HACKED STATS. EVEN IF YOU KEEP THE STATS INSIDE THE STAT RANGE IT IS COMPLETELY HACKED AND UNRANDOM.[/b']

 

It's the exact same way with breeding. Every aspect of the bred Pokemon is CHOSEN. Absolutly none of it is random, right down to the individual stats. Do you have any idea what IVs and EVs even are?

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Yes I know what EV's and IV's are and breeding is totally different. You don't CHOOSE the stats or gender. You don't CHOOSE all of the moves.

 

Yes, you kinda do. By breeding a Pokemon with certain IVs with another Pokemon with certain IVs, you can tell what IVs the baby is going to have. It's the same thing with moves and Nature, if you use an Everstone. The only thing that is totally random is the gender, but that doesn't really matter when it comes to battling.

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So you are saying that by breeding two PKMN' date=' you could get a Charmander with Bubblebeam? Oh yeah, totally. [/sarcasm']

 

No, but if you bred a male Charmander with Flamethrower with a female Charmander, the baby Charmander is going to know Flamethrower. You dig?

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So you can't CHOOSE ALL of the moves. Just some. With PokeSavv' date=' you can CHOOSE everything.

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If the moves are legal, and the Pokemon is breedable, then yes, I can choose all 4 moves of each of my Pokemon.

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And now moving on to stats... normal PKMN have random stats. PokeSavved Pokemon have CHOSEN stats.

 

Normal Pokemon, used for battling, have their IVs CHOSEN through selective and careful breeding and rebreeding. After the Pokemon has the wanted IVs, the trainer CHOOSES which Pokemon the bred Pokemon battles, and thereby chooses the EVs. Base stats are the same for each Pokemon of a given species, regardless of PokeSav or no. Those 3 factors mean that, through breeding, I CHOOSE what stats my Pokemon have.

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You still don't understand? I won't bother explaining it again. See previous posts.

 

All I know is that if you get to use PokeSavved PKMN' date=' I am officially dropping out.

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So, just because I prove you wrong, you pull a "I'm going to jump off this building unless it goes my way" thing? How immature.

 

And, by the way, I already said that I wouldn't use PokeSav'd Pokemon.

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First of all' date=' I AM NOT GOING TO FIGHT POKESAVVED POKEMON. PERIOD. SO I AM NOT PULLING THE LAME OLD JUMP TRICK. AND SECONDLY, if you are not using PokeSavved PKMN, it gives me a chance to own you. How nice...

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I lol'd. I wonder if you'll be using a team of Arceus, Mewtwo, Darkrai, Giratina, Kyogre, and Lugia, like all the scrbs on Shoddy Battle use.

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First of all' date=' I AM NOT GOING TO FIGHT POKESAVVED POKEMON. PERIOD. SO I AM NOT PULLING THE LAME OLD JUMP TRICK. AND SECONDLY, if you are not using PokeSavved PKMN, it gives me a chance to own you. How nice...

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I lol'd. I wonder if you'll be using a team of Arceus, Mewtwo, Darkrai, Giratina, Kyogre, and Lugia, like all the scrbs on Shoddy Battle use.

 

You got 2 right. Congratz. Most people can get 3 right.

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I think that PokeSav is unlegit hacking even though that ARDS codes themselves are Legit. Getting the Azure Flute thru a hack is way different than getting an Arceus through PokeSav. If anyone gets to use POKESAV' date=' NOT ARDS, than I am dropping out.

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Why would it matter, if the PokeSav hacks have legal stats and moves? I, and many others, are able to create Pokemon on PokeSav that, when placed side-by-side with truly legit Pokemon, are totally indistinguishable from the real thing. So I'm not sure why you have your panties in a bunch.

 

It can make ANY Pokemon with ANY stats and ANY movesets. That is way too many "ANY"s and ARDS only makes Pokemon with random stats. ARDS is considered LEGIT and POKESAV is considered UNLEGIT. And UNLEGiT PKMN is considered an unfair advantage which is why I have my panties in a bunch.

