We need this IRL. Nao! [Extra Fusion]

[.Nu-13]

Extra Fusion

Normal Spell Card

Send, from your Extra Deck to the Graveyard, Fusion Monsters that are listed as Fusion Material Monsters on a Fusion Monster Card, and Special Summon that monster from your Extra Deck. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon).

 

Instant Extrio. Discuss

[Brandon Michael Geren]

You could Summon Ab0 with it...

[-Griffin]

No.

Just no.

"Derp, drop Zero/Shining/ect"

At no cost.

Wut.

[evilfusion]

It requires no set up and no deck dedication. You can whip out Five Headed, Extrio, Draco Equites, Ultimate Psychicker, any of the Nature Eheroes, etc for no cost.

[.Nu-13]

That's why it's pure epicness.

[evilfusion]

You're right. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a card that lets you summon out something with 5000 ATK for no cost, setup, or deck dedication. Or a 3200 burn reflector that can steal effects of Dragon Synchros, one of which you probably used. Or a 2500 with a built in Raigeki, etc. All monsters that are decently difficult to summon under normal conditions, but now are incredibly easy.

[Manjoume Thunder]

ITT: Reading is hard.

 

Extra Fusion

Normal Spell Card

Send, from your Extra Deck to the Graveyard, Fusion Monsters that are listed as Fusion Material Monsters on a Fusion Monster Card, and Special Summon that monster from your Extra Deck. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon).

 

Extrio and Draco are made from Syncros ...

[.Nu-13]

Wait... DAMN! Again, i mis-read effect <_> so, it's crap

[CrabHelmet]

Ridiculously overpowered and blatantly banworthy.

[.Nu-13]

It's sarcasm or what?

[evilfusion]

I figured he meant "Send, from your Extra Deck, Fusion Material monsters listed on a Fusion Monster...etc". If he meant just regular Fusions, then it doesn't have the same usability.

[-Griffin]

It's still Zero for the 'cost' of setting up Miracle.

[.Nu-13]

But still, what good targets can this card have? (Except Ab0)

[-Griffin]

It needs more than 1?

FHD. Other E-Hero Natures.

[evilfusion]

If it only allows using Fusion Monsters as material?

 

-Ehero Absolute Zero

-Ehero Great Tornado

-Ehero Gaia

-Ehero The Shining

-FHD

 

I dont think there's enough Fusion Monsters with imprecise Fusion Materials that can use Fusions as Material. Chimeratech still needs a Cyber Dragon, for example. The Synchro Fusions is what would truly break this.

 

8 monsters= 6400 ATK for Chimeratech Overdragon. It still needs Cyber Dragon.

Chimeratech Fortress isn't Fusion Summoned at all, and it still needs Cyber Dragon.

[CrabHelmet]

I dont think there's enough Fusion Monsters with imprecise Fusion Materials that can use Fusions as Material.

 

"Enough"? Enough for what!? How is an instant E-Hero Etcetera / FGD insufficient!? Suppose they printed this card:

 

Elemental Hero Extrabsolute Zero

[WATER/Warrior/Effect/8/2500/2000]

You can Special Summon this card from your hand for free. This card gains 500 ATK for each WATER monster on the field other than "Elemental Hero Extrabsolute Zero". When this card is removed from the field, destroy all monsters your opponent controls. You can discard this card from your hand to Special Summon 1 "FGD Token" (Dragon-Type/DARK/Level 12/ATK 5000/DEF 5000). It does not take any Battle Damage, and cannot be destroyed by battle with an EARTH, WATER, FIRE, WIND, or DARK monster.

 

Would you look at that card and say, "Well, it can't become a Cyber Twin Dragon, so it's probably balanced"?

[.Nu-13]

Point taken

[-Griffin]

Crab, that version's clearly broken. If you Summoned Ab-0, they'd both get an ATK boost, but this one means that if you used it, then Miracle'd or something to get a second, they wouldn't get an ATK boost from each other. Clearly, that makes the one in the first post balanced.

[evilfusion]

Rephrase: It's broken, but it loses targets by only being able to use Fusions as Material. It's just not as broken as my original view of the card, which had more combo potential in addition to being broken.

