Disciple of the Fobidden Spell

[Skarlet]

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Disciple_of_the_Forbidden_Spell

 

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Any use in today's meta, Deciple Dad sounds interesting

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Why does everyone always want to add everything to DAD? I mean, it's a broken card and all, but adding it to every deck is just disgusting.

[Skarlet]

it was a suggestion, and when you think about it, Deciples and Dad would probably fail anyway, all the same this isnt the "why is dad in my Gravekeeper deck" or what ever thread, so yeah deciple, current meta uses, and whatnot?

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

You might be able to throw it into Lightsworns, since they dump into the Grave. But I don't know.

[Saiyan Knight]

Yeah, it's a Light. It has the luxury of Reinforcement of the Army. That's kind of cool for all decks EXCEPT Lightsworn. Dark Armed runs a couple Reinforcement anyway, but it wouldn't drop them fast enough, and it's only good with at least 1 in the Graveyard.

 

I would say Lightsworn is probably your best bet, yeah. =/ He'll, I'd tech in a single Reinforcement of the Army too. It doesn't have a lot of pluses, but it could be whimsical.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Saiyan Knight, you don't think about such a thing as deck editing, do you? How many Level 4 or lower Warriors do Lightsworns run, do you think? The only reason they don't run Reinforcement is because they don't have all Warriors, and their search card is better. But if they added more Warriors, having Reinforcement would be better.

 

It's terrible to put into DAD, since they don't need the deck to be cluttered with more non-DARK, based on your reasoning. They already have a lot of monsters that aren't DARK.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

I tried this in LS. It was actually pretty good. I usually drew one by the time the other two were in the grave. Good fodder for Incarnation if you end up getting more than one too.

 

And in fun decks, it goes nicely with Generation Shift.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Actually, I think Disciple was already put in an LS deck on this site.

[Saiyan Knight]

Saiyan Knight' date=' you don't think about such a thing as deck editing, do you? How many Level 4 or lower Warriors do Lightsworns run, do you think? The only reason they don't run Reinforcement is because they don't have all Warriors, and their search card is better. But if they added more Warriors, having Reinforcement would be better.

 

It's terrible to put into DAD, since they don't need the deck to be cluttered with more non-DARK, based on your reasoning. They already have a lot of monsters that aren't DARK.

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Yeah, I do, actually. And I know that the milling for Charge of the Light Brigade is better than three Reinforcement at once. It will NEVER be better in Lightsworn.

[CrabHelmet]

Lightlords don't run a whole lot of low-level Warriors anyhow - there's probably just some combination of Garoth, Jain, and/or Ehren in there somewhere. Oh, and there's Necro Gardna, but when I think of cards that I want to add to my hand, he's not the first thing that comes to mind. So, outside of this card, basically all of the Warriors you'd want to search with ROTA are Chargeable. Charge, on the other hand, always also allows you to snag your better cards like Lumina, Celestia, and Lyla (amongst other things), which means that it not only gives you access to more of your Lightlords but also to your better Lightlords. Oh, and let's not forget the mill. Lightlords do kind of like having mill in there.

 

Then, consider that this card is another Warrior Dai Grepher until another copy of him is already in the graveyard - not the most taxing condition for a Lightlord deck, but it does cut consistency, especially in the first couple of turns, in which he is liable to be a dead draw. Then, consider that Ally of Justice - Catastor already does the same thing against non-DARKs, that Jain will be running over most of the little guys your opponent is using without relying on having another Jain in the grave and while providing mill, and that Honest lets you run over absolutely everything anyhow.

 

He might be more somewhat useful if his effect worked defensively as well as offensively, since at least the opponent might be forced to spend a bit of removal on him, even if that removal was just something as simple as a DAD bullet, if all of their big monsters were of the wrong Attribute. But no, instead the effect only works when this card attacks - a weakness that Catastor does not share.

 

How many Level 4 or lower Warriors do Lightsworns run' date=' do you think?

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A few of the worse Lightlords, plus Necro Gardna.

 

That's not much.