 

You can train Pokemon in the real game, without any hacks whatsoever, that can have any stat that a given Pokemon can possibly legally have. If a PokeSav'd pogey doesn't exceed those limits, then why would it matter where it came from?

 

Because it would not be random. If the SP ATK for a Darkrai is between 400~500 (for example), in the game, it would be totally random. With PokeSavv, you can auto put it to 500 or EXCEED 500. With ARDS Darkrai's, it is also random, not chosen. The only way I would be at ease is if you hacked a level 70 or lower PKMN and TRAINED it to 100. Keeping the stats and movepool legit, of course.

 

Except that, by resetting the game over and over again, eventually, you would end up with a Darkrai that had the exact IVs and Nature you desired. All PokeSav would do in that instance would be to eliminate the time it took.

I'm banning PokeSavv, Chaos Pudding. read the rules. If you try to use them, you will be DQ'd from the tourney and I will personally neg you. Anyways, this club wasn't meant for that argument. If Chaos Pudding has Pokemon that fit into the rules by skill, I'll allow it. Tournament Ragistration ends 9/28 at 11:59 P.M.

May I add one more rule.

No action replays aloud dureing the battle.

Except for items/getting #'s 491-493. Besides' date=' I've tried to use it and it doesn't work.[hr']

The Tourney will begin 9/30 and I'll post who will be battiling who here on the first post.

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I think that PokeSav is unlegit hacking even though that ARDS codes themselves are Legit. Getting the Azure Flute thru a hack is way different than getting an Arceus through PokeSav. If anyone gets to use POKESAV' date=' NOT ARDS, than I am dropping out.

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Why would it matter, if the PokeSav hacks have legal stats and moves? I, and many others, are able to create Pokemon on PokeSav that, when placed side-by-side with truly legit Pokemon, are totally indistinguishable from the real thing. So I'm not sure why you have your panties in a bunch.

 

It can make ANY Pokemon with ANY stats and ANY movesets. That is way too many "ANY"s and ARDS only makes Pokemon with random stats. ARDS is considered LEGIT and POKESAV is considered UNLEGIT. And UNLEGiT PKMN is considered an unfair advantage which is why I have my panties in a bunch.

 

You can train Pokemon in the real game, without any hacks whatsoever, that can have any stat that a given Pokemon can possibly legally have. If a PokeSav'd pogey doesn't exceed those limits, then why would it matter where it came from?

 

Because it would not be random. If the SP ATK for a Darkrai is between 400~500 (for example), in the game, it would be totally random. With PokeSavv, you can auto put it to 500 or EXCEED 500. With ARDS Darkrai's, it is also random, not chosen. The only way I would be at ease is if you hacked a level 70 or lower PKMN and TRAINED it to 100. Keeping the stats and movepool legit, of course.

 

Except that, by resetting the game over and over again, eventually, you would end up with a Darkrai that had the exact IVs and Nature you desired. All PokeSav would do in that instance would be to eliminate the time it took.

I'm banning PokeSavv, Chaos Pudding. read the rules. If you try to use them, you will be DQ'd from the tourney and I will personally neg you. Anyways, this club wasn't meant for that argument. If Chaos Pudding has Pokemon that fit into the rules by skill, I'll allow it. Tournament Ragistration ends 9/28 at 11:59 P.M.

How can you prove some one is using Pokesav?

 

Unless the did somethnig along the lines of giving it a move it can't learn, theirs no way to tell.

 

Also you should disallow ubers.

[spoiler=List of ubers]

Arceus

Darkrai

Deoxys

Deoxys-A

Deoxys-D

Dialga

Garchomp

Giratina

Groudon

Ho-oh

Kyogre

Latias

Latios

Lugia

Manaphy

Mew

Mewtwo

Palkia

Rayquaza

Wobbuffet

 

 

Most people make teams for Standard play not uber.

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