Jinzo:Discussion

[kimmy1235]

I use to like Jinzo personally' date=' back when it was a Secrete Rare in Pharoh's Servant. It was a great card and was really useful for the few people who got their hands on it and the surprised someone got in their eyes when it was played on them was priceless. Then the Jinzo tin came out and it just ruined everything. Not anyone willing to pay $20 could get this super powerful card and use it.

 

Now adays I just expect Jinzo to pop up out of nowhere so I make decks with as few traps as possible seeing that people most likely run Jinzo and Royal Decree, while in the same aspect fewer people use Horus or Silent Swordsman because they are hard to get (Being part of a set and not one stand only card) and being harder to play (Having to cycle through your deck hoping you don't get the higher lvl cards first compare to just sacrificing one monster for Jinzo or waiting one turn for Royal Decree). Now as a rule I refuse to seek out Jinzo and during the few short times I have had him I have never put him into a deck except to mess with the head of a friend who loved Jinzo and recently lost him in a ante dual (he in fact wanted to stop the match to trade me for it as soon as I summoned the bloody thing).

 

I guess what I am getting at is Jinzo is good, maybe too good (at least to have three in a deck), but he is way over used and the mere presence of him in your deck show a lack of creativity and courage since your using this monster as a crutch to make what might be a bad deck some what useable or, even worst, using it for meta gaming which shows even less creativity and courage cause your most likely ripping off someone elses deck design.

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lol, almost no one runs Jinzo anymore so I don't know what you are talking about. He's underused if anything.

 

Huh, maybe I'm behind on the times, but ask yourself this. Do you or do you not have at least one deck with Jinzo in it or it's side deck at this moment?

 

Jinzo is side deck material and thats about it.

 

exactly, so you everyone uses it in one way or another on an average bases. Overused! The side deck is just an excuse. It let's you have say that you don't have Jinzo in your deck while obviously having him in your deck. Just means that you can use him when he is most convenient to you.

[Von Csent]

Then the Jinzo tin came out and it just ruined everything. Not anyone willing to pay $20 could get this super powerful card and use it.

 

What is wrong with everyone getting a level playing field? The more widely available any one card is' date=' the more combo varieties will likely pop up, which most people agree is a good thing.

 

Obviously you are one of the types of players who believe that the rich should reign above everyone else. This is why I like the video games; I have access to every card, not to make a super-special-awesome-OTK-fest deck (well, I may make a couple), but to try different strategies that I cannot try IRL.

 

I guess what I am getting at is Jinzo is good, maybe too good (at least to have three in a deck)

 

I could go along with this idea.

 

but he is way over used and the mere presence of him in your deck show a lack of creativity and courage since your using this monster as a crutch to make what might be a bad deck some what useable or' date=' even worst, using it for meta gaming which shows even less creativity and courage cause your most likely ripping off someone elses deck design.

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Back when Jinzo was only secret rare, don't tell me that you did not do this. He was almost always a beatdown deck's anchor, a reckless beatstick with a shallow strategy. In today's game style, he is more of a tech card than a trump or "crutch". Outside of his OTK, Jinzo is primarily a protection card, similar to Threatening Roar. And as often as TR is used, it's not called out for lack of creativity.

[kimmy1235]

Then the Jinzo tin came out and it just ruined everything. Not anyone willing to pay $20 could get this super powerful card and use it.

 

What is wrong with everyone getting a level playing field? The more widely available any one card is' date=' the more combo varieties will likely pop up, which most people agree is a good thing.

 

Obviously you are one of the types of players who believe that the rich should reign above everyone else. This is why I like the video games; I have access to every card, not to make a super-special-awesome-OTK-fest deck (well, I may make a couple), but to try different strategies that I cannot try IRL.

 

I guess what I am getting at is Jinzo is good, maybe too good (at least to have three in a deck)

 

I could go along with this idea.

 

but he is way over used and the mere presence of him in your deck show a lack of creativity and courage since your using this monster as a crutch to make what might be a bad deck some what useable or' date=' even worst, using it for meta gaming which shows even less creativity and courage cause your most likely ripping off someone elses deck design.

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Back when Jinzo was only secret rare, don't tell me that you did not do this. He was almost always a beatdown deck's anchor, a reckless beatstick with a shallow strategy. In today's game style, he is more of a tech card than a trump or "crutch". Outside of his OTK, Jinzo is primarily a protection card, similar to Threatening Roar. And as often as TR is used, it's not called out for lack of creativity.

 

Wow did you get me wrong, never become a profiler. You will get fired in the first week. I am as poor as it gets, I sell my blood for my rent and I am lucky if I can buy one booster pack every 3 months. Maybe that is a little more about me than you wanted to know but I am just trying to set things streight. I wish I had the money to needlessly throw away on $300 cards. No it is the other way around, I think that if you want a powerful card you have to work for it by trading or be really lucky with your packs. Let me make my opinion clear: EVERYONE WHO BUYS CARDS FROM EBAY OR A TIN (unless you can only get the card from a tin) IS TAKING THE EASY WAY OUT AND DO NOT DESERVE THOSE CARDS.

Every card I own was either from a booster pack or a trade.

