OFFICIAL LEAKED MARCH 1ST BANLIST

[Smeg]

These are my feelings...

 

 

Banned

(Unknown or Non-existent) -- I bet JDs on this' date='[b']DAMN RIGHT HE IS![/b] and they haven't the heart to tell anyone.

 

Limited

Goyo Guardian -- Dammit. I like it at 3.

Chaos Sorcerer -- Stupid, STUPID move. After some use, it'll just get banned again.

Reinforcement of the Army -- WHY? Wrong card to limit. This should go back where it came WHOS WITH ME! *Puts up hand*

Card of Safe Return -- Makes sense, seeing as they're killing off all good draw power.

Mezuki -- Meh. Who cares?Poor ZOmbies :(

Emergency Teleport -- EVERYONE knew that was coming, although Krebons is the real problem here.

Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Boundary -- Seriously, who uses 3 anyway?

Dark Armed Dragon -- Move up a list, dammit!

Gladiator Beast Bestiari -- BAN FREAKIN' GYZARUS! MHmm

Plaguespreader Zombie -- Nooooooo...

 

Semi-Limited

Destiny Hero - Malicious -- This is just being indecisive.

Green Baboon, Defender of the Forest -- Wouldn't there be a loop?

Allure of Darkness -- Kill the draw power. That's right, kill it. I DARE YOU, KONAMI.

Gold Sarcophagus -- Selling point.

Ultimate Offering -- Great. More OTKs.

Raiza the Storm Monarch -- Dammit, I hate this card.

Destiny Draw -- Culling the draw power won't help.

Mind Crush -- Meh.

Goblin Zombie -- Should've been limited.

 

Unlimited

Book of Moon -- FINALLY.

Nobleman of Crossout -- FINALLY.

Manticore of Darkness -- WHY?

Twin-Headed Behemoth -- WTF?

Phantom of Chaos --WHY?

 

 

 

I ha-a-ate this list.

Eh i can't be bothered thinking about im only affected with card of safe return. Ruins like all bloody OTKs

[Killey]

CoSR does deserve to be banned in the first place due to the fact that there are so many various deck types that abuse it. Limiting the card makes it less abusable however it's a free +1 upon SSing from your Graveyard, which is a benefit anyways, so the draw 1 is icing on the cake.

 

Zombie World alone is not a broken card it's the other cards that generate that synergy that makes it abusable. It is not Mezuki alone that is blamed hence why the new core zombie cards all got hit. The fact of the matter is Mezuki had far too much versatility and synergy with other decks besides zombies that made him overpowered. As I mentioned before he was a key part to Synchro swarming with zombies but in general he gave free monster resurrection in a Zombie Deck without any detrimental cost. His RFG costs allows you to use Burial with a Different Dimension to send him back to the Graveyard and recycle his effect furthering the swam capabilities. You know just as well I do that he is an abusable card and banning everything that makes him abusable is not the answer at all. Mezuki broke the other cards not the other way around.

 

Tutoring results in a 1 for 1 trade so you don't lose any hand presence and you thin your deck by 1. Normally a tutor card like RotA is fine by itself as it's not reusable. What makes GZ offensive is the fact it's a reusable tutor card in monster form. He's a dark attribute making him compatible with other dark support cards. He gets tuned for a synchro monster, which in turn nets you a free zombie from your deck and the usual choices are ZM, Mezuki, or PZ. All 3 of those cards can lead into Synchro Swarms, which is what Konami is trying to slow down. If synchros didn't exist Mezuki would have been fine but because Konami made the Synchro mechanic so easy these hits have to be made.

 

Konami can cash in on DKD and RKH more so then E-Hero Neo Bubbleman.

 

I didn't say E.tele was ban worthy but it was definitely something that needed to be hit. Dropping a Goyo Guardian/Stardust/Thought Ruler/Colossal Fighter's at a moments notice is not acceptable and yes this is because Konami made the Synchro Mechanic far too easy. You can't fix the synchro mechanic now but you can fix the cards that abuses the mechanic.

 

Gyaz should have been banned for sure but as I said limiting Bestiarii only hurts the Gyaz plays but that's been completely replaced with the Rescue Cat->Sanmite combos. All they've done by doing this is changing the focus of the GB deck.

