Show respect YCM

[Sparta™]

How am I insulting him? Many people take advantage of it anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

[Sander]

The thing is that, I don't care. Never did, never will.

 

And yeah, having freedom is nice, but, what I meant was that if somebody won/lost, we wouldn't be here.

 

And they really didn't fight for me, they fought for themselves/their crazy dictators.

[PrometheusMFD]

Yeah, but not caring is as bad as killing the soldiers themselves, as it is their deaths that allowed you to have your freedom.

And not every soldier fights for himself. The most any soldier has fought for since WWI is his life. It is what he was fighting that allowed our freedoms to come to pass.

[Guest King of Games]

If you don't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them.

 

^Saw it on a bumper sticker, so i can't take all the credit for it

 

I do support our troops in Afghanistan and hope they return alive. What i dont support are the politians who send them off to fight.

[PrometheusMFD]

If you don't stand behind our troops' date=' feel free to stand in front of them.[/b']

 

I do support our troops in Afghanistan and hope they return alive. What i dont support are the politians who send them off to fight.

 

This is probably the most relevant quote in this thread.

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I whole-heartedly agree with you!

[The Dark One]

people don't see it that way' date=' people see the war as heroic and brave because men and women risk their lives, so maybe since like gay people aren't risking their lives, people don't take it as serious

[/quote']

 

What?!

 

I risk my life everyday just by walking out my door, as does everyone else.

 

Going into to war, doesn't show heroicness, it shows stupidity, and another way to make money.

It has nothing to do with being brave.

 

Yeah. I would say that going to somewhere you've never been to kill people and get shot at would require no bravery as well.

 

Also, war doesn't make money. It costs money. Lots of money. It costs.

 

And walking outside the door isn't risking your life. If you got into a car-accident on the way to work, it wouldn't be because you risked your life, it'd just be because you went outside and drove a car at the wrong time. Risking your life is knowingly putting your life in a dangerous situation for the benefit of yourself or others. Not being killed by an unexpected force on a normal day of your normal life.

 

Learn the definition of the word risk. He does risk his life every time he walks out the door, however, it is worth considering the ridiculously small amount of risk associated with such an action compared to that of being shipped off into combat.

 

War loses the government (not the taxpayers, because Bush is retarded and borrows from China) a shitload, but the people in power often times makes money off of it. (eg. Haliburten and Cheney.)

 

*ahem*

 

I really don't see the reason why tho' date=' the World Wars didn't really involve you, and you shouldn't really care about stuff that haven't involved you in any way.

 

And don't go saying that I really should pay respects to the people who died in the war, because I won't, I don't care for them in anyway.

 

And I know, if my grandparents/their parents etc. etc. would have died in the war, I wouldn't even be here, typing this post, living my own life, as I don't even care, better of not being born.

[/quote']

Don't be a prick. Of course the soldiers that fought in World War 1 and 2 matter.

 

You do realize that alot of those soldiers who fought in the world wars died to make it so that you have the freedom to say those things. I wont force my views on you' date=' but I will give my side of the argument.

As I see it, hed we not fought in WWI, we would have been either overrun by Germans and I would be typing in German normally rather than to mess with my English teacher, or we would have been left alone and all of Europe would have been either Germany or Russia.

In WWII, had we not fought Germany, we would all be Nazi's, the Jewish religion would be removed from all society, and I would still be typing in German.

Had we fought Germany and not Japan, Japan would have used their Nuclear Bomb (which it has been confirmed they had, Germany admitted to giving them their plans for it) and I would be typing in Japanese.

The soldiers in Korea fought to save millions of South Koreans.

The soldiers in Vietnam... okay, I don't know enough about that war to say anything

The soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan fought to rid terrorists from ruling over there, and attacking over here.

You may have not known them personally, but they fought for you. I think that is a damn good enough reason to pay your respect.

[/quote']

I hope by "we" you don't simply mean "America." America helped in WW2, but there's no way of knowing that our presence in either war would have affected the outcome.

 

Also, I call bullshist on the Japanese bomb claim. They had not significantly made progress towards the development of a bomb, though they certainly had a program for its creation. Had there been no resistance, there would have been no need. If things had played out the way they have, they would have (and have been) defeated prior to the construction of one.