 

They already have a lot of monsters that aren't DARK.

 

And aside from Stratos, how many of those don't go in the Extra Deck?

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Then' date=' consider that this card is another Warrior Dai Grepher until another copy of him is already in the graveyard - not the most taxing condition for a Lightlord deck, but it does cut consistency, especially in the first couple of turns, in which he is liable to be a dead draw. Then, consider that Ally of Justice - Catastor already does the same thing against non-DARKs, that Jain will be running over most of the little guys your opponent is using without relying on having another Jain in the grave and while providing mill, and that Honest lets you run over absolutely everything anyhow.

 

[b']Catastor is useless against most of DAD's cards (neglecting the fact that we don't have the card), with the exception of a few that might be used. On the other hand, Disciple could bash into a DAD, giving you the ability to have monsters that aren't 2800+ ATK on the field to make a comeback after you were cleared out. And it's still a 1700 ATK beatstick either way, which is enough to mow down some cards your opponent might Summon. And it can take down or suicide into the supposedly all-powerful Stronghold Weapon (not that you were saying it). Plus, it doesn't require 2 or more cards, one of being a specific type of card, to bring out.[/b]

 

He might be more somewhat useful if his effect worked defensively as well as offensively, since at least the opponent might be forced to spend a bit of removal on him, even if that removal was just something as simple as a DAD bullet, if all of their big monsters were of the wrong Attribute. But no, instead the effect only works when this card attacks - a weakness that Catastor does not share.

 

It's not a very good choice, no. But I was just trying to think of a deck that it could be used in that might be Meta. Comparatively, it would be better, in my mind, than in a DAD deck. Maybe used in an Oppression deck, but not likely at all based on the fact that it requires other copies being in the Graveyard, and would only freeze up the process the deck was attempting to accomplish.

 

A few of the worse Lightlords, plus Necro Gardna.

 

That's not much.

It's still searchable. I'd rather be able to search out some of the "worse Lightlords" and a few other cards in my deck over none at all.

 

 

And aside from Stratos, how many of those don't go in the Extra Deck?

Off the top of my head, there was at least 1. But the deck has seemfully changed since the last time they used it (and that I read), so I can't give you an exact reference to any other cards than Psychic Commander.

[CrabHelmet]

Then' date=' consider that this card is another Warrior Dai Grepher until another copy of him is already in the graveyard - not the most taxing condition for a Lightlord deck, but it does cut consistency, especially in the first couple of turns, in which he is liable to be a dead draw. Then, consider that Ally of Justice - Catastor already does the same thing against non-DARKs, that Jain will be running over most of the little guys your opponent is using without relying on having another Jain in the grave and while providing mill, and that Honest lets you run over absolutely everything anyhow.

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Catastor is useless against most of DAD's cards

 

Preposterous. I heard that DAD decks "already have a lot of monsters that aren't DARK".

 

with the exception of a lot that might be used.

 

Fixed. :o

 

Anyhow' date=' Lightlords also have easy access to Goyou, who runs over almost everyone, as well as the ability to snag any one of a number of Level 8 Synchro Monsters you care to name, who pretty much can run over everyone.

 

On the other hand, Disciple could bash into a DAD, giving you the ability to have monsters that aren't 2800+ ATK on the field to make a comeback after you were cleared out.

 

Lightlords have Celestia, Judgment Dragoon, Honest, and any number of Synchro Monsters you care to get out with Zombie Carrier - all of which can do exactly the same thing.

 

And it's still a 1700 ATK beatstick either way' date=' which is enough to mow down some cards your opponent might Summon. And it can take down or suicide into the supposedly all-powerful Stronghold Weapon (not that you were saying it).

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Come on, let's be honest with ourselves here. Lightlords don't need another beatstick. Look at the Lightlords that people use:

 

Judgment Dragoon - I kill you with my effect or my ATK.

Celestia - I kill you with my effect or my ATK. (The effect, to be fair, won't kill DSW.)

Wulf - I run right over you.

Jain - I run right over you.

Garoth - I run right over you.

Lyla - I suicide into you.