 

D-Draw's may be +0 but you essentially thinning out your deck in the process to draw into your key combos faster than your opponent can. Furthermore, it sets up for dropping DAD at a moment's notice for game. DAD needs to be banned already but it still doesn't change the fact that the D-Hero draw engine is a good back bone of any Dark based Deck. If DAD dies then you still capitalize on the other Dark variants such as Darklord Zerato.

 

Gold Sarc is offensive because it allows you to tutor ANY CARD. Yes a 2 turn delay is a big deal in the current format due to the speed of OTK/FTK's but this ban list has dramatically slowed the biggest offender of that. Tutoring monsters is one thing but tutoring anything is detrimental to the game. A generic card that could benefit a low tier deck can potentially benefit a top tier deck even more. Banning the top cards is what everyone wants but because they aren't banned you have to prevent the abuses.

[Dream]

Tele-DAD just died! But bestiari too! That is just sad. And with JD still at 2, my Judgement Plants are going to be just as good.

[Tickle Me Emo]

My opinions:

 

Banned

(Unknown or Non-existent) - Im speechless

 

Limited

Goyo Guardian - Meh I expected this. Im not sure if it deserves to be at 1 but at the same time its a 2800 lv 6 synchro so its hard to get around and easy to get out.

Chaos Sorcerer - ......... WHY?!

Reinforcement of the Army - Stupid move. RotA is in no way bad for the meta

Card of Safe Return - Shoulda been banned' date=' to easily abused, although the new list will lower its abuse

Mezuki - Shouldnt have been limited, its good support for a good type but its not game winning or broken.

Emergency Teleport - Bad call. They are hitting good support for a bad type. This is not a problem for the meta.

Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Boundary - NEEDS THE FREAKIN BANHAMMER!

Dark Armed Dragon - ^look there

Gladiator Beast Bestiari - Meh its not the real problem but it does stop the real problem. I woulda prefered that Gyzarus got banned cause really this didnt do much. 1 Bestiari isnt gonna kill the whole deck.

Plaguespreader Zombie - Meh this isnt gonna do much. Most people play it at 1 anyway

 

Semi-Limited

Destiny Hero - Malicious - Unbroken card getting treated like a broken card -.-

Green Baboon, Defender of the Forest - Not quite sure cause I never took the time to find out what this card does.

Allure of Darkness - Stupid move. Its a good draw card for a good attribute, nothing more.

Gold Sarcophagus - This is only to sell GS2 nothing more.

Ultimate Offering - bad move, Ulti Offerings shoulda stayed at 1

Raiza the Storm Monarch - =D Yay +1 for my Oppression Monarch =D

Destiny Draw - Hit good support for a decent archtype, but didnt hit the real problem

Mind Crush - a step into a better meta.

Goblin Zombie - hit good support for a good type. Really doesnt make much sense however

 

Unlimited

Book of Moon - =D Another +1 for my oppression monarchs. Its a step in teh right direction

Nobleman of Crossout - I dont see why it was limited in the first place

Manticore of Darkness - Im indifferent about this one

Twin-Headed Behemoth - I dont think it should be above 1

Phantom of Chaos - Im indifferent about this one

 

Overall thoughts: +2 to my oppression monarch but now we live in a meta controlled by Plaguesworn and Plants... FUN!

[/quote']

 

Nobleman of Crossout is banworthy because it kills Flip Effect Monsters rendering them basically useless.

 

I still hate the next Ban List but it is certainly better than the last one (as bad as it still is).

 

Meh I wasnt playing when NoC was seeing play so I didnt see it really do much. But I guess your right.

[Akira]

Looks like a slower format ahead.. I wonder if it will still be worth running Oppression Monarchs..?

 

I think after all these changes, Oppressions would almost be better left to the side deck... but still, 2 Raizas FTW!

[Curium]

CoSR does deserve to be banned in the first place due to the fact that there are so many various deck types that abuse it. Limiting the card makes it less abusable however it's a free +1 upon SSing from your Graveyard' date=' which is a benefit anyways, so the draw 1 is icing on the cake.

Agreed.

