Atheism: Just Another Religion

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

The official definition of atheism is: the belief that God does not exist.

 

You're missing the point' date=' my friends, and confusing atheism with agnosticism. An agnostic rejects faith, while an atheist denies the existence of God, no matter the evidence to the contrary.

 

Since atheists thrive on reason, they would believe in God if there actually were some evidence to the contrary. However, unlike in the Flat E- oh, why am I repeating myself? I already explained all this in my first post in this topic, and can only assume that you lack the linguistic abilities to actually read it.

Actually, I didn't read your other post at all, and am only playing devil's advocate for particularly uninformed posts. ^_^

 

A thriving on reason, however, is not an essential quality of an atheist; a belief is. There can certainly be a Catholic philosopher (in the literal sense of the word), just as a devout atheist can exist.

[Dark]

Belief =/= Knowledge

 

(I could say they are opposites, and they are, but that would lead to more people trying to prove me wrong, and failing.)

 

Religion = Belief

 

Atheism is the belief a supreme being does not exist.

 

Atheism = Belief

 

Atheism = Religion

 

If you cannot understand that, please face-palm now.

[Jericho]

Belief =/= Knowledge

 

(I could say they are opposites' date=' and they are, but that would lead to more people trying to prove me wrong, and failing.)

 

Religion = [b']Blind[/b] Belief

 

Atheism is the belief a supreme being does not exist.

 

Atheism = Belief attained through logical reasoning and lack of evidence to the contrary

 

Atheism =/= Religion

 

If you cannot understand that, please face-palm now.

 

Fix'd

[Dark]

So if Atheism is not a religion, what are you supposed to classify it as?

 

EDIT: I agree with you that religion is a blind belief while Atheism has reasoning involved. And people who follow religion will not change their mind with an infinite amount of fact.

[Jericho]

So if Atheism is not a religion' date=' what are you supposed to classify it as?[/color']

 

EDIT: I agree with you that religion is a blind belief while Atheism has reasoning involved. And people who follow religion will not change their mind with an infinite amount of fact.

 

Its classified as irreligion along with deism, nontheism, agnosticism, ignosticism, antireligion, skepticism, freethought, or secular humanism. And that's another difference. If an atheist was provided with undeniable proof of a God(s), they would believe in said God(s).

[Guest]

The official definition of atheism is: the belief that God does not exist.

 

You're missing the point' date=' my friends, and confusing atheism with agnosticism. An agnostic rejects faith, while an atheist denies the existence of God, no matter the evidence to the contrary.

 

Since atheists thrive on reason, they would believe in God if there actually were some evidence to the contrary. However, unlike in the Flat E- oh, why am I repeating myself? I already explained all this in my first post in this topic, and can only assume that you lack the linguistic abilities to actually read it.

Actually, I didn't read your other post at all, and am only playing devil's advocate for particularly uninformed posts. ^_^

 

Your posts are particularly uninformed posts.

 

A thriving on reason' date=' however, is not an essential quality of an atheist; a belief is. There can certainly be a Catholic philosopher (in the literal sense of the word), just as a devout atheist can exist.

[/quote']

 

If you think about why people become atheist, you will understand that atheists, by and large, would indeed believe in God if some valid proof of God's existence were offered; they wouldn't squeeze their eyes shut and pretend that something blatantly real does not exist. That crosses the line from faith to delusions and insanity.

 

Of course, the first three words of the above sentence make this a lost cause, since this is you that we're talking about.

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

The official definition of atheism is: the belief that God does not exist.

 

You're missing the point' date=' my friends, and confusing atheism with agnosticism. An agnostic rejects faith, while an atheist denies the existence of God, no matter the evidence to the contrary.

 

Since atheists thrive on reason, they would believe in God if there actually were some evidence to the contrary. However, unlike in the Flat E- oh, why am I repeating myself? I already explained all this in my first post in this topic, and can only assume that you lack the linguistic abilities to actually read it.

