So, how exactly does censorship work?...

[MarbleZone]

 

The latter was named "Goddess of Extermination, Ruin" in Japanese. So... Gods and Goddesses have been renamed Deities and Queens since I can remember, now Tethys can be a Goddess? I honestly cannot figure those guys out.

 

Anyway, point out ridiculous censors, while you're at it. Dian Keto, for instance, was a very welcome censor - no point in bringing it up.

[Azmodius]

Yeah well, it's Konami.

[Docomodake]

Extermination is wrong, children.

 

Cockroaches are people too!

[CrabHelmet]

Most of the time, Gods and Goddesses don't retain their original names if they have a negative connotation. Tethys is a happy LIGHT Fairy goddess of love and joy and stuff, so she can stay a Goddess; Ruin is all about ruin, extermination, and oblivion, not to mention The End of the World, so she becomes a Queen.

 

Of course, then you have cases like The Creator, where it's just arbitrary.

[MarbleZone]

Not to mention the interesting case of Solemn Judgment, which went from being a "Declaration of God" (japanese card name) that forbids the opponent's action to a random old man mumbling "NO U!" for the same effect.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Or not everything is some stupid move for censorship and just a varying translation, but everyone here wants to kill Konami and their relatives, so obviously anything done is an elaborate trick to destroy your yugioh experience by shrinking boobs on drawings and removing crosses.

[Tronta]

actually yes, they are usually censorships. its not konami's fault, its the north american market. too sensitive, too religious.

[Skirts]

actually yes' date=' they are usually censorships. its not konami's fault, its the north american market. too sensitive, too religious.

[/quote']

It's because this game is meant for 8 year olds. Think about it... If you want to play a card game with massive boobs, and maybe showing some of the tit. Than play Magic The Gathering. But I don't see what the big deal is anyway? If the kids don't like the boobies on the cards, than don't play the game. That easy.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

actually yes' date=' they are usually censorships. its not konami's fault, its the north american market. too sensitive, too religious.

[/quote']

 

Nope.

[guy person]

 

MTG has got the titty thing down... I actually managed to get a hold of this card when I was younger Despite not ever really going that far into MTG.

[Tronta]

alright, let me elaborate on that, as i thought i could communicate it very simply, but evidently such is not the case.

 

konami, like any company, or anyone alive in the world today, knows that the american market is silly.

in order to reach the largest demographic, konami needs to make the game as unoffensive as humanly possible. if it had tits, religious symbolism, etc, then konami knows that parents would flip a lid and not only prevent their kids from buying and playing, but would petition to ban the game.

they do that. they tried it with pokemon, they tried it with harry potter, and theyll try it with this.

its not good publicity to have your cards being publicly burned by religious fanatics, and it cuts the demographic in half, easily.

 

now while japan and most of the rest of the world can stand the idea of a fictitious demon god, america with our nice christian sensibilities simply cannot. rather, we can, but not all of us.

konami is a company, first and foremost, and if altering a few card arts and card names means hitting two, maybe even three times as large of a customer pool, they /will/ do it.

 

konami would likely prefer not to, and im sure they arent doing it out of spite. they merely wish to make money.

 

deal with it.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

alright' date=' let me elaborate on that, as i thought i could communicate it very simply, but evidently such is not the case.

 

konami, like any company, or anyone alive in the world today, knows that the american market is silly.

in order to reach the largest demographic, konami needs to make the game as unoffensive as humanly possible. if it had tits, religious symbolism, etc, then konami knows that parents would flip a lid and not only prevent their kids from buying and playing, but would petition to ban the game.

they do that. they tried it with pokemon, they tried it with harry potter, and theyll try it with this.

its not good publicity to have your cards being publicly burned by religious fanatics, and it cuts the demographic in half, easily.

 

now while japan and most of the rest of the world can stand the idea of a fictitious demon god, america with our nice christian sensibilities simply cannot. rather, we can, but not all of us.

konami is a company, first and foremost, and if altering a few card arts and card names means hitting two, maybe even three times as large of a customer pool, they /will/ do it.

 

konami would likely prefer not to, and im sure they arent doing it out of spite. they merely wish to make money.

 

deal with it.

[/quote']

Tethys counteracts your rant. So does that fact that they're making minor changes but not altering the whole Tributing thing. And regardless of what they do, radicalists will still hate it.

[The Crimson King]

I think the idea of political correctness and radicalism is total bullshit. I also think that people should stop being so fuckin sensitive and not flip out over EVERY DAMNED THINNG THAT GOES WRONG.

[Tronta]

tethys is a bit of a fluke, but she, and possible the creator, ambiguous as he is, are the only real counter examples.

ffs, they changes the art on spellbinding circle and monster reborn because of religious symbolism.

 

tributing -> releasing doesnt really have any religious symbolism that pertains to christianity. nor does it affect my argument in any way. the bare fact is that the game is still based on summoning monsters to fight each other. they cant change it that much without losing its market appeal entirely.

 

if you and your silly batman trolling want to provide a counter argument, go ahead, but if you just came here to tell everyone theyre wrong for no reason, just leave.

 

 

and yes, crimson, your absolutely right. a bit obvious, but correct nonetheless. its trolly and obnoxious, but it is something we must deal with until everyone of this nature is slowly weeded out of the gene pool by natural selection. gonna be a long coupla millenia.

[The Crimson King]

tethys is a bit of a fluke' date=' but she, and possible the creator, ambiguous as he is, are the only real counter examples.

ffs, they changes the art on spellbinding circle and monster reborn because of religious symbolism.

