CrabHelmet Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Zero, one, two, three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Limited/Banned, mostly banned Abuses FLIP effects, and creates lockdowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tickle Me Emo Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 im to lazy to wikia it. image plox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu-Gi-Oh Fanatic Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Goo deck destruction combo + Morphing jar if Ultimate Offering and Swords is on the field, and you have PoA's and Card Destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juuzou Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 im to lazy to wikia it. image plox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowferret Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Meh, can abuse the shizzle outta some strong flip effects. Every turn. Combine it with some stall, and you could have endless Des Koala, Old Vindictive Magician, Morphing Jar, etc.I say keep it banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I say we leave it at four. Abuses FLIP effects' date=' and creates lockdowns[/quote']^Aside from Morphing Jar, whats a Flip-Effect monster that be abused(to the point of broken) by this?^Yes, It has to follow the current list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowferret Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Point acknowledged.Only other thing I can think of to defend my point of view, is think of it as an every turn, once a turn book of moon. If the opponent doesn't have much to stop it other than Bottomless that won't work, the one Mirror Force, and Solemn Judgment (which you know they would TOTALLY waste on it [/sarcasm]), it could be annoying. Could kill DAD with an attack. Or Wulf. Or a lot of Zombies. Or even flip Ryko down for another effect.I'm just saying, it has SOME potential.......Actually, yeah, I'd say unlimit it. I'd like to see what new combos could come out with Tsukuyomi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Point acknowledged.Only other thing I can think of to defend my point of view' date=' is think of it as an every turn, once a turn book of moon. If the opponent doesn't have much to stop it other than Bottomless that won't work[/quote']If they bottomless your Tsuku, then you lose an awesome monster(provided its at 1?)And a Book of Moon with legs wouldnt be as effective as the actual card itself. Since you would be using up your Normal Summon for the turn. Also, Mirror Force and Solemn would be too obveious. and people would start main-decking cards like Dust Tornado(I think?) for such a situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowferret Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Bottomless: Doesn't work. Tsukuyomi has only 1100.As for the Normal Summon thingy, if you can special summon quickly it'd be no problem.I'm actually starting to get that Tsukuyomi is probably just meant to be support or somethin'.But, eh, I dunno.Okay, yeah, it's not that good. Maybe they should just Limit him or something.Of course, you could use it to trick your opponent into running into your Gorz in your hand... I'm just sayin'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarlet Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I say it could be legal, beyond that I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I think 2. Not too much, not too little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG. Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 1 or 2 IMO. No FLIP monsters are that powerful. Well, maybe Des Koala or even Old thingmajik Magician. Morphing Jar for Deck Destruction. But that's only 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Unlimited. The locks that made it banworthy are gone, and I see no interactions that would make it acceptable at 1 or 2 but not at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuki ni Mau Majin Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I say we leave it at four. Abuses FLIP effects' date=' and creates lockdowns[/quote']^Aside from Morphing Jar, whats a Flip-Effect monster that be abused(to the point of broken) by this?^Yes, It has to follow the current list. Why are we discussing said card's effect on FLIP effect monsters only, instead of monsters in general? It would remain banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 according to Lolwikia it can do all this:* This card can be searched via "Sangan"* Tsukuyomi Abuse centers around the monster Tsukuyomi, and it revolves around using her ability to flip Monster Cards face-down, allowing their effects to be re-used. Examples:* Flipping up Mask of Darkness, and returning Time SealDrastic Drop Off Time SealDrastic Drop Off to your hand. Then set and continuously do this in a loop to prevent your opponent from drawing any new cards. OK this can't be Done now * Flipping up Magician of Faith, and returning one of the following to your hand: o Smashing Ground or Fissure, to get rid of face-up monsters o Mystical Space Typhoon, to destroy Spells and Traps o Nobleman of Crossout, to remove face-downs o Swords of Revealing Light, to prevent your opponent from attacking * Flipping up Old Vindictive Magician/Man-Eater Bug, destroying an opponent's monster, and then summoning Tsukuyomi, flipping Old Vindictive Magician face-down, and enabling Tsukuyomi to attack directly. *You can use Needle Worm's effect along with Tsukuyomi to make your opponent lose all the cards in his/her deck, thus making your opponent lose. * This and the other Spirit Monsters can waste Light and Darkness Dragon's effect. Due to the fact that the spirit bounce effect is obligatory during the End Phase, LaDD will negate the Spirit's effect again and again until it has a low ATK. * Some Higher level monsters will have a lower level defence, and example would be Colossal Fighter you can use Tsukuyomi's effect to put him into defence possition and destroy him. I know that is not as dangerous as it used to be...but it is still bad for the game due to the huge amoing of combos it can pull by itself,(The well Know and others that can come in the future)...so he better stays were it is now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiro Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Unlimited. The locks that made it banworthy are gone' date=' and I see no interactions that would make it acceptable at 1 or 2 but not at 3.