Lumina - I summon one of them, and they right over you.

Ryko - I kill you with my effect. (Can't remember if this works on DSW.)

Honest - Hi, I'm not a Lightlord, but I make them run over everyone.

Carrier - Hi, I'm not a Lightlord either, but I Tune with them to summon stuff that runs over everyone.

 

The only Lightlords left over are Ehren and Aurkus.

 

Yeah, Lightlords aren't exactly lacking in the monsters-with-ATK department.

 

Plus' date=' it doesn't require 2 or more cards, one of being a specific type of card, to bring out.

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He does require two cards to use effectively - himself, and the other himself in the grave. Sure, you can use him as a beatstick without the other himself, but you can do the same with just one of the intended Synchro Material Monsters.

 

He might be more somewhat useful if his effect worked defensively as well as offensively' date=' since at least the opponent might be forced to spend a bit of removal on him, even if that removal was just something as simple as a DAD bullet, if all of their big monsters were of the wrong Attribute. But no, instead the effect only works when this card attacks - a weakness that Catastor does not share.

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It's not a very good choice, no. But I was just trying to think of a deck that it could be used in that might be Meta. Comparatively, it would be better, in my mind, than in a DAD deck. Maybe used in an Oppression deck, but not likely at all based on the fact that it requires other copies being in the Graveyard, and would only freeze up the process the deck was attempting to accomplish.

 

Lightlords are almost certainly one of the best decks in which to use this guy, if not the best. He's just not good enough for them.

 

A few of the worse Lightlords' date=' plus Necro Gardna.

 

That's not much.

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It's still searchable. I'd rather be able to search out some of the "worse Lightlords" and a few other cards in my deck over none at all.

 

That sounds sensible until you remember that, in order to squeeze in the ROTA(s) (not to mention the the copies of this guy), you're going to need to drop one or more other cards. Odds are, the cards you could be using are more useful than something that searches out your monsters, but only your least useful monsters.

[iAmNateXero]

Charge can only grab 4 and below crab. In reference to...

So' date=' outside of this card, basically all of the Warriors you'd want to search with ROTA are Chargeable. Charge, on the other hand, always also allows you to snag your better cards like Lumina, [b']Celestia,[/b] and Lyla (amongst other things), which means that it not only gives you access to more of your Lightlords but also to your better Lightlords.

 

@ Topic: I would rather run Asura Priest myself. Its just something about smacking up That counter picked Colossal fighter over and over again that makes me feel all bubbly inside.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Preposterous. I heard that DAD decks "already have a lot of monsters that aren't DARK".

I only said that to make a point of the statement that was made before me. It wasn't as much saying that they did literally have too many' date=' but that they apparently wouldn't need more based on what the other said.[/b']

 

Anyhow, Lightlords also have easy access to Goyou, who runs over almost everyone, as well as the ability to snag any one of a number of Level 8 Synchro Monsters you care to name, who pretty much can run over everyone.

 

Yes, that is true. But it is a Synchro, and therefore will not always be available. Plus, as I stated, I was only giving reasons for why it would be run in this deck rather than another Meta deck.

 

Lightlords have Celestia, Judgment Dragoon, Honest, and any number of Synchro Monsters you care to get out with Zombie Carrier - all of which can do exactly the same thing.

You can't have too many cards that enable you to destroy opponent's monsters. Unless it's like the whole deck. But that just isn't the case here. If all you had was 5 Monarchs, Fissure, Lightning Vortex, and Smashing Ground, do you think you could still fit in some control cards? People used to run 3 Smashings, and possibly multiples of Fissure. They also ran Nobleman along with that, but they didn't have too much destroying cards.

 

Come on, let's be honest with ourselves here. Lightlords don't need another beatstick.

 

No, they don't, but I feel they would benefit more from having this beatstick in ther deck, which at least follows somewhat of their theme, than something like DAD, which doesn't really mill much anyway would.

 

He does require two cards to use effectively - himself, and the other himself in the grave. Sure, you can use him as a beatstick without the other himself, but you can do the same with just one of the intended Synchro Material Monsters.