 

Also, it is worth mentioning the fact that Japan had attempted to surrender to us, but we didn't accept it, because we wanted to demonstrate our power to Russia, who was already becoming a huge rival of ours, by nuking them. The Japanese sent letters asking for surrender, with only the requirement that their Emperor must not be put to death. We said no, that they must surrender unconditionally. You must understand that the Japanese practically worship their Emperor, they would not allow him to come to harm. Also, the Japanese Emperor had little to do with the war, it was the Prime Minister orchestrating it. Our refusal to accept their surrender because it wasn't unconditional was basically the veiled threat of the murder of their Emperor. They worshipped him, thus they didn't surrender. That's why we did what we did, we wanted to show Russia how powerful we had become.

 

Onto your comments on Iraq: No. Iraq was not ruled by terrorists. It was ruled by a dictator. Saddam was a bad guy, but being a bad guy doesn't automatically equate one with being a terrorist. Saddam didn't fund terrorism, unlike Iran. Saddam was not involved in 9/11 or Al'Queda (He's Sunni and Al'Queda's Shiite, they're worst enemies. Not to mention, he just wasn't religious and didn't care about their idiotic dogma.)

 

Iraq did nothing to prevent terrorists to attack over here. Neither did it punish terrorists for attacking over here. In fact, the invasion of Iraq is the REASON that terrorism is now a threat there. We blew the country we open when we removed the secular dictator who ruled with an iron fist and stamped out such religious extremism. Let's face it, Saddam knew how to protect his borders.

 

Iraq never had Nuclear Weapons. Don't bother getting into that, the CIA told Bush there was insufficient reason to take action against Iraq. Bush only went in on the word of some random guy who claimed he saw mobile nuclear facilities. It turned out he was just bullshisting to get some money for talking.

 

There are plenty of other countries with dictators. Do we go liberating those? No. We can't afford to go to war in order to remove a dictator, so the freedom fighting argument doesn't work either.

 

people don't see it that way' date=' people see the war as heroic and brave because men and women risk their lives, so maybe since like gay people aren't risking their lives, people don't take it as serious

[/quote']

 

What?!

 

I risk my life everyday just by walking out my door, as does everyone else.

 

Going into to war, doesn't show heroicness, it shows stupidity, and another way to make money.

It has nothing to do with being brave.

 

A few things wrong with that post,

1.) you can't make lots of money by being a soldier.

2.) war is heroic, only the bravest people fight for our freedom, to show that America is the land of the free, to keep our land the land of oppurtunity, the land of liberty, and the home of the whopper. ^_^

3.) You barely risk death by walking out a door, or at least where I live.

While the troops are brave in doing what they do, do not delude yourself to such an extreme that you don't realize that there are other factors involved in joining: A. Brainwashing, and B. It's basically the perfect job, in that they're very likely to be employed. The military has a shortage of recruits, not an overflow.

 

 

I do support our troops in Afghanistan and hope they return alive. What i dont support are the politians who send them off to fight.

Great quote. That's basically the heart of it. This war is wrong, terrible, and pointless, but that doesn't mean I'm disrespecting the troops. They're putting their life on the line in order to attempt to protect our freedom. (However deluded they may be in believing that the War in Iraq in any way protects our freedom.)

[Willieh]

people don't see it that way' date=' people see the war as heroic and brave because men and women risk their lives, so maybe since like gay people aren't risking their lives, people don't take it as serious

[/quote']

 

What?!

 

I risk my life everyday just by walking out my door, as does everyone else.

 

Going into to war, doesn't show heroicness, it shows stupidity, and another way to make money.

It has nothing to do with being brave.

 

Yeah. I would say that going to somewhere you've never been to kill people and get shot at would require no bravery as well.

 

Also, war doesn't make money. It costs money. Lots of money. It costs.

 

And walking outside the door isn't risking your life. If you got into a car-accident on the way to work, it wouldn't be because you risked your life, it'd just be because you went outside and drove a car at the wrong time. Risking your life is knowingly putting your life in a dangerous situation for the benefit of yourself or others. Not being killed by an unexpected force on a normal day of your normal life.

 

Learn the definition of the word risk. He does risk his life every time he walks out the door, however, it is worth considering the ridiculously small amount of risk associated with such an action compared to that of being shipped off into combat.

 

War loses the government (not the taxpayers, because Bush is retarded and borrows from China) a shitload, but the people in power often times makes money off of it. (eg. Haliburten and Cheney.)

Allow me to further explain what I meant by "He's not risking his life." Of course he is risking his life. But, by waking up in the morning I'm risking my life because I could fall off the bed and undergo serious concussion. I could go to bed at night and strangle on my Ipod Headset. I could go to school one day and have a book fall off a shelf and hit the back of my head while I'm bent down doing all the retarded sheet loads of work they give us, for no apparent reason, and have my cerebellum seriously injured resulting in my death. I could be eating pop-corn and choke to death on a kernel.