Actually, I didn't read your other post at all, and am only playing devil's advocate for particularly uninformed posts. ^_^

 

Your posts are particularly uninformed posts. I appreciate your generosity, fellow devil.

 

A thriving on reason' date=' however, is not an essential quality of an atheist; a belief is. There can certainly be a Catholic philosopher (in the literal sense of the word), just as a devout atheist can exist.

[/quote']

 

If you think about why people become atheist, you will understand that atheists, by and large, would indeed believe in God if some valid proof of God's existence were offered; they wouldn't squeeze their eyes shut and pretend that something blatantly real does not exist. That crosses the line from faith to delusions and insanity.

 

Of course, the first three words of the above sentence make this a lost cause, since this is you that we're talking about.

That last sentence was well-chosen.

 

We aren't discussing atheists; we're discussing atheism. While I agree that most atheists become atheist due to their pure logic, I do know many atheists who say with utmost faith a phrase that renders the capacity for self-delusion Flat Earth Atheism requires irrelevant. That phrase is detailed in the following analogy.

 

Let us consider a hypothetical situation. A devout Fundamental Evangelicalist posts on a fairly secular (disconnected from religion, as opposed to atheistic in tendency) interwebz forum and says, "worship the lord if u dont then u r all gonna ddie and murn in hell." When the members of the forum fail to die and burn in hell, the Evangelicalist simply states that "i mispelt die. u r all gonna die in this week n burn in hell if u dont worhip the lord." One week later, the forum members are still alive. The Evangelicalist, unfazed, states that "i guess the lrod doesn't see this forum. wen u die ull brunin hell."

 

An atheist posts then posts on the same forum and says, "God does not exist. If He exists, then He will make my account post a picture of a pink elephant within twenty-four hours." When he logs on twelve hours later, a picture of a pink elephant appears... in a post made from his account. "My account must have been hacked overnight," he tells himself. "If it wasn't, and God did it, let me never post here again." When he logs back on, he finds himself permanently banned. The atheist, unfazed, states that "The administrator — or maybe the hacker from last night — must have banned me to try and prove God's existence."

 

I look forward to seeing Crab's deconstructing this flawed metaphor. :)

[Sunshine Jesse]

@Zarkus: Also' date=' Catholics don't deny all attacks on God. Just the ones that don't completely disprove God's existence. Like, you know... all of them?

[/quote']

Well, to be fair, God by his nature and definition can never actually be disproven.

[Willieh]

The official definition of atheism is: the belief that God does not exist.

 

You're missing the point' date=' my friends, and confusing atheism with agnosticism. An agnostic rejects faith, while an atheist denies the existence of God, no matter the evidence to the contrary.

 

Since atheists thrive on reason, they would believe in God if there actually were some evidence to the contrary. However, unlike in the Flat E- oh, why am I repeating myself? I already explained all this in my first post in this topic, and can only assume that you lack the linguistic abilities to actually read it.

Actually, I didn't read your other post at all, and am only playing devil's advocate for particularly uninformed posts. ^_^

 

Your posts are particularly uninformed posts. I appreciate your generosity, fellow devil.

 

A thriving on reason' date=' however, is not an essential quality of an atheist; a belief is. There can certainly be a Catholic philosopher (in the literal sense of the word), just as a devout atheist can exist.

[/quote']

 

If you think about why people become atheist, you will understand that atheists, by and large, would indeed believe in God if some valid proof of God's existence were offered; they wouldn't squeeze their eyes shut and pretend that something blatantly real does not exist. That crosses the line from faith to delusions and insanity.

 

Of course, the first three words of the above sentence make this a lost cause, since this is you that we're talking about.

That last sentence was well-chosen.

 

We aren't discussing atheists; we're discussing atheism. While I agree that most atheists become atheist due to their pure logic, I do know many atheists who say with utmost faith a phrase that renders the capacity for self-delusion Flat Earth Atheism requires irrelevant. That phrase is detailed in the following analogy.

