werewolfjedi Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 unless you declare it and they don't activate it, then you get 1 attack. you can't stop the declaration of what has been already declared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 unless you declare it and they don't activate it' date=' then you get 1 attack. you can't stop the declaration of what has been already declared.[/quote'] Except that the declaration cannot occur before you get a chance to activate during the Start Step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 unless you declare it and they don't activate it' date=' then you get 1 attack. you can't stop the declaration of what has been already declared.[/quote'] Except that the declaration cannot occur before you get a chance to activate during the Start Step. you mean main phase's 1 end step?after you declare you move to battle phase, that is when they must choose to activate it, as that signifies it is the end step of main phase one, and you are moving to your battle now. after that moment, you regain priority, and you may declare your first attack, or play a quick play/ trap. if you attack, the attack has been already declared and can not be un-declared by threat. it is like removing the button to fire the missile, after you have pressed it once. 2 judges agreed with me at my Friday locals, and it was made known that declaring battle phase allows one attack when roar is used to counter when the first attack is declared after that. now people declare it here, and it actually did not effect overall play, but it does make a difference in a few matches every week.on another note, I am not saying Roar is a bad card, it is great at its job, I am saying that you must choose to ether activate it when they declare they move to battle phase, or chance taking 1 hit. but since most people allways attack anyway, it is usally activated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 unless you declare it and they don't activate it' date=' then you get 1 attack. you can't stop the declaration of what has been already declared.[/quote'] Except that the declaration cannot occur before you get a chance to activate during the Start Step. you mean main phase's 1 end step?after you declare you move to battle phase, that is when they must choose to activate it, as that signifies it is the end step of main phase one, and you are moving to your battle now. after that moment, you regain priority, and you may declare your first attack, or play a quick play/ trap. if you attack, the attack has been already declared and can not be un-declared by threat. it is like removing the button to fire the missile, after you have pressed it once. 2 judges agreed with me at my Friday locals, and it was made known that declaring battle phase allows one attack when roar is used to counter when the first attack is declared after that. now people declare it here, and it actually did not effect overall play, but it does make a difference in a few matches every week.on another note, I am not saying Roar is a bad card, it is great at its job, I am saying that you must choose to ether activate it when they declare they move to battle phase, or chance taking 1 hit. but since most people allways attack anyway, it is usally activated. The Start Step is part of the Battle Phase, not the Main Phase, and gives the opponent a chance to activate cards like Threatening Roar before any attacks even have a chance to be declared. Hence, the only way for the opponent to attack through your Threatening Roar is if you explicitly pass during the Start Step and then later decide to activate it during the Battle Step; however, this move is sufficiently illogical that it is unlikely to occur unless the user of Threatening Roar does not know that he has the option to activate Threatening Roar during the Start Step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 unless you declare it and they don't activate it' date=' then you get 1 attack. you can't stop the declaration of what has been already declared.[/quote'] Except that the declaration cannot occur before you get a chance to activate during the Start Step. you mean main phase's 1 end step?after you declare you move to battle phase, that is when they must choose to activate it, as that signifies it is the end step of main phase one, and you are moving to your battle now. after that moment, you regain priority, and you may declare your first attack, or play a quick play/ trap. if you attack, the attack has been already declared and can not be un-declared by threat. it is like removing the button to fire the missile, after you have pressed it once. 2 judges agreed with me at my Friday locals, and it was made known that declaring battle phase allows one attack when roar is used to counter when the first attack is declared after that. now people declare it here, and it actually did not effect overall play, but it does make a difference in a few matches every week.on another note, I am not saying Roar is a bad card, it is great at its job, I am saying that you must choose to ether activate it when they declare they move to battle phase, or chance taking 1 hit. but since most people allways attack anyway, it is usally activated. The Start Step is part of the Battle Phase, not the Main Phase, and gives the opponent a chance to activate cards like Threatening Roar before any attacks even have a chance to be declared. Hence, the only way for the opponent to attack through your Threatening Roar is if you explicitly pass during the Start Step and then later decide to activate it during the Battle Step; however, this