 

These are all possible outcomes. But I wouldn't considering any daily ritual 'Risking your life' as if you are some kind of hero who doesn't afraid of anything because you do the same normal sheet everyone else does.

 

And if you do consider yourself to be risking your life when you do these daily rituals, please let your ego deflate just a little bit, just so you can see how stupid what you are saying really is.

[The Dark One]

people don't see it that way' date=' people see the war as heroic and brave because men and women risk their lives, so maybe since like gay people aren't risking their lives, people don't take it as serious

[/quote']

 

What?!

 

I risk my life everyday just by walking out my door, as does everyone else.

 

Going into to war, doesn't show heroicness, it shows stupidity, and another way to make money.

It has nothing to do with being brave.

 

Yeah. I would say that going to somewhere you've never been to kill people and get shot at would require no bravery as well.

 

Also, war doesn't make money. It costs money. Lots of money. It costs.

 

And walking outside the door isn't risking your life. If you got into a car-accident on the way to work, it wouldn't be because you risked your life, it'd just be because you went outside and drove a car at the wrong time. Risking your life is knowingly putting your life in a dangerous situation for the benefit of yourself or others. Not being killed by an unexpected force on a normal day of your normal life.

 

Learn the definition of the word risk. He does risk his life every time he walks out the door, however, it is worth considering the ridiculously small amount of risk associated with such an action compared to that of being shipped off into combat.

 

War loses the government (not the taxpayers, because Bush is retarded and borrows from China) a shitload, but the people in power often times makes money off of it. (eg. Haliburten and Cheney.)

Allow me to further explain what I meant by "He's not risking his life." Of course he is risking his life. But, by waking up in the morning I'm risking my life because I could fall off the bed and undergo serious concussion. I could go to bed at night and strangle on my Ipod Headset. I could go to school one day and have a book fall off a shelf and hit the back of my head while I'm bent down doing all the retarded s*** loads of work they give us, for no apparent reason, and have my cerebellum seriously injured resulting in my death. I could be eating pop-corn and choke to death on a kernel.

 

These are all possible outcomes. But I wouldn't considering any daily ritual 'Risking your life' as if you are some kind of hero who doesn't afraid of anything because you do the same normal s*** everyone else does.

 

And if you do consider yourself to be risking your life when you do these daily rituals, please let your ego deflate just a little bit, just so you can see how stupid what you are saying really is.

 

Note that there is a difference between risking your life beyond normal conditions for a cause (or just because you're impulsive) and the everyday risks attached to life. Obviously, I don't compliment myself on my own bravery each morning when I get out of bed. I was just showing you how wasted your previous paragraph was when it was, in essence, wrong, and at a more practical level, unneccessary since you could have simply stated that the point of the phrase is different than they literal definition and told him to shove off.

[Willieh]

people don't see it that way' date=' people see the war as heroic and brave because men and women risk their lives, so maybe since like gay people aren't risking their lives, people don't take it as serious

[/quote']

 

What?!

 

I risk my life everyday just by walking out my door, as does everyone else.

 

Going into to war, doesn't show heroicness, it shows stupidity, and another way to make money.

It has nothing to do with being brave.

 

Yeah. I would say that going to somewhere you've never been to kill people and get shot at would require no bravery as well.

 

Also, war doesn't make money. It costs money. Lots of money. It costs.

 

And walking outside the door isn't risking your life. If you got into a car-accident on the way to work, it wouldn't be because you risked your life, it'd just be because you went outside and drove a car at the wrong time. Risking your life is knowingly putting your life in a dangerous situation for the benefit of yourself or others. Not being killed by an unexpected force on a normal day of your normal life.

 

Learn the definition of the word risk. He does risk his life every time he walks out the door, however, it is worth considering the ridiculously small amount of risk associated with such an action compared to that of being shipped off into combat.

 

War loses the government (not the taxpayers, because Bush is retarded and borrows from China) a shitload, but the people in power often times makes money off of it. (eg. Haliburten and Cheney.)

Allow me to further explain what I meant by "He's not risking his life." Of course he is risking his life. But, by waking up in the morning I'm risking my life because I could fall off the bed and undergo serious concussion. I could go to bed at night and strangle on my Ipod Headset. I could go to school one day and have a book fall off a shelf and hit the back of my head while I'm bent down doing all the retarded s*** loads of work they give us, for no apparent reason, and have my cerebellum seriously injured resulting in my death. I could be eating pop-corn and choke to death on a kernel.