 

Let us consider a hypothetical situation. A devout Fundamental Evangelicalist posts on a fairly secular (disconnected from religion, as opposed to atheistic in tendency) interwebz forum and says, "worship the lord if u dont then u r all gonna ddie and murn in hell." When the members of the forum fail to die and burn in hell, the Evangelicalist simply states that "i mispelt die. u r all gonna die in this week n burn in hell if u dont worhip the lord." One week later, the forum members are still alive. The Evangelicalist, unfazed, states that "i guess the lrod doesn't see this forum. wen u die ull brunin hell."

 

An atheist posts then posts on the same forum and says, "God does not exist. If He exists, then He will make my account post a picture of a pink elephant within twenty-four hours." When he logs on twelve hours later, a picture of a pink elephant appears... in a post made from his account. "My account must have been hacked overnight," he tells himself. "If it wasn't, and God did it, let me never post here again." When he logs back on, he finds himself permanently banned. The atheist, unfazed, states that "The administrator — or maybe the hacker from last night — must have banned me to try and prove God's existence."

 

I look forward to seeing Crab's deconstructing this flawed metaphor. :)

 

There's one fatal flaw with your analogy.

 

If his account was hacked and his avatar was replaced with a pink elephant,

 

THEN WHO WAS HACKER?!??

[Static]

The official definition of atheism is: the belief that God does not exist.

 

You're missing the point' date=' my friends, and confusing atheism with agnosticism. An agnostic rejects faith, while an atheist denies the existence of God, no matter the evidence to the contrary.

 

Since atheists thrive on reason, they would believe in God if there actually were some evidence to the contrary. However, unlike in the Flat E- oh, why am I repeating myself? I already explained all this in my first post in this topic, and can only assume that you lack the linguistic abilities to actually read it.

Actually, I didn't read your other post at all, and am only playing devil's advocate for particularly uninformed posts. ^_^

 

Your posts are particularly uninformed posts. I appreciate your generosity, fellow devil.

 

A thriving on reason' date=' however, is not an essential quality of an atheist; a belief is. There can certainly be a Catholic philosopher (in the literal sense of the word), just as a devout atheist can exist.

[/quote']

 

If you think about why people become atheist, you will understand that atheists, by and large, would indeed believe in God if some valid proof of God's existence were offered; they wouldn't squeeze their eyes shut and pretend that something blatantly real does not exist. That crosses the line from faith to delusions and insanity.

 

Of course, the first three words of the above sentence make this a lost cause, since this is you that we're talking about.

That last sentence was well-chosen.

 

We aren't discussing atheists; we're discussing atheism. While I agree that most atheists become atheist due to their pure logic, I do know many atheists who say with utmost faith a phrase that renders the capacity for self-delusion Flat Earth Atheism requires irrelevant. That phrase is detailed in the following analogy.

 

Let us consider a hypothetical situation. A devout Fundamental Evangelicalist posts on a fairly secular (disconnected from religion, as opposed to atheistic in tendency) interwebz forum and says, "worship the lord if u dont then u r all gonna ddie and murn in hell." When the members of the forum fail to die and burn in hell, the Evangelicalist simply states that "i mispelt die. u r all gonna die in this week n burn in hell if u dont worhip the lord." One week later, the forum members are still alive. The Evangelicalist, unfazed, states that "i guess the lrod doesn't see this forum. wen u die ull brunin hell."

 

An atheist posts then posts on the same forum and says, "God does not exist. If He exists, then He will make my account post a picture of a pink elephant within twenty-four hours." When he logs on twelve hours later, a picture of a pink elephant appears... in a post made from his account. "My account must have been hacked overnight," he tells himself. "If it wasn't, and God did it, let me never post here again." When he logs back on, he finds himself permanently banned. The atheist, unfazed, states that "The administrator — or maybe the hacker from last night — must have banned me to try and prove God's existence."

 

I look forward to seeing Crab's deconstructing this flawed metaphor. :)

 

There's one fatal flaw with your analogy.

 

If his account was hacked and his avatar was replaced with a pink elephant,

 

THEN WHO WAS HACKER?!??

