Action Replay and PokeSav

[Death Metal]

I disapporve of AR and pokesav they make people who train the hard way look like a bunch of wimps when they wip out their wondertombs >:/

[Flame Dragon]

Legit means a fair or fair obtained PKMN. Unlegit is a hacked Pokemon with an ADVANTAGE.

So your saying ALL pokemon you get via PokeSav are unlegit. You then go on to say the above.

 

So your saying if I used PokeSav to get a Charizard with stats as follows

So this would also be unlegit

HP : 297

ATK 204

DEF 192

SPE: 236

SP.ATK: 254

SP.DEF: 206

it's unlegit' date=' but they don't meet your definition of unlegit because they don't have an advantage. So that would make them unlegit.

 

Besides their is no way to tell the difference between a PokeSav Pokemon or a normal one unless you were being stupid and did something along the lines of giving it a move it can't learn

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Yes, it is unlegit because you CHOSE THOSE STATS.

But you said it's unlegit if you do it to get an advantage. Most of those stats are easy to get.

 

Also you're saying that it is unlegit if I use Pokesav to get a pokemon with 1 in every stat. That is just stupid.

 

I disapporve of AR and pokesav they make people who train the hard way look like a bunch of wimps when they wip out their wondertombs >:/

I personally don't care if some one uses AR of Pokesav so long as they don't do somthing like that.

 

If some one beats you because of wondertombs they didn't really win. All they did was hack.

 

All AR and Pokesav do is make make a persons life easier because it takes a while just to get a good nature and ability. Let alone EV and IV training.

[Dark]

Legit means a fair or fair obtained PKMN. Unlegit is a hacked Pokemon with an ADVANTAGE.

So your saying ALL pokemon you get via PokeSav are unlegit. You then go on to say the above.

 

So your saying if I used PokeSav to get a Charizard with stats as follows

HP : 297

ATK 267

DEF 161

SPE: 268

SP.ATK: 254

SP.DEF: 206

it's unlegit' date=' but they don't meet your definition of unlegit because they don't have an advantage. So that would make them unlegit.

 

Besides their is no way to tell the difference between a PokeSav Pokemon or a normal one unless you were being stupid and did something along the lines of giving it a move it can't learn

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Yes, it is unlegit because you CHOSE THOSE STATS.

But you said it's unlegit if you do it to get an advantage. Most of those stats are easy to get.

So this would also be unlegit

HP : 297

ATK 204

DEF 192

SPE: 236

SP.ATK: 254

SP.DEF: 206

Also you're saying that it is unlegit if I use Pokesav to get a pokemon with 1 in every stat. That is just stupid.

 

I disapporve of AR and pokesav they make people who train the hard way look like a bunch of wimps when they wip out their wondertombs >:/

I personally don't care if some one uses AR of Pokesav so long as they don't do somthing like that.

 

If some one beats you because of wondertombs they didn't really win. All they did was hack.

 

All AR and Pokesav do is make make a persons life easier because it takes a while just to get a good nature and ability. Let alone EV and IV training.

 

I really don't care if the stats are 1 in each category. It is still unlegit because you are choosing the stats. It doesn't matter if it is OPed or UPed.

[Flame Dragon]

Legit means a fair or fair obtained PKMN. Unlegit is a hacked Pokemon with an ADVANTAGE.

So your saying ALL pokemon you get via PokeSav are unlegit. You then go on to say the above.

 

So your saying if I used PokeSav to get a Charizard with stats as follows

HP : 297

ATK 267

DEF 161

SPE: 268

SP.ATK: 254

SP.DEF: 206

it's unlegit' date=' but they don't meet your definition of unlegit because they don't have an advantage. So that would make them unlegit.

 

Besides their is no way to tell the difference between a PokeSav Pokemon or a normal one unless you were being stupid and did something along the lines of giving it a move it can't learn

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Yes, it is unlegit because you CHOSE THOSE STATS.