When examining it that way, the cards are much easier to bring out than would be for others. All you have to do is mill, and then Normal Summon the Disciple. Circumstance could be slightly different, but it's still highly possible to pull of this two-card combo with less effort than placing a card back on top of your deck after a mill, and having a monster of a specific Level on the field.

 

That sounds sensible until you remember that, in order to squeeze in the ROTA(s) (not to mention the the copies of this guy), you're going to need to drop one or more other cards. Odds are, the cards you could be using are more useful than something that searches out your monsters, but only your least useful monsters.

 

Yes, that does make sense. I have never run a Lightlord deck, nor have I been very interested in using them, so I don't know exactly what I'd want to remove for the cards, and therefore can't say too much on this subject. However, I can say that the card you remove being better is subject to circumstance.

[CrabHelmet]

Anyhow' date=' Lightlords also have easy access to Goyou, who runs over almost everyone, as well as the ability to snag any one of a number of Level 8 Synchro Monsters you care to name, who pretty much can run over everyone.

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Yes, that is true. But it is a Synchro, and therefore will not always be available. Plus, as I stated, I was only giving reasons for why it would be run in this deck rather than another Meta deck.

 

Considering the number of Level 4 monsters used in Lightlords and the ease in Summoning Zombie Carrier (especially given mill), getting Goyou out would probably be easier than getting out this guy with his effect.

 

Lightlords have Celestia' date=' Judgment Dragoon, Honest, and any number of Synchro Monsters you care to get out with Zombie Carrier - all of which can do exactly the same thing.

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You can't have too many cards that enable you to destroy opponent's monsters. Unless it's like the whole deck. But that just isn't the case here. If all you had was 5 Monarchs, Fissure, Lightning Vortex, and Smashing Ground, do you think you could still fit in some control cards? People used to run 3 Smashings, and possibly multiples of Fissure. They also ran Nobleman along with that, but they didn't have too much destroying cards.

 

Pure 1-for-1 Spell-based removal is a different matter entirely; it is less situational and does not consume a Normal Summon.

 

Come on' date=' let's be honest with ourselves here. Lightlords don't need another beatstick.

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No, they don't, but I feel they would benefit more from having this beatstick in ther deck, which at least follows somewhat of their theme, than something like DAD, which doesn't really mill much anyway would.

 

Lightlords can certainly make better use of this card than Tele-DAD can. They can also probably make better use of Elemental Hero Neos Alius than Tele-DAD can. I still wouldn't use Neos Alius in Lightlords.

 

He does require two cards to use effectively - himself' date=' and the other himself in the grave. Sure, you can use him as a beatstick without the other himself, but you can do the same with just one of the intended Synchro Material Monsters.

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When examining it that way, the cards are much easier to bring out than would be for others. All you have to do is mill, and then Normal Summon the Disciple. Circumstance could be slightly different, but it's still highly possible to pull of this two-card combo with less effort than placing a card back on top of your deck after a mill, and having a monster of a specific Level on the field.

 

There's just one problem: You're far more likely to have a Level 4 monster in your hand or field (especially since Lightlords run lots of Level 4's, plus Charge) than you are to have this specific monster in your hand.

 

That sounds sensible until you remember that' date=' in order to squeeze in the ROTA(s) (not to mention the the copies of this guy), you're going to need to drop one or more other cards. Odds are, the cards you could be using are more useful than something that searches out your monsters, but only your least useful monsters.

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Yes, that does make sense. I have never run a Lightlord deck, nor have I been very interested in using them, so I don't know exactly what I'd want to remove for the cards, and therefore can't say too much on this subject. However, I can say that the card you remove being better is subject to circumstance.

 

Perhaps.

 

Perhaps not.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Considering the number of Level 4 monsters used in Lightlords and the ease in Summoning Zombie Carrier (especially given mill)' date=' getting Goyou out would probably be easier than getting out this guy with his effect.