 

These are all possible outcomes. But I wouldn't considering any daily ritual 'Risking your life' as if you are some kind of hero who doesn't afraid of anything because you do the same normal s*** everyone else does.

 

And if you do consider yourself to be risking your life when you do these daily rituals, please let your ego deflate just a little bit, just so you can see how stupid what you are saying really is.

 

Note that there is a difference between risking your life beyond normal conditions for a cause (or just because you're impulsive) and the everyday risks attached to life. Obviously, I don't compliment myself on my own bravery each morning when I get out of bed. I was just showing you how wasted your previous paragraph was when it was, in essence, wrong, and at a more practical level, unneccessary since you could have simply stated that the point of the phrase is different than they literal definition and told him to shove off.

 

 

I figured that this would be an obvious thing. :|

 

Basically I was saying that, but using a paradigm.

[「tea.leaf」]

ITT: Bloodrun attention-whores and attempts to be intelligent.

[Black Rose Phoenix®]

Nah, i'm not trying to be intelligent, i just like to show my respect to the people that died fighting for us...

[The Dark One]

Nah' date=' i'm not trying to be intelligent, i just like to show my respect to the people that died fighting for us...[/color']

Are you Bloodrun? (No, you're not)

[Enrise]

Wars are pointless, mainly caused by Religion, and that there is always an arguement about which religion is right, and which isn't. We all have our beliefs, but some people fail to see that fact. America is a free country, almost too free in certain ways, but it accpets the fact that what ever religion you are in America, people can respect it.

 

Why can't the Wars turn into a Card Game, for an example, Yu-Gi-Oh. It's a card game that requires stretegy, and the fact that you need enough maturity to accept that you lost/won. If you can't accept that, then there is something wrong with you.

 

However wars need to be senseless, full of bloodthirsty people, that shed so much blood, kill innocent lives, and be suicidal to kill your enemys is the bad side. You have a life that you can live, but people spend it on pointless stuff, like, for an example, crimes, wars, and everything relavent.

 

I can understand our ancestors from long ago, but this is the 21st century, and people still have yet to realize that wars are just a returning vengeful massacre agaisnt your enemys, back and forth, back and forth, and back and forth, again, again, and again.

 

For those those who understand this post, please, tell me that you agree with me, if not, they either you are a senseless killer with no life, or that you just can't udnerstand this post.

 

If you had the time to read this post, I well appriciate that, and that is something I can well respect for everyone who read this post. For those didn't read this post, or anyother post for that matter, and just randomly say something about this thread without even a word they are saying, then get out, really, this is a serious thread.

 

Enough has been said from me abou this Topic.

 

~The Enrise of Darkness

[-DG-]

Wars are brought upon us and brought upon others by us. When we win, we shout with joy, but when we lose, our nation mourns.

 

Just as a great time will come, a horrible time will come after that.

WW1 is the great metaphor to this.

 

I am an American, even if my main heritage is 6 different races.

I salute those who died, and those who served their time.

 

As all will eventually experience a period of time where all is dreadful, I encourage all members of YCM to be proud of their country, and to enjoy their life to the fullest.

 

 

I say this in a sad notion, and I speak the truth in my words. Never have I posted something like this before.people should honor their great troops, no matter what country they're in..

 

I salute all of the past, present, and future soldiers of the U.S.

 

God Bless America and all nations of the world..

 

~ Dark Rose

[Shrekstasy]

I was listening to this song while reading the thread. It's not the song that's important, it's the fact that the creater used WWII footage from the National Archives in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm0G9FkRgrI&NR=1

A song that should have been used in the above video:
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gp7uwPEL9Q]Rise Against - Hero of War [link][/url]

[quote='Black Rose Phoenix®' pid='1353749' dateline='1226662940']
[color=#008000]Nah, i'm not trying to be intelligent, i just like to show my respect to the people that died fighting for us...[/color]
[/quote]
Don't try to be. Be.

[Cyber Altair]

Onto your comments on Iraq: No. Iraq was not ruled by terrorists. It was ruled by a dictator. Saddam was a bad guy' date=' but being a bad guy doesn't automatically equate one with being a terrorist. Saddam didn't fund terrorism, unlike Iran. Saddam was not involved in 9/11 or Al'Queda (He's Sunni and Al'Queda's Shiite, they're worst enemies. Not to mention, he just wasn't religious and didn't care about their idiotic dogma.)