move is sufficiently illogical that it is unlikely to occur unless the user of Threatening Roar does not know that he has the option to activate Threatening Roar during the Start Step. it does seem to change things but if you think about it, it doesn't, the declaring of the battle phase should really be enough. (at least it is to my judges.) to imply that main one is ending and battle is starting. even with your start step included. it is still the same situation. I give indication that battle is beginning, and it is now your time to activate what ever you may have to stop me if that is how your particular card works. to use the start step as a way around it is really just spliting hairs and being a rules lawer. you can use it if you want, but that kind of BS is just going to get the judges called an absurd amount. it's like saying that mind crush doesn't work when I said caius and you didn't discard it because I didn't say the full name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 It's not at all like that. It would not be you (the person who is supposedly splitting hairs here), but your opponent who is committing the BS. Did your opponent pass priority in Main Phase 1, wait for a response, then pass priority in the Start step, and wait for a response? If not, then your opponent is not giving you the chance to make an action. It's like you summoning a monster then immediately attacking and saying it's too late to activate Torrential Tribute. I'm sorry, but follow the funking rules. Abbreviations ARE ok, but all parties must be aware that these ARE abbreviations, and will thus modify their sense of rules accordingly. Basically, if your opponent declares an attack, Threatening Roar, for all intent and purposes within an abbreviated version of Yugioh, will negate that attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Mind Crush has specific rulings covering abbreviations. There are no specific rulings saying "The Start Step only exists when I feel like it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted February 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 So, who of you actually says:"I end Main Phase one in order to move on to the Battle Phase. Before I move on to the Battle Phase, I must pass the priority to the opposing player, which is you. Would you like to activate a Trap or Quick-Play Spell card, now that priority is in you possesion?"Seriously, you have to be a funking retard to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Mind Crush has specific rulings covering abbreviations. There are no specific rulings saying "The Start Step only exists when I feel like it". and you didn't get what I meant. it was more so on the you don't technically have to discard "caius the shadow monarch" because all I said was caius since I assumed you aren't a complete idiot. I meant that the declaration of the start of the battle phase is' date=' from my point of view, the end step of main one, and the start step of battle. it shouldn't have to be this long drawn out process where I declare every single little step of every phase. and if you have been reading all of my posts, you would also notice that I mentioned it doesn't effect the game play that much, it just adds in a phrase said before an actual attack, and it becomes the point where most people just activate threatening or anything else that is used before the actual attacks start to stop them. it actually helps more than hurts, and no one (here) uses it to bully newer players into getting hit. and to the dark one, use some common sense, and actually read what I wrote, it isn't about rushing through to make it not possible to use a card, it is about proper timing of cards and doing things that allow it to happen correctly.[Did your opponent pass priority in Main Phase 1, wait for a response, then pass priority in the Start step, and wait for a response.'] yes, that is basically what I am doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 and to the dark one' date=' use some common sense, and actually read what I wrote, it isn't about rushing through to make it not possible to use a card, it is about proper timing of cards and doing things that allow it to happen correctly.[Did your opponent pass priority in Main Phase 1, wait for a response, then pass priority in the Start step, and wait for a response.'] yes, that is basically what I am doing.Then why the funk are you complaining? You're doing exactly what you should be doing. If you say "Battle Phase..." (Give time for a response) and then say 'I attack with ____" You're fine. You were properly abbreviating play. The start step happens immediately in the battle phase, so as long aas they have time to activate a card before you declare an attack, they have their chance. Additionally, if they wanted to activate something in the Main Phase 1, they can speak up and say so. It's no diferent than someone saying "Your turn" and his opponent saying "During your end phase I ___" The player moved on, but because he technically doesn't have the right to do so, the opponent can basically say too bad. If you're already giving time for the Roar to be activated, than you misunderstood everything that has been said in this thread. I'm arguing against the people that attack without declaring their battle phase, because THEY didn't allow the opponent the option of activating Threatening Roar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 and to the dark one' date=' use some common sense, and actually read what I wrote, it isn't about rushing through to make it not possible to use a card, it is about proper timing of cards and doing things that allow it to happen correctly.