 

Zombie World alone is not a broken card it's the other cards that generate that synergy that makes it abusable. It is not Mezuki alone that is blamed hence why the new core zombie cards all got hit. The fact of the matter is Mezuki had far too much versatility and synergy with other decks besides zombies that made him overpowered. As I mentioned before he was a key part to Synchro swarming with zombies but in general he gave free monster resurrection in a Zombie Deck without any detrimental cost. His RFG costs allows you to use Burial with a Different Dimension to send him back to the Graveyard and recycle his effect furthering the swam capabilities. You know just as well I do that he is an abusable card and banning everything that makes him abusable is not the answer at all. Mezuki broke the other cards not the other way around.

I'm not sure about this, so I'll agree with you.

 

Tutoring results in a 1 for 1 trade so you don't lose any hand presence and you thin your deck by 1. Normally a tutor card like RotA is fine by itself as it's not reusable. What makes GZ offensive is the fact it's a reusable tutor card in monster form. He's a dark attribute making him compatible with other dark support cards. He gets tuned for a synchro monster, which in turn nets you a free zombie from your deck and the usual choices are ZM, Mezuki, or PZ. All 3 of those cards can lead into Synchro Swarms, which is what Konami is trying to slow down. If synchros didn't exist Mezuki would have been fine but because Konami made the Synchro mechanic so easy these hits have to be made.

Monsters like Stratos, Gadgets give +1 on summoning, I don't see people complaining about Big City or Gadget decks.

 

Konami can cash in on DKD and RKH more so then E-Hero Neo Bubbleman.

We're not talking about why Konami did this, we're talking about how bad this will be to the game. They're obviously not banning the new cards so the new packs will still sell.

Point is, just because banning this card will kill another card does not justify it from being banned. Anti-Raigeki needed Raigeki to be of any use, but nobody will unban Raigeki for it.

 

I didn't say E.tele was ban worthy but it was definitely something that needed to be hit. Dropping a Goyo Guardian/Stardust/Thought Ruler/Colossal Fighter's at a moments notice is not acceptable and yes this is because Konami made the Synchro Mechanic far too easy. You can't fix the synchro mechanic now but you can fix the cards that abuses the mechanic.

Of course, the logical ideal choice would be banning Stardust/Thought Ruler/Goyo and remake them as specific ones.

I understand that it will be impossible and limiting E-Tele and Semi Malicious would be the best option from Konami's financial viewpoint.

 

Gyaz should have been banned for sure but as I said limiting Bestiarii only hurts the Gyaz plays but that's been completely replaced with the Rescue Cat->Sanmite combos. All they've done by doing this is changing the focus of the GB deck.

Which is why limiting Bestiari was pointless. :/

 

D-Draw's may be +0 but you essentially thinning out your deck in the process to draw into your key combos faster than your opponent can. Furthermore, it sets up for dropping DAD at a moment's notice for game. DAD needs to be banned already but it still doesn't change the fact that the D-Hero draw engine is a good back bone of any Dark based Deck. If DAD dies then you still capitalize on the other Dark variants such as Darklord Zerato.

The D-HERO does not necessarily have to be used in a DARK-based deck. For example, Perfect Circle. It does take up around a quarter of deck slots though. Without Allure, and the easily splashed Disc Commander banned and Malicious semi'd, the number of D-HERO you can maindeck without affecting your strategy reduces.

Allure's required deck dedication is a joke though. I kind of think Allure deserves to be banned, it's too generic. :/

 

Gold Sarc is offensive because it allows you to tutor ANY CARD. Yes a 2 turn delay is a big deal in the current format due to the speed of OTK/FTK's but this ban list has dramatically slowed the biggest offender of that. Tutoring monsters is one thing but tutoring anything is detrimental to the game. A generic card that could benefit a low tier deck can potentially benefit a top tier deck even more. Banning the top cards is what everyone wants but because they aren't banned you have to prevent the abuses.

What top tier decks need it? Tele DAD can search stuff via E-Tele and RoTA(Hopefullly, it'll be unbanned on September... -_-). LS mills and uses Charge of the Light Brigade. Zombie has Goblin Zombie. Plants have Lonefire Blossom.

"because they aren't banned you have to prevent the abuses." is exactly why everyone is complaining the banlists. They're limiting tuners and friends instead of synchros, they're killing the Tele part of TeleDAD instead of the DAD part, etc.

Oh well, this game is a business so financial benefits > metagame status.