But you said it's unlegit if you do it to get an advantage. Most of those stats are easy to get.

So this would also be unlegit

HP : 297

ATK 204

DEF 192

SPE: 236

SP.ATK: 254

SP.DEF: 206

Also you're saying that it is unlegit if I use Pokesav to get a pokemon with 1 in every stat. That is just stupid.

 

I disapporve of AR and pokesav they make people who train the hard way look like a bunch of wimps when they wip out their wondertombs >:/

I personally don't care if some one uses AR of Pokesav so long as they don't do somthing like that.

 

If some one beats you because of wondertombs they didn't really win. All they did was hack.

 

All AR and Pokesav do is make make a persons life easier because it takes a while just to get a good nature and ability. Let alone EV and IV training.

 

I really don't care if the stats are 1 in each category. It is still unlegit because you are choosing the stats. It doesn't matter if it is OPed or UPed.

If I used pokesav to get this it's unlegit

Charizard

HP : 266

ATK 173

DEF 161

SPE: 205

SP.ATK: 223

SP.DEF: 175

 

But if I take a neutral nature Charmander and go from 1 to 100 via rare candies it would have atleast the same stats. So by doing it this way I am also choosing these stats because I know the end result and am choosing to do it, meaning I'm choosing those stats.

 

So in both cases I'm chossing my pokemon stats, but only the one is unlegit.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

I have 2 Pokemon, Pokemon A and Pokemon B. Both are the same species, are the same level, were hatched from an egg (or so says their data), both have the same stats, both have the same moves, both have the same gender. One was PokeSav'd, one was legit. Which one was PokeSav'd?

[Dark]

Same name? If so, it depends on the PKMN. Nickname? If so, it depends on the letters in the name. PokeSav distorts some of the letters.

[「tea.leaf」]

Same name? If so' date=' it depends on the PKMN. Nickname? If so, it depends on the letters in the name. PokeSav distorts some of the letters.

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I bring forth regards from the honorable Draco.

 

Listen up newbie. Here's what Pokemon are made of. Data. How certain sets of data are created is not an indication of their legitimacy. Whether their parameters are able to be obtained without editing said data is the question of legitimacy. I would know this' date=' I don't use PokeSav to hack my Pokemon. The codes are stupid and it's faster to just hack the data myself. Now, you're probably in awe, but it's NOT THAT F-CKEN' HARD. You just need to know which values are which (Pokemon, stats, name, gender etc). THAT BEING SAID, PokeSav is just a lame means of editing data to create parameters that you desire.

 

Knowing this, spending your life to get a Pokemon with certain stats is a stupid waste. It is IMPOSSIBLE to tell the difference between a hacked Pokemon and a legitimate Pokemon if the stats are legitimately obtainable. STOP BEING STUPID AND ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE WRONG.

 

Nothing is lost in the edits, no mess-ups are made unless it's your fault. If you do it correctly, you have an EXACT clone of whatever Pokemon.

 

END TOPIC.

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[Dark]

Actually, I think that PokeSavv is still considered an UNLEGIT Pokemon, no matter what Dragon says. You could have a Charizard level 99. When it levels up, the SP. ATK will go up by a somewhat random number based on the EVs. When you use PokeSav, it has nothing to do with EVS. You could take a Shuckle and give it 500 ATK and only 100 DEF and SP DEF. So that would be an unlegit PKMN. Even if it is in the stat ranges. And I am not wrong, until you can prove me wrong.

[Cyber Altair]

cheating bastards, play fair or play something else...

[Deucalion]

People still play Pokemon on a DS?

 

I thought everyone had migrated to Shoddybattle by now.

[Flame Dragon]

Actually' date=' I think that PokeSavv is still considered an UNLEGIT Pokemon, no matter what Dragon says. You could have a Charizard level 99. When it levels up, the SP. ATK will go up by a somewhat random number based on the EVs. When you use PokeSav, it has nothing to do with EVS. You could take a Shuckle and give it 500 ATK and only 100 DEF and SP DEF. So that would be an unlegit PKMN. Even if it is in the stat ranges. And I am not wrong, until you can prove me wrong.