[Did your opponent pass priority in Main Phase 1, wait for a response, then pass priority in the Start step, and wait for a response.'] yes, that is basically what I am doing.Then why the f*** are you complaining? You're doing exactly what you should be doing. If you say "Battle Phase..." (Give time for a response) and then say 'I attack with ____" You're fine. You were properly abbreviating play. The start step happens immediately in the battle phase, so as long aas they have time to activate a card before you declare an attack, they have their chance. Additionally, if they wanted to activate something in the Main Phase 1, they can speak up and say so. It's no diferent than someone saying "Your turn" and his opponent saying "During your end phase I ___" The player moved on, but because he technically doesn't have the right to do so, the opponent can basically say too bad. If you're already giving time for the Roar to be activated, than you misunderstood everything that has been said in this thread. I'm arguing against the people that attack without declaring their battle phase, because THEY didn't allow the opponent the option of activating Threatening Roar.sorry, I guess I misunderstood. I think I was going a bit more at crab anyway, so I don't think it is that big of a problem since you seem to be helping me with this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I dont feel like reading the second page so I mgiht eb saying something that has already been said... Threatening roar will stop glads' date=' but waboku can be used to help glads. when you really think about it, thr roar is better[/quote'] Yes, but what do you prefer:Nothing or Waboku?Guess that's an easy choice. You should be running Roar over Waboku in the first place, so you'd never have to make any choice involving Waboku. Of course you should. Threatening Roar > Mirror Force > Waboku(Except against Ancient Gear Decks.)Fixed. I think (s)he is desperately grasping for something to be proven right. I mainly don't like Threatening Roar because everyone around here says goes "I enter my Battle Phase and attack with -----." It sucks. They don't give anybody time to use Threatening Roar. And' date=' judges just say that I'm too slow and that I need to be faster. So, I started using Waboku. If I started playing with people who don't do that, I would gladly use Threatening Roar instead.[/quote'] Your opponent must ask you if you have a response upon declaring that they enter battle phase. If they do not you can have a Judge called over and it can result in a game loss (which happened to me today xD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Anyways, you must first give your opponent priority before ending MP1. If you say "I enter the Battle Phase" without having declared the end of MP1, you can still say "during the end of MP1, I activate.."Am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Threatening Roar > Mirror Force > WabokuFixed. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Threatening Roar > Mirror Force > WabokuFixed. No. Why is Threatening > Mirror? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hyperion Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Threatening Roar > Mirror Force > WabokuFixed. No. Why is Threatening > Mirror? This format is all about Chainable cards. Mirror Force can only be actviated when an opponent's attacks during the Battle Phase, but since DAD blows it suring Main Pahse 1 or Stardust simply negates it, Mirror has no change activating it's effect. Threatening Roar can be activated anytime, thus DAD wastes 1 ammo on it and Stardust won't be able to negate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 The same goes for Waboku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Gold Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I think they are tied, Wabaku can be used if you have a Flipper, and Threatning roar if your opponent has a card that's effect activates when it attacks. You can activate both whenever so I don't know exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 You can activate both whenever Read Roar.Try running Waboku against GBs. See how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted February 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 You can activate both whenever Read Roar.Try running Waboku against GBs. See how it goes. No! He'll get pwned to death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 run wabaku not vs. GB. works fine. problem: GB is fairly rampant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted February 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 run wabaku not vs. GB. works fine. problem: GB is fairly rampant. In think Waboku can be played IN a GB Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 run wabaku not vs. GB. works fine. problem: GB is fairly rampant. In think Waboku can be played IN a GB Deck. not what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted February 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 run wabaku not vs. GB. works fine. problem: GB is fairly rampant. In think Waboku can be played IN a GB Deck. not what I meant. I know. But it could come in handy at some moments, wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevalier Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I know. But it could come in handy at some moments' date=' wouldn't it?[/quote'] You'd be hard pressed to find a moment when it wouldn't be useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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