 

Big wall of text. D:

[lordtyson]

this cant be for real

i will not belive it untill someone finds a link

on this

[Sartorius]

Lordtyson: This IS the list. Learn and love it. Why don't you believe it?

 

 

Slow-ER being the key word here guys.

 

Lightsworn is FAIRLY easy to play against once you know HOW to play against it. I personally have no problem once I've sidedecked against it.

 

 

Oppression Monarchs: I'm not so sure atm. I know I won't be, as I've never owned a royal oppression (Shortprinted over here I think) and I don't like the whole timing of it.

[tonisanoob]

ffs the list is real, lets all quit complaning about it beign bad as its a helluva lot better than the list we have for the next 2 weeks!

 

idc if ls wernt hit, they arnt that hard to beat now with mind crush at 2, but thats not the point, im pretty shure charge will be added anyhoo! it has to be

 

so everyone shut up and accept were not goign to get our ass handed to us by rich teledad players

[lordtyson]

Lordtyson: This IS the list. Learn and love it. Why don't you believe it?

 

 

i dont believe it because why would Konami want to kill tele-DaD and zombies

if anything they would have killed GB's and LS"s first while just limiting tele-DaD and zombies

[Killey]

It is the official list. Shriek has posted official scans of the ban listing and pretty much every credible YGO forum has confirmed the list.

 

Be very glad that Konami has slowed down the pacing of teleDAD and Zombies. Unfortunately, they weren't wise enough to slow down LS and GB's as well. While GB Gyaz plays take a hit they've just been replaced with something better. Also, don't expect DAD to just die as well his role in the meta will still be prominant but his priorities will change slightly.

[lordtyson]

It is the official list. Shriek has posted official scans of the ban listing and pretty much every credible YGO forum has confirmed the list.

 

Be very glad that Konami has slowed down the pacing of teleDAD and Zombies. Unfortunately' date=' they weren't wise enough to slow down LS and GB's as well. While GB Gyaz plays take a hit they've just been replaced with something better. Also, don't expect DAD to just die as well his role in the meta will still be prominant but his priorities will change slightly.

[/quote']

 

how can i be glad when i run zombies and tele-Dad decks

if i did not i might be happy

[Killey]

Stop supporting cards that are only detrimental to the metagame and start learning some innovation. Field swarming large monsters with overpowered effects is not good for the game at all and shouldn't be allowed. Since when did we rely on OTK and FTK strategies. That sort of crap needs to stop and people need to stop clinging to broken cards. This list can potentially open the doors up for new deck types instead of fighting the same 3-4 decks over and over again. More succesfully deck types should be encouraged rather than discouraged.

[The Dark One]

Stop supporting cards that are only detrimental to the metagame and start learning some innovation. Field swarming large monsters with overpowered effects is not good for the game at all and shouldn't be allowed. Since when did we rely on OTK and FTK strategies. That sort of crap needs to stop and people need to stop clinging to broken cards. This list can potentially open the doors up for new deck types instead of fighting the same 3-4 decks over and over again. More succesfully deck types should be encouraged rather than discouraged.

 

Or we could just ban the funking cards.

 

You can't expect people to deliberately not play a superior deck because they want to be "innovative." I'm all for innovation, that's how these new mega-strategies are created in the first place, and somebody needs to do it.

 

But that doesn't mean that a player who wants to play on the competitive scene shouldn't be using TeleDAD. Hell yes he should, because that's the deck that's going to win him the game. (Unless he thinks of something that testes better. The problem is, nothing has yet tested better.)

 

Also, the purpose of the banlist is not to control the metagame, but to make the metagame fair. There is a difference. Control of the metagame is meant to be issued through card creation.

[Docomodake]

Mind if I squeeze in between you guys on the bandwagon? :>

 

Banned

(Unknown or Non-existent) - Oh my freakin' Jesus, it's the Yugioh-related apocalypse. Get in the van.

 

Limited

Goyo Guardian - Meh, at least I'll only need to get one now.

Chaos Sorcerer - Bad for the game; awesomesauce for me. (lolfavoritecard)

Reinforcement of the Army - Ugh dammit.

Card of Safe Return - lolbanplz

Mezuki - Meh, at least I'll only have to get one now.