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Ok, I'll prove you wrong.

The Shuckle is unlegit because it's ATK can't go that high.

 

When pokemon go to level 100 their final stat isn't random. It is based of it's IVs, EVs, Nature, and it's base stats. If you know these 4 things about a pokemon you will always know what it's fina; stats will be when it makes level 100.

 

I now will repeat what I said before.

If I used pokesav to get this it's unlegit

Charizard

HP : 266

ATK 173

DEF 161

SPE: 205

SP.ATK: 223

SP.DEF: 175

 

But if I take a neutral nature Charmander and go from 1 to 100 via rare candies it would have atleast the same stats. So by doing it this way I am also choosing these stats because I know the end result and am choosing to do it, meaning I'm choosing those stats.

 

So in both cases I'm chossing my pokemon stats, but only the one is unlegit.

[Dark]

How many times do I have to say this? Ok, do me a favor. Start a new file on a Pokemon game and get the starter. Based on all the info you have, tell me what SP ATK it will have at lvl 100. You will not know. In PokeSavv, you can choose the stats, so you WILL KNOW.

[yugi645]

As far as I can tell, if you use PokeSav on a pokemon, it will always be unlegit no matter what. Even if you get a pokemon so it will have the same stats as an average pokemon, it will still be unlegit. PokeSav is hacking, so every pokemon made by it is UNLEGIT. okay?

[Dark]

As far as I can tell' date=' if you use PokeSav on a pokemon, it will always be unlegit no matter what. Even if you get a pokemon so it will have the same stats as an average pokemon, it will still be unlegit. PokeSav is hacking, so every pokemon made by it is UNLEGIT. okay?

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Exactly what I am saying! PokeSavv is hacking. When you use AR, though, the stats are still random.

[Flame Dragon]

How many times do I have to say this? Ok' date=' do me a favor. Start a new file on a Pokemon game and get the starter. Based on all the info you have, tell me what SP ATK it will have at lvl 100. You will not know. In PokeSavv, you can choose the stats, so you WILL KNOW.

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I just said I can.

 

If I know it's IVs I will now the stats it will have at level 100 if I go from 5, or 1, right to level 100.

 

As far as I can tell' date=' if you use PokeSav on a pokemon, it will always be unlegit no matter what. Even if you get a pokemon so it will have the same stats as an average pokemon, it will still be unlegit. PokeSav is hacking, so every pokemon made by it is UNLEGIT. okay?

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do you agree that AR is also hacking?

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Exactly what I am saying! PokeSavv is hacking. When you use AR' date=' though, the stats are still random.

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Attention stupid person who I quoted:

There are Action Replay codes that modify wild Pokemon IVs.

There are Action Replay codes that modify wild Pokemon encounters.

There are Action Replay codes that modify wild Pokemon natures.

There are Action Replay codes that modify EVs gained when a vitamin is given.

There is an infinite Rare Candy code.

 

Stop being stupid. AR is just as bad as PokeSav, the only difference is that punching in all these codes individually is much more time consuming then just PokeSaving them.

[Dark]

Exactly what I am saying! PokeSavv is hacking. When you use AR' date=' though, the stats are still random.

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Attention stupid person who I quoted:

There are Action Replay codes that modify wild Pokemon IVs.

There are Action Replay codes that modify wild Pokemon encounters.

There are Action Replay codes that modify wild Pokemon natures.

There are Action Replay codes that modify EVs gained when a vitamin is given.

There is an infinite Rare Candy code.

 

Stop being stupid.

 

OK, so AR can choose stats for you. But if you only have the WILD POKEMON hack (the one where you discard heart scales to get a certain PKMN) the EVS, IVS and Stats are completly random. So attention, person who I quoted who quoted me, PokeSavv hacks as well. And it creates

 

UNLEGIT

 

Pokemon.

