Phantom Roxas Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 It happened at a different time, but it was still the same method. I like weird complex stuff like the way they get all this done. I can't believe it took this long to occur to me, but why even bother with black cloaks if they could just use transformation jutsus? I know that Orochimaru can't do it, but come on. I also completely forgot that Orochimaru still hadn't gotten the use of his arms back. I think that was handled too casually. Oh well, now Orochimaru is back to full power, and thus his fans are happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 ...huh.Didn't see that coming.Are they gonna be able to go join the fight, or can they only remain here with Orochimaru while he keeps the jutsu "on"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.WHAM Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 This chapter was...crazy. Orochimaru has all 4 Kages under his control with Edo Tensei...but I know the first and second know the Justu to release Edo Tensei.But...this is still a wild chapter. He killed himself then got a new body just like that...Damn. It doesn't even seem like he went through all that much trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I had a feeling in my gut from the last chapter that Sasuke was returning to the Uchiha's stone... But I wasn't confident. I didn't expect to see the return of the Hokage but I feel that they're just going to break their bonds with Orochimaru, just like what Madara did. Also, why would there be a ritual to undo the Sealing Demon Technique? Was it "oops, we sealed the wrong guy, lets get him out of the Demons stomach"? Lastly, it's funny that the Uzumaki Clan has the Mask while the Uchiha clan has the scroll on how to do it. Oh, and I also see Orochimaru screwing Sasuke over, resulting in a badass fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Sandaime is gonna be pissed His entire sacrifice almost seems moot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Things that confused/annoyed me: 1. I thought during the Danzo vs Sasuke fight we saw how/why the 2nd Hokage died. So...what happened with that? 2. Who did the 1st Hokage use the jutsu on? Or was it used on him? idgi 3. The Reaper of Death is kinda a dick. Forcing you to give up your life to kill someone else (who you have to get in distance of) while a mask and stone can ultimately undo it all. 4. Orochimaru/Kabuto somehow knowing this method Any clarification on these would be helpful. =[ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zextra Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Things that confused/annoyed me: 1. I thought during the Danzo vs Sasuke fight we saw how/why the 2nd Hokage died. So...what happened with that?2. Who did the 1st Hokage use the jutsu on? Or was it used on him? idgi3. The Reaper of Death is kinda a dick. Forcing you to give up your life to kill someone else (who you have to get in distance of) while a mask and stone can ultimately undo it all.4. Orochimaru/Kabuto somehow knowing this method Any clarification on these would be helpful. =[For points one and two, Orochimaru revived the 1st and 2nd in his fight against the 3rd. Since the third couldn't defeat the two, them being invincible, he created Shadow Clones to use the Reaper Death Seal on the two, then used his real body to attempt to kill Orochimaru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 3. The Reaper of Death is kinda a dick. Forcing you to give up your life to kill someone else (who you have to get in distance of) while a mask and stone can ultimately undo it all.4. Orochimaru/Kabuto somehow knowing this method Any clarification on these would be helpful. =[3. It doesn't bring them back to life, but it frees them from being sealed away in his stomach. Basically the mask and stone thing release the souls, which led to Orochimaru using Edo Tensei on them.4. Well, they've done a lot of experimenting off-screen.Orochimaru prided himself on his jutsu knowledge. He must have extensively studied Minato's Reaper Death Seal in interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 And with that...more talking, but satisfying. Now I wish for the next chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 For points one and two, Orochimaru revived the 1st and 2nd in his fight against the 3rd. Since the third couldn't defeat the two, them being invincible, he created Shadow Clones to use the Reaper Death Seal on the two, then used his real body to attempt to kill Orochimaru.I actually forgot about this. -_- 3. It doesn't bring them back to life, but it frees them from being sealed away in his stomach. Basically the mask and stone thing release the souls, which led to Orochimaru using Edo Tensei on them. 4. Well, they've done a lot of experimenting off-screen. Orochimaru prided himself on his jutsu knowledge. He must have extensively studied Minato's Reaper Death Seal in interest.3. I worded that poorly. Its just that the Reaper of Death was nice because it was actually a good element to have in this war of "zombies". Making the OP characters off-limits actually drove home the theme of "the young surpass the old". Even taking the current Kages out for a bit was all to advance the theme. Now that we know the past Hokages are going to do something drastic, probably affecting the war (if not getting physically involved), just destroys all of that, imo. The Reaper Death Seal was one of the few absolute in the Naruto-verse. Having such a way to go around it just feels like a cheat. 4. If it was Orochimaru I wouldn't have as big a problem. Now, however, I think he got the info from Kabuto. Otherwise, what was stopping him from getting his arms back a long time ago? As he said, the mask wasn't guarded and nobody was near the Uchiha Shrine (not positive, but nothing was rebuilt there so...). Kabuto researching/knowing that and not using it to add to his forces is just wrong, imo. Edit: Minato returns, rest of 9 tails chakra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 3. I worded that poorly. Its just that the Reaper of Death was nice because it was actually a good element to have in this war of "zombies". Making the OP characters off-limits actually drove home the theme of "the young surpass the old". Even taking the current Kages out for a bit was all to advance the theme. Now that we know the past Hokages are going to do something drastic, probably affecting the war (if not getting physically involved), just destroys all of that, imo. The Reaper Death Seal was one of the few absolute in the Naruto-verse. Having such a way to go around it just feels like a cheat. 