[/quote'] 1 correction: this card never was banworthy. Time Seal and TER were.For the rest, Q4E. [spoiler=Also, here's another piece of lolwikia on Tsukuyomi] * Some Higher level monsters will have a lower level defence, and example would be Colossal Fighter you can use Tsukuyomi's effect to put him into defence possition and destroy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Unlimited. The locks that made it banworthy are gone' date=' and I see no interactions that would make it acceptable at 1 or 2 but not at 3.[/quote'] 1 correction: this card never was banworthy. Time Seal and TER were.For the rest, Q4E.Yeah that was a mistake on my part. What I meant to say was that it was the combos that were banworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 *You can use Needle Worm's effect along with Tsukuyomi to make your opponent lose all the cards in his/her deck' date=' thus making your opponent lose.[/quote']You would have to keep Needle Worm on the field, in order for that to work. IMO, The OTK using All-Out Attacks is better. * This and the other Spirit Monsters can waste Light and Darkness Dragon's effect. Due to the fact that the spirit bounce effect is obligatory during the End Phase' date=' LaDD will negate the Spirit's effect again and again until it has a low ATK.[/quote']How does "it bieng a sprit, and spirit's effects kill LaDD", add to Tsuku bieng broken? Some Higher level monsters will have a lower level defence' date=' and example would be Colossal Fighter you can use Tsukuyomi's effect to put him into defence possition and destroy him.[/quote']Colossal can revive it self. I know that is not as dangerous as it used to be...but it is still bad for the game due to the huge amoing of combos it can pull by itself' date='(The well Know and others that can come in the future)...so he better stays were it is now...[/quote']Technicly, Konami has given up on Flip-Effects.Worms dont count, since Alies of Justice already kill them. Hypatheticly(w/e), lets say Tsuku came back at one.Tsuku would be banned again if Konami made a Flip-Effect that said: "Flip: Draw 3 cards, then, discard 2." THEN it would get out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuki ni Mau Majin Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Tsuku would be banned again if Konami made a Flip-Effect that said: "Flip: Draw 3 cards' date=' then, discard 2." [i']THEN[/i] it would get out of hand. Yes, and Dark World monsters would have an abnormally huge fetish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Tsuku would be banned again if Konami made a Flip-Effect that said: "Flip: Draw 3 cards' date=' then, discard 2." [i']THEN[/i] it would get out of hand. Yes, and Dark World monsters would have an abnormally huge fetish. What about Morphing Jar? ......oh wait, Morphing Jar is still at 1 >_____> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Honestly, if you ban broken FLIPs, then it's at best 1-for-1 monster removal that wastes your Normal Summon, just like Grand Mole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenzoTheHarpist Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Honestly' date=' if you ban broken FLIPs, then it's at best 1-for-1 monster removal that wastes your Normal Summon, just like Grand Mole.[/quote']I guess. This gives card advantage though whereas grand mole gives none (unless using on synchro/fusion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Honestly' date=' if you ban broken FLIPs, then it's at best 1-for-1 monster removal that wastes your Normal Summon, just like Grand Mole.[/quote']I guess. This gives card advantage though whereas grand mole gives none (unless using on synchro/fusion). Grand Mole also has the option to just sit there, acting as a pseudo-wall. Tsuk needs to be used right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 *You can use Needle Worm's effect along with Tsukuyomi to make your opponent lose all the cards in his/her deck' date=' thus making your opponent lose.[/quote']You would have to keep Needle Worm on the field, in order for that to work. IMO, The OTK using All-Out Attacks is better. * This and the other Spirit Monsters can waste Light and Darkness Dragon's effect. Due to the fact that the spirit bounce effect is obligatory during the End Phase' date=' LaDD will negate the Spirit's effect again and again until it has a low ATK.[/quote']How does "it bieng a sprit, and spirit's effects kill LaDD", add to Tsuku bieng broken? Some Higher level monsters will have a lower level defence' date=' and example would be Colossal Fighter you can use Tsukuyomi's effect to put him into defence possition and destroy him.[/quote']Colossal can revive it self.DAD Can't And to all of this...Why do your reply me didn't you read all of this is from LolWIKIA? Also Tsk is better than mole since it can kill stuff...(partially) and it makes nobleman of crossout even more playable...is allurable..is spellcaster...Now just imagine if this had 1000 ATK instead of 1100... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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