Emergency Teleport - One day before this I was released, I got 2 awesome cards for an E-Tele so the guy I traded with could complete his playset. Dynomite!

Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Boundary - Not like it does anything to us.

Dark Armed Dragon - lolbanplz

Gladiator Beast Bestiari - Noooo GBs WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Plaguespreader Zombie - Meh, at least I'll only need to get one now.

 

Semi-Limited

Destiny Hero - Malicious - Finally! :D

Green Baboon, Defender of the Forest - Wasn't around before the limit. Don't know what it can do. Etc., etc., etc.

Allure of Darkness - Meh, at least I'll only need to get two now.

Gold Sarcophagus - Who cares?

Ultimate Offering - Who cares?

Raiza the Storm Monarch - Yay Monarchs.

Destiny Draw - Meh, at least I'll only need to get two now.

Mind Crush - I'm too lazy to use Wikia.

Goblin Zombie - That hurts, Ko-Ko.

 

Unlimited

Book of Moon - Who cares?

Nobleman of Crossout - Who cares?

Manticore of Darkness - Who cares?

Twin-Headed Behemoth - Who cares?

Phantom of Chaos - Who cares?

 

Decks:

Tele-DAD: Ha ha.

LS: Ugh, damnit.

Zombies: They suck now, but they're pretty darn cheap. :3

Monarchs: I wish I wish Monarchs were fish.

Gadgets: I wish I wish Gadgets were fish.

Blue-Eyes: I think that with the current banlist changes, Blue-Eyes White Dragon decks will finally have their chance to shine. The awesome tech of 3 Poly, 3 Saggi the Dark Clown, and Mezuki will make this deck a possible LS challenge.

[Killey]

If people want to net deck and play top tier decks for tournaments go right ahead. I won't fault people for doing it because those decks are top tier for a reason and trying to compete with a rogue deck isn't going to win you a tournamnet unless you have something ground breaking. However, be prepaired when a ban list that is trying to help the state of the metagame comes out.

 

You can't justify jabroniing about a ban list because your tournament winning deck is now nerfed. That's just plain idiotic and you know just as well as I do that there are justifiable reasons why the top deck got nerfed so learn to adapt and prepare for a new metagame. That's the cycle of any TCG.

[The Dark One]

You can't justify jabroniing about a ban list because your tournament winning deck is now nerfed. That's just plain idiotic and you know just as well as I do that there are justifiable reasons why the top deck got nerfed so learn to adapt and prepare for a new metagame. That's the cycle of any TCG.

 

I don't play TeleDAD, I play Lightsworn, which is going to benefit the most from this list.

That doesn't mean that this is a good list.

 

Of course, we can expect shifts in the metagame from a banlist change. However, a common misconception is that the banlist is around to keep a deck from winning too much. This is not true. The banlist is around to prevent banworthy cards from being played. It's as simple as that.

 

If one deck dominates as much as TeleDAD has, or DAD Return before it, chances are, there are a ton of banworthy cards in it. (And there are.)

 

However, if, in a good metagame, a single deck emerges as being the clear dominant force, tough. Future sets can attempt to change that, but if there are no banworthy cards or combos, then there is no problem for the banlist to fix.

 

Also, all the crap like limiting teleport and plaguespreader is retarded. It helps to mitigate TeleDAD's dominance, but that's not the point. We want to eliminate a lucksack format, not slow down the format and make the occasional lucksack even bigger. Basically, while this banlist appears to be helping, it really isn't. (Unless, of course, a deck-type in which the banworthy card is ripped apart enough that that card is no longer played because that deck-type is no longer played, in which case we might as well have banned the card and preserved the deck-type.)

[Orochi]

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your brain...

 

pics or didn't happen...

 

 

horrible list is horrible...

[Fh-Fh]

Wow...Good thing I didnt get that extra Plaguespreader, and allure, and Mezuki, and Goblin Zombie. My deck is in the perfect position.

[Curium]

You can't justify jabroniing about a ban list because your tournament winning deck is now nerfed.

The other way round, most of us here are jabroniing why DAD, JD and CCV isn't banned yet, while things that do not deserve to be restricted is on there, I mean, Reinforcement of the Army!?

[Azuh]

Sucks for everyone who bought a whole punch of packs for Mezuki and Plaguespreaders