 

[b']Lemme put facts straight, Sunni's and Shiite don't hate each other they just see things from different views like Catholics and Protestants do in Christianity (little vague here =\). But your right, Saddam never was religious, I myself believe the only reason he claims to be a Muslim is to make sure he stayed in control of Iraq. Just wanted to clear that misunderstanding =D[/b]

[The Dark One]

Onto your comments on Iraq: No. Iraq was not ruled by terrorists. It was ruled by a dictator. Saddam was a bad guy' date=' but being a bad guy doesn't automatically equate one with being a terrorist. Saddam didn't fund terrorism, unlike Iran. Saddam was not involved in 9/11 or Al'Queda (He's Sunni and Al'Queda's Shiite, they're worst enemies. Not to mention, he just wasn't religious and didn't care about their idiotic dogma.)

 

[b']Lemme put facts straight, Sunni's and Shiite don't hate each other they just see things from different views like Catholics and Protestants do in Christianity (little vague here =\). But your right, Saddam never was religious, I myself believe the only reason he claims to be a Muslim is to make sure he stayed in control of Iraq. Just wanted to clear that misunderstanding =D[/b]

It is true that they are simply different denominations that really aren't that separate from each other. In America, Sunni and Shiite Muslims get along just fine. In the Middle East, the extremist factions of either group are practically at war with each other. In Iraq, Saddam suppressed the Shiite majority to please militant Sunnis, etc.

[Cyber Altair]

Onto your comments on Iraq: No. Iraq was not ruled by terrorists. It was ruled by a dictator. Saddam was a bad guy' date=' but being a bad guy doesn't automatically equate one with being a terrorist. Saddam didn't fund terrorism, unlike Iran. Saddam was not involved in 9/11 or Al'Queda (He's Sunni and Al'Queda's Shiite, they're worst enemies. Not to mention, he just wasn't religious and didn't care about their idiotic dogma.)

 

[b']Lemme put facts straight, Sunni's and Shiite don't hate each other they just see things from different views like Catholics and Protestants do in Christianity (little vague here =\). But your right, Saddam never was religious, I myself believe the only reason he claims to be a Muslim is to make sure he stayed in control of Iraq. Just wanted to clear that misunderstanding =D[/b]

It is true that they are simply different denominations that really aren't that separate from each other. In America, Sunni and Shiite Muslims get along just fine. In the Middle East, the extremist factions of either group are practically at war with each other. In Iraq, Saddam suppressed the Shiite majority to please militant Sunnis, etc.

 

Actually most of the extremist factions ARE made of Shiite's only. I believe Al-Qaudia's a Sunni faction =P

[The Dark One]

Al'Queda is a Shiite faction. (Thus Saddam disliked them. That's only in addition to his dislike for religious extremism.)

 

Shiites are actually in the strong minority. Iran and Iraq are practically the only countries in the world with a majority Shiite population, if I remember correctly.

[Cyber Altair]

Al'Queda is a Shiite faction. (Thus Saddam disliked them. That's only in addition to his dislike for religious extremism.)

 

Shiites are actually in the strong minority. Iran and Iraq are practically the only countries in the world with a majority Shiite population' date=' if I remember correctly.

[/quote']

 

Iran and Pakistan are mainly Shiite's actually. Iraq has a good amount as well as Lebanon but about 1/3 of the population only.

[ŞťřïЖЄѓ™]

*sniff*

Those people who died in the wars died for us so we could live in peace.

I hope they Rest in peace.*sniff*

I show some respect for them,Great idea for the thread.

People,show some respect.They died for us so we could live in peace.

*sniff**sniff* *sniff* I don't really know this but It could be possible someone in my family died in the war,like my Dad's friend.But,I don't know.

[Cyber Altair]

I seriously hope you were sarcastic in that post =\

[The Dark One]

Al'Queda is a Shiite faction. (Thus Saddam disliked them. That's only in addition to his dislike for religious extremism.)

 

Shiites are actually in the strong minority. Iran and Iraq are practically the only countries in the world with a majority Shiite population' date=' if I remember correctly.

[/quote']

 

Iran and Pakistan are mainly Shiite's actually. Iraq has a good amount as well as Lebanon but about 1/3 of the population only.

 

Yeah, lol, I said Iran. Pakistan might be mostly Shiite as well, I don't really know. I'm just saying that the majority of Mulims are actually Sunni. :)