Guest Chaos Pudding Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster_Reborn http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Premature_Burial http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Call_of_the_Haunted The question is simple: what should be done with the 3 generic revival cards? Should they be banned unilaterally for being (virtually) costless generic revival? Should they all be Unlimited? Should we deal with them on an individual basis? Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Premature, ATM, deserves to stay banned because of it's effect with Giant Trunade, ect. Call of the Haunted should be either Limited or stay banned because of it's ability to Special Summon on your opponent's turn. Monster Reborn atm is fine, IMO. Although they should at least reword it so it's only from your graveyard that way everybody stops having BF over the fact you can get your opponent's monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abstract [Atrocity] Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Prema is now broken with Brio and Arms Hole. Unless Prema or Brio is errata'd or Hole is limited, it might stay banned. MR, more broken than Prema (on it's own)... dunno where to put this. Guess if we get something back, this would definitely be outta here. COTH: Slow, but chainable. You can use it on Jinzo, but I rarely see anyone with a Jinzo anymore. Maybe we can get it back if we lose MR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Generic revival does not harm the game in any way. Expecting a "LOLSARCASM" disclaimer? You fail; this post is actually serious. Go figure out why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armageddonagain Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 I don't see why Pre was banned. I saw it as balanced(800 LP and revives only from your grave). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 I don't see why Pre was banned. I saw it as balanced(800 LP and revives only from your grave). Because if you use Giant Trunade, your monster stays on the field and you can use it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 I don't see why Pre was banned. I saw it as balanced(800 LP and revives only from your grave). Oh lawd. Not this again. Someone bust out the hammers and chopsticks, it's time to go hunting for some Crab copypasta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armageddonagain Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 I don't see why Pre was banned. I saw it as balanced(800 LP and revives only from your grave). Because if you use Giant Trunade' date=' your monster stays on the field and you can use it again.[/quote']Sorry, my computer was lagging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skuldur Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 I don't see why Pre was banned. I saw it as balanced(800 LP and revives only from your grave). Because if you use Giant Trunade' date=' your monster stays on the field and you can use it again.[/quote']Sorry, my computer was lagging. How does that explain how you failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Ban them all, make something like this: Monster Resurrection: Pay 2000 LP. Special Summon one monster from your Graveyard. You cannot Normal Summon or Set during the turn your activate this card. Monster Copy: Discard one card. Special Summon one monster from either players' graveyard. You cannot Normal or Set or attack during the turn this card is activated. When this card is activated, it is removed from play instead of being sent to the graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 If Monster Reborn had a discard cost I think it would be fine at three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 maybe they should make lightnign vortex/brain control versions of all 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Judgment Dragon Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 I think Generic revival needs to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. Prem will have to stay banned unless Brionac and Arms Hole get banned. Alone Prem has a relatively cheap cost. But why ban 2 cards so 1 card can be Limited. With Arms Hole and Brionac, Premature Burial is probably the most broken of the 3 but this is no reason for Monster Reborn and Call of the Haunted to not be dealt with. Monster Reborn. 1 for 1 revival. A cost-free effect. The most broken of the 3 by itself. This should get banned. It's simply cheap. Call of the Haunted. Broken and not broken at the same time. It needs to be on the field for a turn for it to be used making it the slowest of the 3. On the broken side of things, it allows a cost-free revival during the opponent's turn and in the Battle Phase which none of the other 2 offer. It could be at 1 and unharmful to the game. Of the 3, I would say Call of the Haunted is the least broken mainly because of the speed factor and the fact it doesnt conflict with too many cards. Monster Reborn needs to be banned because it is just really cheap and offers a huge reward for no cost. Not only that, it requires no skill to use. Premature Burial needs to stay banned unless Arms Hole and Brionac get dealt with but again, why ban 2 cards so a card can be at 1? Arms Hole alone lets you run 4 Premature Burial and Brionac and Giant Trunade add to this making Premature Burial super broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Ban them all' date=' make something like this: Monster Resurrection: Pay 2000 LP. Special Summon one monster from your Graveyard. You cannot Normal Summon or Set during the turn your activate this card. Monster Copy: Discard one card. Special Summon one monster from either players' graveyard. You cannot Normal or Set or attack during the turn this card is activated. When this card is activated, it is removed from play instead of being sent to the graveyard.[/quote'] This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
「tea.leaf」 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 I don't see why Pre was banned. I saw it as balanced(800 LP and revives only from your grave). Brionac, Giant Trunade, and Arms Hole. Happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Shocker Android Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Premature Burial : Last format in the OCG was fun while it lasted. Call of the Haunted : Never liked it. (except in my very old makyura/chick the yellow deck who didn't even last a month) Monster Reborn / Resurretion of the Dead : Yami Yugi's favorite card. They should have kept the original art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 It depends what sort of format you want. Monster Reborn punishes bad grave mangement however this is not a strong enough point to keep it limited. This top decked can turn a whole game. Premature should be banned on any list which allows arms hole or brioniac unbanned. This however is wrong to ban either of these as it would be banning 2 cards to allow one card to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 It depends what sort of format you want. The same applies to the Chaos monsters. Whether or not you ban them depends on what sort of format you want - a good one or a bad one. Monster Reborn punishes bad grave mangement ...in exactly the same way that Cyber Jar punishes bad field management. This however is wrong to ban either of these as it would be banning 2 cards to allow one card to stay. The 2-cards-versus-1-card argument isn't even close to the strongest argument in favour of banning Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusofChaos™ Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Monster Reborn punishes bad grave mangement ...in exactly the same way that Cyber Jar punishes bad field management. Read the whole sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Monster Reborn punishes bad grave mangement ...in exactly the same way that Cyber Jar punishes bad field management. Read the whole sentence I read it. That doesn't stop assertions of Monster Reborn's alleged punishment of allegedly bad grave management from being too stupid to warrant mention. It's like saying Fiber Jar punishes bad LP management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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