[Flame Dragon]

Exactly what I am saying! PokeSavv is hacking. When you use AR' date=' though, the stats are still random.

[/quote']

 

Attention stupid person who I quoted:

There are Action Replay codes that modify wild Pokemon IVs.

There are Action Replay codes that modify wild Pokemon encounters.

There are Action Replay codes that modify wild Pokemon natures.

There are Action Replay codes that modify EVs gained when a vitamin is given.

There is an infinite Rare Candy code.

 

Stop being stupid.

 

OK, so AR can choose stats for you. But if you only have the WILD POKEMON hack (the one where you discard heart scales to get a certain PKMN) the EVS, IVS and Stats are completly random. So attention, person who I quoted who quoted me, PokeSavv hacks as well. And it creates

 

UNLEGIT

 

Pokemon.

The only thing that you said that is random is IVs, but even breeding removes most of it's randomness.

 

Since AR does every thing Pika said all of the possible "randomness" is removed and, side from taking more time, is the same as PokeSavv

[Deucalion]

It is entirely possible, assuming you hack the PID correctly, to PokeSav a Pokemon even official tournaments won't realise it is hacked. Why?

 

Because it is exactly the same as a legit one down to the last detail. Meaning, the only difference between a good hack and the real McCoy is how long you spend on it. And I don't have the patience to spend 500+ hours breeding two pieces of binary numbers.

[+Jono]

Exactly what I am saying! PokeSavv is hacking. When you use AR' date=' though, the stats are still random.

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Attention stupid person who I quoted:

There are Action Replay codes that modify wild Pokemon IVs.

There are Action Replay codes that modify wild Pokemon encounters.

There are Action Replay codes that modify wild Pokemon natures.

There are Action Replay codes that modify EVs gained when a vitamin is given.

There is an infinite Rare Candy code.

 

Stop being stupid.

 

OK, so AR can choose stats for you. But if you only have the WILD POKEMON hack (the one where you discard heart scales to get a certain PKMN) the EVS, IVS and Stats are completly random. So attention, person who I quoted who quoted me, PokeSavv hacks as well. And it creates

 

UNLEGIT

 

Pokemon.

 

Ok, so what if you make a pokemon that's basically legit on the PokeSav. It has random EVs, IVs and Stats. That's the same as using the AR to get specific wild pokemon.

[Dark]

But in PokeSavv, nothing is random. Sure, you can MAKE the stats legit, but that is WAY different from getting a random Pokemon from ARDS itself.

[Flame Dragon]

But in PokeSavv' date=' nothing is random. Sure, you can [u']MAKE[/u] the stats legit, but that is WAY different from getting a random Pokemon from ARDS itself.

What do you mean?

 

If your using AR to get a wild pokemon than you could also put in the codes that Pika said and all the randomness is gone. This has been said many times.

[Guest Chaos Pudding]

The one argument that you keep falling back on is that, because wild Pokemon have random IVs and PokeSav Pokemon don't, that makes PokeSav unlegit by comparison, correct?

 

The only problem is that, when battling, you hardly ever use Pokemon you simply caught. You breed and breed and breed until you get a Pokemon with the exact IVs you desire. In effect, you are choosing the IVs of the Pokemon you are using, just like PokeSav. Note that, by soft-resetting, you can effectively choose the IVs and Nature of one-time-only Pokemon, too, so no use bringing them up.

 

What say you to this?

[+Jono]

But in PokeSavv' date=' nothing is random. Sure, you can [u']MAKE[/u] the stats legit, but that is WAY different from getting a random Pokemon from ARDS itself.

 

*cough*Random Number Generator*cough*

 

If you just say it is limited to numbers between 1 and 31 and make the number of generated integers 1 then you can get a random EV number. Just do that for everything. That way, you get it random. See, you can make legit from Pokesav.

 

Also, I wanna try out Ash's Pikachu. Can someone give me the stats/moves? Thanks. (I'm trying it on a ROM, so no harm done.)