Nightmare Penguin and Adhesion Trap Hole

[armageddon08]

I think these two cards are overlooked. Discuss.

 

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Nightmare_Penguin

 

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Adhesion_Trap_Hole

[CrabHelmet]

They're overlooked because they're bad.

[armageddon08]

They're overlooked because they're bad.

Dude' date=' you can say that about every card, but that isn't the case here. Nightmare Penguin is a better GK Guard, and Adhession is a permanent Shrink.[/i']

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Wow I never would have expected to see this from you...

 

Nightmare Penguin: Penguin Soldier kicks this card's ass, and Grand Mole kicks both of their asses.

 

Adhesion Trap Hole: Can you explain a real-life scenario in which this card would be better than Bottomless?

[CrabHelmet]

They're overlooked because they're bad.

Dude' date=' you can say that about every card, but that isn't the case here. Nightmare Penguin is a better GK Guard, and Adhession is a permanent Shrink.

[/quote']

 

The only reason anybody has ever run Gravekeeper's Guard is that they wanted a fourth Gravekeeper's monster to go with the 3 copies of Gravekeeper's Spy that they were using as a tribute engine. Nightmare Penguin has slightly lower DEF and, more importantly, doesn't have "Gravekeeper's" in the name. It's terrible.

 

Adhesion is a Trap instead of a Quick-Play Spell and is activated in response to summons instead of whenever-you-feel-like-it, meaning that it's slower when you want to use it immediately and unable to reverse the effect of your opponent's attack when you want to use it to surprise the opponent. Being "permanent" means nothing, since the ATK-halving effect is only ever used to reverse the outcome of one battle, and never needs to be used for anything else. It's terrible.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

They're overlooked because they're bad.

Dude' date=' you can say that about every card, but that isn't the case here. Nightmare Penguin is a better GK Guard, and Adhession is a permanent Shrink.

[/quote']

 

The only reason anybody has ever run Gravekeeper's Guard is that they wanted a fourth Gravekeeper's monster to go with the 3 copies of Gravekeeper's Spy that they were using as a tribute engine. Nightmare Penguin has slightly lower DEF and, more importantly, doesn't have "Gravekeeper's" in the name. It's terrible.

 

Adhesion is a Trap instead of a Quick-Play Spell and is activated in response to summons instead of whenever-you-feel-like-it, meaning that it's slower when you want to use it immediately and unable to reverse the effect of your opponent's attack when you want to use it to surprise the opponent. Being "permanent" means nothing, since the ATK-halving effect is only ever used to reverse the outcome of one battle, and never needs to be used for anything else. It's terrible.

 

this and GK guard can be used for CCV and allure.

[CrabHelmet]

They're overlooked because they're bad.

Dude' date=' you can say that about every card, but that isn't the case here. Nightmare Penguin is a better GK Guard, and Adhession is a permanent Shrink.

[/quote']

 

The only reason anybody has ever run Gravekeeper's Guard is that they wanted a fourth Gravekeeper's monster to go with the 3 copies of Gravekeeper's Spy that they were using as a tribute engine. Nightmare Penguin has slightly lower DEF and, more importantly, doesn't have "Gravekeeper's" in the name. It's terrible.

 

Adhesion is a Trap instead of a Quick-Play Spell and is activated in response to summons instead of whenever-you-feel-like-it, meaning that it's slower when you want to use it immediately and unable to reverse the effect of your opponent's attack when you want to use it to surprise the opponent. Being "permanent" means nothing, since the ATK-halving effect is only ever used to reverse the outcome of one battle, and never needs to be used for anything else. It's terrible.

 

this and GK guard can be used for CCV and allure.

 

This, and Spellcasters have more support than Aquas.

[Skuldur]

You've got to be kidding me.

 

The reason someone overlooks cards is when they are bad.

 

stop failing pl0x

[Azure]

It depends on which deck there in.

[CrabHelmet]

It depends on which deck there in.

 

No.

[armageddon08]

You've got to be kidding me.

 

The reason someone overlooks cards is when they are bad.

 

stop failing pl0x

Don't do this fail pLoX crap, instead explain why you think they're bad:x.

[Guest Star]

Nightmare Penguin isn't that bad. It's like a more situational version of Compulsory Evacuation Device.

 

Adhesion Trap Hole is like a slower, more useless version of Shrink.

[armageddon08]

Nightmare Penguin isn't that bad. It's like a more situational version of Compulsory Evacuation Device.

 

Adhesion Trap Hole is like a slower' date=' more useless version of Shrink.

[/quote']Thank you for at least seing why one of the two isn't that horrible:).

[CrabHelmet]

Nightmare Penguin is always outclassed by other options.

[armageddon08]

Nightmare Penguin is always outclassed by other options.

But he's not completely useless:).

[The Dark One]

Use him if your don't have a Grand Mole and don't a have a Gravekeeper's Guard and don't have a Penguin Soldier and don't have an Emergency Evacuation Device and for some reason just must use a bounce effect.

 

 

In other words, don't use him.

[CrabHelmet]

This reminds me of Atem's comment about The Tricky.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Nightmare Penguin is always outclassed by other options.

But he's not completely useless:).

 

He's not worth playing in comparison to a cavalcade of other vastly superior cards.

[Flame Dragon]

Both cards suck becuase both are out classed by other cards.

[werewolfjedi]

This reminds me of Atem's comment about The Tricky.

 

and what was that exactly?

I think the tricky is fine. a little weak for the discard' date=' but all in all, a reasonable card.[hr']

This reminds me of Atem's comment about The Tricky.

 

and what was that exactly?

I think the tricky is fine. a little weak for the discard' date=' but all in all, a reasonable card.

[/quote']

 

and on the two cards:

a) peg should not be played in almost all situations. star boy is a better choice for pump, and solideris better at releaving monsters of their front line position.

 

b) this is crap because you can destroy the trap, it only works when it is summoned, and doesn't force the monster to do something stupid, like attack or something.

[CrabHelmet]

This reminds me of Atem's comment about The Tricky.

 

and what was that exactly?

I think the tricky is fine. a little weak for the discard' date=' but all in all, a reasonable card.

[/quote']

 

Here's the quote:

 

There are better choices in every last matter of contention' date=' barring decks based around Lv5 or higher WIND Spellcaster-Type monsters.

 

There is no logical reason to run decks based around Lv5 or higher WIND Spellcaster-Type monsters.

[/quote']

 

Just about the same applies here. Unless you make the conditions absurdly specific, you never have any real reason to run the cards in this topic over the logical alternatives.

[werewolfjedi]

This reminds me of Atem's comment about The Tricky.

 

and what was that exactly?

I think the tricky is fine. a little weak for the discard' date=' but all in all, a reasonable card.

[/quote']

 

Here's the quote:

 

There are better choices in every last matter of contention' date=' barring decks based around Lv5 or higher WIND Spellcaster-Type monsters.

 

There is no logical reason to run decks based around Lv5 or higher WIND Spellcaster-Type monsters.

[/quote']

 

Just about the same applies here. Unless you make the conditions absurdly specific, you never have any real reason to run the cards in this topic over the logical alternatives.

 

glad to help make your point.