 

Rephrase Rephrase: It's broken, damn it.

[CrabHelmet]

Rephrase: It's broken' date=' but it loses targets by only being able to use Fusions as Material. It's just not as broken as my original view of the card, which had more combo potential in addition to being broken.

 

Rephrase Rephrase: It's broken, damn it.

[/quote']

 

I'm afraid, witness, that that contradicts your previous testimony to this court:

 

I dont think there's enough Fusion Monsters with imprecise Fusion Materials that can use Fusions as Material... The Synchro Fusions is what would truly break this.

 

Your previous testimony makes it clear that the current version is not broken, since you refer to there not being "enough" targets - not to there being fewer targets - and note that only Synchro Fusions would "truly break this", implying that this is not already broken. This is not a rephrasing, witness; this is a substantial alteration to your testimony.

 

Furthermore, your new testimony is utterly lacking in content. What's that, you say? This card is less strong with fewer targets than it would have been if it had more targets? Thanks for sharing that brilliant insight, champ.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Crab' date=' that version's clearly broken. If you Summoned Ab-0, they'd both get an ATK boost, but this one means that if you used it, then Miracle'd or something to get a second, they wouldn't get an ATK boost from each other. Clearly, that makes the one in the first post balanced.

[/quote']

 

First once also fuels Pot of Avarice, Miracle Fusion, and Dragon's Mirror, and has other targets like Gaia, The Shining, Great Tornado, Dark Gaia, and Ojama Knight.

[CrabHelmet]

Crab' date=' that version's clearly broken. If you Summoned Ab-0, they'd both get an ATK boost, but this one means that if you used it, then Miracle'd or something to get a second, they wouldn't get an ATK boost from each other. Clearly, that makes the one in the first post balanced.

[/quote']

 

First once also fuels Pot of Avarice, Miracle Fusion, and Dragon's Mirror, and has other targets like Gaia, The Shining, Great Tornado, Dark Gaia, and Ojama Knight.

 

But Pika, that's obviously nothing compared to the two monsters gaining 500 ATK each when a large combo Summons them both.

[evilfusion]

It doesn't work with Dark Gaia. The Evil Hero Fusions require Dark Fusion or Dark Calling.

 

My original assessment of the card stated that the card was broken, and used FGD and Absolute Zero as good targets for it (ignoring the Draco-equites remark because I originally assumed Synchro Fusions were allowed). That isn't changed if Fusion Monsters are the only permitted Materials, but my thoughts of the card decrease when the Synchro Fusions are no longer valid. I then made a small list of the monsters permitted for it, and stated the (minor) flaw that there aren't many targets for it.

 

I typically try to see more options for a card than a single, broken use. The card loses its potential without Synchro Fusions, but it remains a broken card.

[White Void]

Would be ridiculous in E-Heroes for setting up instant Miracle Fusion and that setting up a Parallel World Fusion your next turn (I honestly don't know if it's used much or not), would also make FGD decks ridiculous. People saying that there aren't enough targets, isn't that enough? Overload Fusion is only used for Chimeratech Overdragon but you don't see anyone saying it's not viable because of lack of targets.

 

Sync Synchro Fusionist with whatever to get Black Rose, nuke field. Add Extra Fusion to your hand from your deck. Fuse five generic dragon fusions into FGD, play that Dragon's Mirror in your hand that you were holding onto. 10,000 directly. GG?

[-Griffin]

Crab' date=' that version's clearly broken. If you Summoned Ab-0, they'd both get an ATK boost, but this one means that if you used it, then Miracle'd or something to get a second, they wouldn't get an ATK boost from each other. Clearly, that makes the one in the first post balanced.

[/quote']

 

First once also fuels Pot of Avarice, Miracle Fusion, and Dragon's Mirror, and has other targets like Gaia, The Shining, Great Tornado, Dark Gaia, and Ojama Knight.

 

But Pika, that's obviously nothing compared to the two monsters gaining 500 ATK each when a large combo Summons them both.

 

I'm glad you understand.