Guest PikaPerson01 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 (And if the pic ever stops working, the effect is...) Activate only when there are 4 or more monsters on the field. Destroy all face-up monsters. On the upside, it's chainable. On the downside, it's situational. With blackwings swarming like crazy, it's a nice friendly boot to the face to remind your opponent that overextending exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 I have always believed this card is underrated. I ran this in a Monarch variant that used a lot of flip-effect monsters and it rapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 I run Morphs, and Forcefield lolz at this card, Torrent, Mirror Force, Vortex, and any other attempts at stopping overextension. So, to this I say: Thanks for letting me search a Morph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 It's good.It's a legal version of Raigeki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 It's good.It's a legal version of Raigeki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazer Yoshi Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 I side this card.Oh, and this card used to scare me a bit. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 It's good.It's a legal version of Raigeki. WIN. Like Vortex, but more situational. Chainable and costless too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 I usually run Lightning Vortex as an anti-Blackwing card. Sure, this one is free, but if you set it and they blow it up, you're done for. If you set Roar and chain it to their Battle phase (or better, attempted removal) then follow with Lightning Vortex, you know the job's getting done, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 I usually run Lightning Vortex as an anti-Blackwing card. Sure' date=' this one is free, but if you set it and they blow it up, you're done for. If you set Roar and chain it to their Battle phase (or better, attempted removal) then follow with Lightning Vortex, you know the job's getting done, right?[/quote'] Yeah, but if you can pull this off you don't lose the discard for Vortex or the extra card (Roar). So really, it's still good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow™ Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Torrential and Vortex are better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Rooks on wi-fi would always use this card. I'm on the verge of winning, they the ONKY card they had/just set. I draw, they use it. The game prolongs for about another 12 turns(since he usually draws something like Defender. FFFUUUU-) I end up winning anyway >____> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Torrential and Vortex are better. Torrential's limited, this is used alongside it. This can be better than Vortex as doesn't require a discard and can be activated when they start to get a swarm going, as opposed to Vortex which must be activated during your turn and allows for the swarm to do damage to you before destroying it, although Vortex can be better depending on how many monsters you control. Depends on the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HORUS Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 This is nothing like Torrential or Vortex or Raigeki. It's a conditional face-up only Dark Hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Tronta would love this card since it works greatly in flip trolls....XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Torrential and Vortex are better. You don't side out Torrential when you side this card in. Also' date=' Vortex can only be used on your turn and needs a discard. Rooks on wi-fi would always use this card. I'm on the verge of winning, they the ONKY card they had/just set. I draw, they use it. The game prolongs for about another 12 turns(since he usually draws something like Defender. FFFUUUU-) I end up winning anyway >____> So they're rooks for using a card that prevented you from winning for 12 extra turns? Okay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kira the Savior Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Rooks on wi-fi would always use this card. I'm on the verge of winning' date=' they the [i']ONKY[/i] card they had/just set. I draw, they use it. The game prolongs for about another 12 turns(since he usually draws something like Defender. FFFUUUU-) I end up winning anyway >____> I lol'd. n00bs at my locals play this thing sometimes too. i hate it but i also play Royal decree in half my decks wich they hate more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryad Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 N.C. is always nice to add if your meta is filled with Swarm Decks, but please like how Armadilloz gave a "Wonderful" example of, either HAVE a reason for following up with defending (Like if you ran a exodia deck) or take advantage of the moment if you are in a mirror match for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroque in Paradise Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Needle Cieling is easily summed up as Lightning Vortex And Dark Hole Meet Torrential. As for how useful it is . . . Trap? Check.Works only on face-ups? Check.You're not often going to be running face-ups when you're running from something (or like to use Flip Effects)? Check. It's useful when trying to turn the tide, mostly. You wouldn't really use it if you're trying to set up (or currently running) an offense, unless it's a Rock Deck and you're spamming flippers (or Shoop Moai, for whatever reason). Of course, there are some 'Right' and 'Wrong' ways to use it even then. Right: You activate it when your opponent has gone and summoned a boatload of monsters.Wrong: You activate it when your opponent has a giant bahonking beatstick (e.g. Goyo or DAD) and you've just spammed monsters to meet the requisite (e.g., they have DAD and you just Summoned any-given-monster and activated Fires of Doomsday [summons 2 tokens at the cost of you not being able to summon ANYTHING again that turn]).Why's it wrong?: You can't Summon again that turn. And your opponent might just summon yet ANOTHER heavy-hitter to knock you out further. Right: You activate it when your opponent had 3 monsters out to start with and just Normal Summoned during their turn.Wrong: You activate it when your opponent had 3 monsters out to start with, you had one (face-up OR face-down), and then realize your opponent is about to Normal Summon something or, worst-case-scenario, they have DAD in their hand and you've just handed them THEIR prerequisite on a silver platter.Why's it wrong?: See 'worst-case-scenario', above. Also see 'And your opponent might just summon . . . ' above. In short: The only way to use this card right is to read your situation and know whether it's advantageous to use it or not. Used properly, it can save your ass (much like that prolonged-for-12-more-turns duel mentioned above), but used improperly, you can screw yourself over in one turn or less. But that's true of a lot of Trap Cards, now isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Rooks on wi-fi would always use this card. I'm on the verge of winning' date=' they draw then set this, yet, they have no other cards(not even a hand) I draw, they use it. The game prolongs for about another 12 turns(since he usually draws something like Defender. FFFUUUU-) I end up winning anyway >____>[/quote'] So they're rooks for using a card that prevented you from winning for 12 extra turns? Okay! "About" is the keyword.Since it usually depends on what I draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 So not only did you get an extra draw every turn, but that extra draw per turn didn't help out until we were about 12 turns down the road. And they're rooks? Okay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 So not only did you get an extra draw every turn' date=' but that extra draw per turn didn't help out until we were about 12 turns down the road. And they're rooks? Okay![/quote'] I <3 how Pika comes on, just to flame me. For this, you get a +Rep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tronta Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 run it as a side in flips.its pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacoby746 Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 I like this card. I was in a 2-on-1 duel (some kid at school and .:Dark Armed Xing:. vs. me), and I went last. On my first turn, I summoned my monster, D.A.X used Needle Celling and destroyed all monsters. I activated monster reborn to summon my Queen's Knight. Then I Summon King's Knight and used it's effect to summon Jack's kight. Then I used Ancient Rules to summon BEWD and attacked OTKO'd them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 The only reason you would run this over Torrential is if you wanted more Torrential. Or something. Basically, you Side this only if you're already Maining Torrential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Tronta would love this card since it works greatly in flip trolls....XD run it as a side in flips.its pro. I knew it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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