 

Better question.

 

What if his Antivirus software doesn't pick anything up after a "full sweep" scan?

[Static]

I am pretty much an Atheist. I don't believe there is a god. I think about it very often' date=' about how this could happen, I wonder if this is a big dream, but you would need another existance to have a dream. Maybe we are a small part of that wich is bigger. A different race, performing tests on us, tornadoes, earthquakes, UFO. You can ask a soda can for a game you want, or you could ask god to heal a family member with an illness. Either way, you will get nothing from god or anything else.

 

If there is a god, why wouldn't HE worn us about hell. If he did, most of us wouldn't sin. There are a million other things to prove god is not real. I will prove it like that guy with the pink elephant. If this does happen, I will beleive in him, IF THERE IS A GOD, CHANGE MY AVATAR TO "GOD RULES" within 2 hours.

[/quote']

 

Atheism is often construed, due to the Western definition of god. (trust me, I'm going somewhere with this)

 

Atheism isn't "denial of god," it is A-Theism, or Non-Theism. It is not the lack of belief in god, or the belief that there is no god, it is the belief that an "absolute deity" does not exist. The Christian God is a deity; such a construct under minds the true definition of "absolute/god"

 

Say god was not a deity, but that it was a force that existed, a sort of energy, not human in nature whatsoever.

 

Would you say that physical scientific proof would be needed to prove that such a thing exists, or would your own personal experience be enough?

[pure.awesomeness]

okay, I believe that god has some good and bad beliefs. I also believe that there is not a divine being known as god. Why would our religion be right and others not? I don't belive this but maybe the devil is god. Maybe god is the devil making himself look like a good person who actually does bad stuff? Maybe it's BURN IN HEAVEN FOOLS. Maybe sins are good and praying and helping is bad, but again, I do not support that, I do not support anything except prove that there is a god.

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WTF? Oh mighty god! I posted that, and I saw god rules. OMG OMG OMG. I feel really bad. My body feels shaky and I feel dumb.

[Static]

Hell is not a place you go if you're not a Christian, it's the failure of your life's greatest ambition.

 

We are not human beings on a spiritual journey. We are spiritual beings on a human journey.

[Willieh]

Hell is not a place you go if you're not a Christian' date=' it's the failure of your life's greatest ambition.

 

We are not human beings on a spiritual journey. We are spiritual beings on a human journey.[/size']

 

Technique is a funking genius.

[Static]

Hell is not a place you go if you're not a Christian' date=' it's the failure of your life's greatest ambition.

 

We are not human beings on a spiritual journey. We are spiritual beings on a human journey.[/size']

 

Technique is a f***ing genius.

 

Word.

 

 

HORUS, is it time to bring back the Technique Project?

[HORUS]

Hell is not a place you go if you're not a Christian' date=' it's the failure of your life's greatest ambition.

 

We are not human beings on a spiritual journey. We are spiritual beings on a human journey.[/size']

 

Technique is a f***ing genius.

 

Word.

 

 

HORUS, is it time to bring back the Technique Project?

 

OH funk YES

[Guest Supreme Gamesmaster]

I am pretty much an Atheist. I don't believe there is a god. I think about it very often' date=' about how this could happen, I wonder if this is a big dream, but you would need another existance to have a dream. Maybe we are a small part of that wich is bigger. A different race, performing tests on us, tornadoes, earthquakes, UFO. You can ask a soda can for a game you want, or you could ask god to heal a family member with an illness. Either way, you will get nothing from god or anything else.

 

If there is a god, why wouldn't HE worn us about hell. If he did, most of us wouldn't sin. There are a million other things to prove god is not real. I will prove it like that guy with the pink elephant. If this does happen, I will beleive in him, IF THERE IS A GOD, CHANGE MY AVATAR TO "GOD RULES" within 2 hours.