 

[b']That really depends. Either way, it would cost more cards to have Goyo because you must have a way of Summoning the Level 4, then having Zombie in the grave, and finally a card to put on top of your deck, or another way of Summoning Zombie. On the other hand, you would only require 1 Summon and 1 mill to have a Disciple with an effect.[/b]

 

Pure 1-for-1 Spell-based removal is a different matter entirely; it is less situational and does not consume a Normal Summon.

 

Not really a good example on my part, but I was just trying to give an example. If you had the ability to have Snipe Hunter at more than 1, you probably wouldn't mind having more of it than 1 when you have other ways of destroying monsters.

 

Lightlords can certainly make better use of this card than Tele-DAD can. They can also probably make better use of Elemental Hero Neos Alius than Tele-DAD can. I still wouldn't use Neos Alius in Lightlords.

 

Ah, but Alius is only a pure beatstick, and therefore cannot be compared to a card who has secondary functions. It only has 200 less ATK, too, so it's not much of a better beatstick.

 

Perhaps.

 

Perhaps not.

Some would say that having Ehren is less important than having Reinforcement. Some might not. It really depends on preference.

 

Anywho, I do see your points in what you say, but I'm still tired from staying up until 1, so I'm gonna have to say I'm gonna stop arguing (though it was really more of a debate). We both agreed on what really mattered in this, anyway. I don't really think that Disciple should be run in Lightlord decks, either. As you can probably tell, I just like arguing obscure points sometimes. Like why you would run Marmot.

[CrabHelmet]

Pure 1-for-1 Spell-based removal is a different matter entirely; it is less situational and does not consume a Normal Summon.

 

Not really a good example on my part' date=' but I was just trying to give an example. If you had the ability to have Snipe Hunter at more than 1, you probably wouldn't mind having more of it than 1 when you have other ways of destroying monsters.

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Snipe Hunter isn't situational.

 

Lightlords can certainly make better use of this card than Tele-DAD can. They can also probably make better use of Elemental Hero Neos Alius than Tele-DAD can. I still wouldn't use Neos Alius in Lightlords.

 

Ah' date=' but Alius is only a pure beatstick, and therefore cannot be compared to a card who has secondary functions. It only has 200 less ATK, too, so it's not much of a better beatstick.

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My point was that X goes in A better than it goes in B does not imply that A should run X.

 

Perhaps.

 

Perhaps not.

 

Some would say that having Ehren is less important than having Reinforcement. Some might not. It really depends on preference.

 

Ehren is already one of the only ROTA targets in your deck; dropping her weakens ROTA even more.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

Well, those weren't exactly my points, but I'll just go with you on that. I should read the newest deck lists and duels.

[Spiff!]

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Disciple is one of my favorites.I've been looking for an excuse to use him.

Lightswarrior deck......Lightsworn+warrior.

i can't make either fully,so i'll make a combo deck![/align]

[Azure]

Why does everyone always want to add everything to DAD? I mean' date=' it's a broken card and all, but adding it to every deck is just disgusting.

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No it isn't.

[Dad]

Why does everyone always want to add everything to DAD? I mean' date=' it's a broken card and all, but adding it to every deck is just disgusting.

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No it isn't.

 

This is why I said

 

"Ya FAIL."

 

I'd like to see you make a DaD Frog deck. >.> Tell me it isn't disgusting!

[Azure]

Why does everyone always want to add everything to DAD? I mean' date=' it's a broken card and all, but adding it to every deck is just disgusting.

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No it isn't.

 

This is why I said

 

"Ya FAIL."

 

I'd like to see you make a DaD Frog deck. >.> Tell me it isn't disgusting!

 

OK maybe not every deck. ^.^

[CrabHelmet]

DAD's obnoxious splashability is one of its strengths.

[Skarlet]

DAD's obnoxious splashability is one of its strengths.

 

DAD is one of those things where you go "oh Im facing a Warrior Toolbox, might as well side out the anti-DADish stuff in here" and get 2 dropped on you in as many turns....

 

personaly I like that, but back on topic please ppl

[CrabHelmet]

personaly I like that

 

Go play trad.