 

Now while yes I have had Jinzo several times it was only for one of two purposes. 1:To trade for better cards at a later date (Like the next day) or 2: To freak out my freind who insisted on doing ante battles and lost his Jinzo multipuly times. Now to excuse him a little he was not a bad player. Our city isn't near any place that holds tournaments so we run on traditional rules for the most part. With that being the case one person decided to make a deck half full of (at the time) forbidden cards, making a super deck that most others couldn't compare with (Me and one other person) and would goad people into playing ante games which he almost always won, thus making everyone else that played wosre off than before (except me because I never play ante).

 

Now off of that, I have never used Jinzo in a deck, ever, period. I might have if I got one before the tin, but afterwards it became too overused and is still overused to this day. I despise the card and will never again seek it out and only trade for it if I think I can get something better for it. Aside from that my thought stands, it is a good card if you want to stop traps. Plain and simple.

[Von Csent]

I'm not going to pretend to be a tournament guru, which I am not, but I thought Jinzo died a while ago. Among the people I play with, I still use him (tin promo) occasionally. One of my friends has two Jinzos (Dark Beginning and Gold Series), but he runs a random Earth deck comprised of cards from before GX series, and keeps his deck exclusive to the attribute. Another friend has one (Anniversary) but he is keeping it out of duels for collecting purposes. Many people have Jinzo, but he is not used as often as you say.

 

EVERYONE WHO BUYS CARDS FROM EBAY OR A TIN (unless you can only get the card from a tin) IS TAKING THE EASY WAY OUT AND DO NOT DESERVE THOSE CARDS.

Every card I own was either from a booster pack or a trade.

 

So lucky people should reign? And how is eBay any different from trading?

 

I play the game for fun, not profit. So why must I invest excessive amounts of money to try and get a card that I can't be 100% certain about getting, just to get an edge in a simple game, when I can pay $20, get the fun card I want, plus 45 random cards? Why do I like structure decks so much? $10 for an assortment of cards built for each other, usually with a few "rare" and "expensive" cards as the primary reason for why I get the deck.

 

My friend with the Earth deck does not buy cards, but my other friend buys booster packs. He gets squat. I spend the same amount on decks, tins, etc., and make out with good decks. So, the question ultimately comes back to $$$.

 

Finally, I do spend money on this game. So why do I not deserve my Jinzo? Luck is not a determinant of how deserving someone is. Obviously you are just mad that the cards you once prized for rarity are not special anymore, or the card that annoys you is easy to find. Either view is selfish.

[Sleepy]

Jinzo was so much of a pain, and he used to be overused. (back when Elemental Energy was the newest booster pack). At least in my region, I came to see 8 players at a time playing different Duels in the same table, ALL OF THEM had in their hands:

1 monarch (don't remember which one but it was the same for all of them)

1 Jinzo

1 Heavy Storm

1 Nobleman of Crossout (back then it was also used alot)

and at most 1 card was different.. I've been trying to avoid using cards that I know everyone uses,

Here's the con of my statement: I play for fun, If I where to enter a tournament, I would just use what I think are the most useful cards regardless of how many people used them, (how little good options are out there if there are repeated cards that everyone uses :lol: )

 

Even more ON TOPIC: Jinzo was too good back then, I wondered why he never got banned. Today, I think is not too useful (I have an odd Deck with only 1 Trap in it :lol: )

[Von Csent]

Jinzo is useful during the controller's turn, but has a fair chance of dying the next turn. If Traps were used more often, he would be useful, but since the game has turned into an "I-want-the-effect-now" play style, Traps' slower nature leaves them to be exclusively ran as counters. Jinzo himself requiring a tribute makes him a slow fix to slow cards, if that makes sense.

 

That was from a tournament point of view. In casual play, Jinzo is still a mess.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

it became too overused and is still overused to this day.

 

Oh will you get off this. I can go to a 30 person tournament at locals and probably won't find a single person running Jinzo in side or main.

 

Locals: No one runs it.

Jumps (while they lasted): No one ran it.

Regional comps: Don't get me started, this card might as well not exist.

This website: Lol, look in the deck section and tell me if you see many people running Jinzo. I bet the ones running it (if any) are using lockdown or returner OTK, neither of which are meta at all.

 

The fact that I used to run this was something people used to joke about. It was a joke, the notion anyone would side it. Because it's rarely used, because it's just not good in this meta at all.

[13s unlucky 1]

Jinzo=fun ways to totally screw half your opponets cards and make stardust almost unbeatable. the only way to beat stardust while this is on the field is D.D.

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it became too overused and is still overused to this day.

 

Oh will you get off this. I can go to a 30 person tournament at locals and probably won't find a single person running Jinzo in side or main.

 

Locals: No one runs it.

Jumps (while they lasted): No one ran it.

Regional comps: Don't get me started' date=' this card might as well not exist.

This website: Lol, look in the deck section and tell me if you see many people running Jinzo. I bet the ones running it (if any) are using lockdown or returner OTK, neither of which are meta at all.

 

The fact that I used to run this was something people used to joke about. It was a joke, the notion anyone would side it. Because it's rarely used, because it's just not good in this meta at all.

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i agree.jinzo is good, but practically impossible to run in all decks anymore since nobody can run tributes except maybe 1 monarch and Sirocco wich is barely a tribute

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Monarchs is the only deck I see this being side decked since it's easy to integrate but even then I'm not sure if i'd bother.

[Luis2]

I like Jinzo but he can mess up one trap card that I was using.