[/quote']

 

Atheism is often construed, due to the Western definition of god. (trust me, I'm going somewhere with this)

 

Atheism isn't "denial of god," it is A-Theism, or Non-Theism. It is not the lack of belief in god, or the belief that there is no god, it is the belief that an "absolute deity" does not exist. The Christian God is a deity; such a construct under minds the true definition of "absolute/god"

 

Say god was not a deity, but that it was a force that existed, a sort of energy, not human in nature whatsoever.

 

Would you say that physical scientific proof would be needed to prove that such a thing exists, or would your own personal experience be enough?

Ooh, now atheism has an offshoot religion. ^_^

 

As has already been stated, the atheism we discuss here is the belief that God does not exist. But to answer your last question, while I personally take the former standpoint, many people take the latter, and still more misconstrue the latter as the former.

[Static]

I am pretty much an Atheist. I don't believe there is a god. I think about it very often' date=' about how this could happen, I wonder if this is a big dream, but you would need another existance to have a dream. Maybe we are a small part of that wich is bigger. A different race, performing tests on us, tornadoes, earthquakes, UFO. You can ask a soda can for a game you want, or you could ask god to heal a family member with an illness. Either way, you will get nothing from god or anything else.

 

If there is a god, why wouldn't HE worn us about hell. If he did, most of us wouldn't sin. There are a million other things to prove god is not real. I will prove it like that guy with the pink elephant. If this does happen, I will beleive in him, IF THERE IS A GOD, CHANGE MY AVATAR TO "GOD RULES" within 2 hours.

[/quote']

 

Atheism is often construed, due to the Western definition of god. (trust me, I'm going somewhere with this)

 

Atheism isn't "denial of god," it is A-Theism, or Non-Theism. It is not the lack of belief in god, or the belief that there is no god, it is the belief that an "absolute deity" does not exist. The Christian God is a deity; such a construct under minds the true definition of "absolute/god"

 

Say god was not a deity, but that it was a force that existed, a sort of energy, not human in nature whatsoever.

 

Would you say that physical scientific proof would be needed to prove that such a thing exists, or would your own personal experience be enough?

Ooh, now atheism has an offshoot religion. ^_^

 

As has already been stated, the atheism we discuss here is the belief that God does not exist. But to answer your last question, while I personally take the former standpoint, many people take the latter, and still more misconstrue the latter as the former.

 

Right... Offshot Religion.

 

Hinduism is one of the world's oldest religions; the Vedas date back somewhere around 5000 BC, more than a thousand years before the first Jew existed. Buddhism is about half as old as the Vedas.

 

Also, my point is related, so it is valid. If you didn't feel like responding to my questions you should not have replied.

[pure.awesomeness]

Atheism ROCKS!! Peace out!

[Womi]

I formed my own religion. I dont believe in god without denying his existance. I call it Atheism.

[pure.awesomeness]

WTF?! You are the great creator of Atheism? I bow down to your logic. All Hail the Wii playing grandma! *Bows down*

[Womi]

But theres a difference between Atheism and Atheism.

I didnt form the Atheism but my Atheism. But ok, bow down, MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! >=]]

[pure.awesomeness]

So, your an atheist with a different religion that is exactly the same?

[Cowsmacker]

...if you truly do not have a religion' date=' than you are simply a secularist; you do not care if creationism is real or if evolution is real, you just live out your life.[/b']

 

A better term for this is "Agnostic." I believe that agnostics, (I speak for them because I am one) are of the few reasonable types of people. They take in the possibility that a higher being can either be real or fake. Although, most agnostics have different reasons for being what they are. My reason is because I have asked many of my Christian and Atheist friends this exact question.

"Why should we even care what made the Universe? What are we to gain by finding out?" I still have gotton no answer that can convince me if there really is a higher power, or if the belief of one is a hoax.

 

i am agnostic also. i leaning a little to the athiest side but both sides have thier downsides and upsides. its like you said, in the end some of us dont give a care in hell whats true. but this is 1 saying that unites all people. and thats that scientoligy is a load of bull ****

[pure.awesomeness]

I always thought I was aan atheist. Now, I think I might be turning agnostic.