4. If it was Orochimaru I wouldn't have as big a problem. Now, however, I think he got the info from Kabuto. Otherwise, what was stopping him from getting his arms back a long time ago? As he said, the mask wasn't guarded and nobody was near the Uchiha Shrine (not positive, but nothing was rebuilt there so...). Kabuto researching/knowing that and not using it to add to his forces is just wrong, imo. 3. I believe the phrase "learn from history" should come into play here. I personally don't think it will diminish the youths role as surpassing their forefathers and what not because, lets face it, they are indeed more powerful and skillful than their parents. 4. I don't believe Kabuto knew about the mask because, if he did, in my opinion, he would have used it to get the Four Hokages and use them in his barter with Tobi. No to me Orochimaru is the one who knew about the seal and since he had been stuck inside Sasuke the entire time he really couldn't at the time. Even before then he had to have someone with him so he could transfer himself into their body, yet again back then he was more focused on just training Sasuke and using his body instead. Could he have used the mask? Probably . . . but he had a "better" plan- until it backfired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Is this foreshadowing some awesome matchups? Like Orochimaru vs 3rd Hokage again?Madara vs 1st Hokage?Madara or Tobi vs 4th Hokage?4th Hokage vs Naruto??? I think Edo Tensei is Kishi's way of allowing us to see awesome matchups that we wouldn't see because of the time gaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Yeah, that's a nice way to throw things off balance even more so than they already were. Orochimaru's been making a play to return as the Big Bad, while Sasuke is supposedly the final villain. Now I'm curious who will be defeated first: Orochimaru, Sasuke, Madara, Obito, or the Jyuubi. I'm still anticipating Bee's death, and Madara has made clear THIS ISN'T EVEN THE JYUUBI'S FINAL FORM. From what we understand, Orochimaru revived the Hokages so that Sasuke can get his answers, but we don't know what he'll do with the others. But yeah, this hast to culminate in Minato giving the rest of Kurama's power to Naruto. The only possible upgrades I can think of for Naruto are finally combining Sage Mode with Kurama Mode, and the Kurama transformation having a corporeal form. Rin's death still hasn't been explained yet. I think Minato was already Hokage by that point, so I'm willing to bet it was Danzo again. He's the one who screwed up everything for everyone. If that's the case, then I want Orochimaru to revive Danzo, and then Obito flips out trying to kill Danzo as much as possible for everything he did, and then using the Dead Demon Consuming Seal to drag Danzo with him. By the way, undoing the seal isn't actually that implausible. The Uzumaki clan specialized in seals, so it's no wonder they have the way to undo one of the most powerful ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 But why would the Uchiha Clan have the scroll that tells you how to break the seal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 If I had to guess, I'd say it's probably the same knowledge passed down from the Sage of 6 to his two heirs. Through the Senju, the Uzumaki clan came into possession or ended up possessing the mask. As for the scroll, same thing except it was kept by the Uchiha. Least that's my logical guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Minato was already Hokage by that point- I actually always thought he was only named Hokage after his death. You know, since the Third was still alive an all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zextra Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I actually always thought he was only named Hokage after his death. You know, since the Third was still alive an all.The third retired and gave his spot to Minato, then took his position back after Minato's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted February 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Tobirama is now my favorite Hokage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 [spoiler=...]That explained both Sasuke's and Tobi's behavior, then...And the circumstances surrounding the Sharingan overall. Orochimaru was right about hate strengthening Sasuke, but the question remains how he knew about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 This, in my opinion, was one of the best chapters in a LONG time. I love Hashirama's personality. The Uchiha are getting so much more interesting now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 >Sharingan comes from extreme hate which spawned from extreme love I can live with this, but now it makes me wonder how Madara's Sharingan became Rinnegan. Best part was when the first two asked Minato who he was. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueZero Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 For some reason, the 1st hokage behavior creeps me out ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Roxas Posted February 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I find it interesting that apparently even Orochimaru even know about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 >Sharingan comes from extreme hate which spawned from extreme love I can live with this, but now it makes me wonder how Madara's Sharingan became Rinnegan. Best part was when the first two asked Minato who he was. XDI'm pretty sure his Sharingan became Rinnegan because he implanted Senju DNA into his body and it just...activated later down the line. Rinnegan's been stated as the power of both the Senju and Uchiha, I think back to when Madara first came onto the scene and Kabuto explained it. I think Hashirama's hilarious and I can understand Tobirama's personality. And I liked the interaction between all the Kages as well. As for the hatred thing, at first I was like meh, but then I thought about it and it basically makes sense. It could be plausible that a single clan could have brains differently wired than those of others, so I'll buy it. Good chapter, I'm anxious to see what Hashirama answers and what Sasuke asks Minato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 So I bet one of the 4 Kage is secretly pulling a Madara and freeing themselves from Edo Tensei... And Sasuke's question was so open ended... WHAT'S A SHINOBI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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