 

tributing -> releasing doesnt really have any religious symbolism that pertains to christianity. nor does it affect my argument in any way. the bare fact is that the game is still based on summoning monsters to fight each other. they cant change it that much without losing its market appeal entirely.

 

if you and your silly batman trolling want to provide a counter argument, go ahead, but if you just came here to tell everyone theyre wrong for no reason, just leave.

 

 

and yes, crimson, your absolutely right. a bit obvious, but correct nonetheless. its trolly and obnoxious, but it is something we must deal with until everyone of this nature is slowly weeded out of the gene pool by natural selection. gonna be a long coupla millenia.

[/quote']My friend, we seem to have found a line of agreement. And yes, it will be a long couple of millenia indeed:(.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Oh god…

tethys is a bit of a fluke' date=' but she, and possible the creator, ambiguous as he is, are the only real counter examples.

[/quote']

There are a lot of cards dubbed as god or goddesses.

 

ffs, they changes the art on spellbinding circle and monster reborn because of religious symbolism.

 

tributing -> releasing doesnt really have any religious symbolism that pertains to christianity. nor does it affect my argument in any way. the bare fact is that the game is still based on summoning monsters to fight each other. they cant change it that much without losing its market appeal entirely.

Here's where I need to point something out. I said that not every card change is an censorship move, like the gods becoming queens. I know that the shrinking breasts and the such is a market move.

if you and your silly batman trolling

:?

want to provide a counter argument, go ahead, but if you just came here to tell everyone theyre wrong for no reason, just leave.

K.

and yes, crimson, your absolutely right. a bit obvious, but correct nonetheless. its trolly and obnoxious, but it is something we must deal with until everyone of this nature is slowly weeded out of the gene pool by natural selection. gonna be a long coupla millenia.

Natural selection doesn't really apply to humanity anymore.

[CrabHelmet]

Tronta uses the word "troll" an average of 0.86 times per post.

 

And that's terrible.

 

tethys is a bit of a fluke' date=' but she, and possible the creator, ambiguous as he is, are the only real counter examples.

[/quote']

 

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Goddess_with_the_Third_Eye

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Goddess_of_Whim

 

And let's not forget the countless Goddess cards used by Siegfried in the anime. And that's only counting Goddesses.

[MarbleZone]

Or not everything is some stupid move for censorship and just a varying translation' date=' but everyone here wants to kill Konami and their relatives, so obviously anything done is an elaborate trick to destroy your yugioh experience by shrinking boobs on drawings and removing crosses.

[/quote']

 

I understand by now that this kind of posts is sort of your virtual Viagra, but at least take it on the proper occasions: we're not complaining about the censorship in any way, rather discussing the ambiguous criteria of that censorship. Or we were by the time you made that post.

Some censors are perfectly understandable and welcome, whereas some changes aren't censors at all (Black Feathers to Blackwings). These name changes, however, and as you mentioned, cleavage and religious symbols as well, are actually censored or watered down, and apparently, with a variable degree of strictness.

 

That's what we're discussing, not whining about "elaborate tricks to destroy our yugioh experience".

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Or not everything is some stupid move for censorship and just a varying translation' date=' but everyone here wants to kill Konami and their relatives, so obviously anything done is an elaborate trick to destroy your yugioh experience by shrinking boobs on drawings and removing crosses.

[/quote']

 

I understand by now that this kind of posts is sort of your virtual Viagra, but at least take it on the proper occasions: we're not complaining about the censorship in any way, rather discussing the ambiguous criteria of that censorship. Or we were by the time you made that post.

Some censors are perfectly understandable and welcome, whereas some changes aren't censors at all (Black Feathers to Blackwings). These name changes, however, and as you mentioned, cleavage and religious symbols as well, are actually censored or watered down, and apparently, with a variable degree of strictness.

 

That's what we're discussing, not whining about "elaborate tricks to destroy our yugioh experience".

Then use an actual example of censorship instead of a random name change.

[MarbleZone]

You mean like Goddess to Queen? Or like Declaration of God to Solemn Judgement along with angels being changed to random girls around an old man?

 

I believe I covered that already.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Goddess to Queen isn't censorship, Declaration of God to Solemn is.

[Aesirson]

Censorship makes the man in Solemn Judgment look like a playboy, nuff said.

[Azuh]

Censorship makes the man in Solemn Judgment look like a playboy' date=' nuff said.

[/quote']

 

He already is a playboy

 

He picks up all the women

[Aesirson]

Censorship makes the man in Solemn Judgment look like a playboy' date=' nuff said.

[/quote']

 

He already is a playboy

 

He picks up all the women

You're right! Thanks to censorship we won't get any girls!

[Tronta]

@ crabs, i go out of my way to use troll at least once. it amuses me.

 

also, maybe they dont care about nuertral/good goddesses. they evidently care about the evil one. whatever. also, im sorry i dont have an encyclopedic knowledge of unused cards. im sure that helps you a lot in life. instead of walking into a conversation to pick at the fallacies of others, maybe you could contribute something worth reading?

 

if you really look at it, athena is a greek goddess, as artemis is a greek god, and venus is a roman goddess >.>

maybe they just have an aversion to evil deities and using the word 'god'?

evil deities bring out the parents who claim the game is satanic, and gods bring out the people who say its flat-out heretical.

 

i guess goddesses are fine so long as they arent evil then.

 

edit: also, im pretty sure goddess to queen is censorship. theyre very different titles that hold very different meanings. changing a goddess to a queen at any point is illogical.

also, maybe black feathers just changed to black wings out of euphonious appeal? they probably decided that black feathers sounds better in japanese, whereas black wings sounds better in english. theres no real loss of meaning.