Why is religion such a touchy subject?

[OMGAKITTY]

Whereas you are referring to God in the Torah's sense' date=' most people believe in God as a benevolent father figure.

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A father figure who judges you on whether you thought about him and believed in him when you die so that he can decide whether to put you in heaven or hell.

 

Sounds like a self-absorbed, judgmental bully to me.

 

That's like saying the father who grounds his son for not listening to him is a bully. :/

[Dark]

Whereas you are referring to God in the Torah's sense' date=' most people believe in God as a benevolent father figure.

[/quote']

 

A father figure who judges you on whether you thought about him and believed in him when you die so that he can decide whether to put you in heaven or hell.

 

Sounds like a self-absorbed, judgmental bully to me.

 

That's like saying the father who grounds his son for not listening to him is a bully. :/

 

More like a father who grounds his son for an invalid reason. Who doubles up as a bully.

[OMGAKITTY]

Whereas you are referring to God in the Torah's sense' date=' most people believe in God as a benevolent father figure.

[/quote']

 

A father figure who judges you on whether you thought about him and believed in him when you die so that he can decide whether to put you in heaven or hell.

 

Sounds like a self-absorbed, judgmental bully to me.

 

That's like saying the father who grounds his son for not listening to him is a bully. :/

 

More like a father who grounds his son for an invalid reason. Who doubles up as a bully.

 

How is not doing something your father tells you to an invalid reason?

[HORUS]

Whereas you are referring to God in the Torah's sense' date=' most people believe in God as a benevolent father figure.

[/quote']

 

A father figure who judges you on whether you thought about him and believed in him when you die so that he can decide whether to put you in heaven or hell.

 

Sounds like a self-absorbed, judgmental bully to me.

 

That's like saying the father who grounds his son for not listening to him is a bully. :/

 

God's a bully because he blackmails you into believing in him, because if you don't, you go to hell, but if you do, you're good.

[Dark]

Whereas you are referring to God in the Torah's sense' date=' most people believe in God as a benevolent father figure.

[/quote']

 

A father figure who judges you on whether you thought about him and believed in him when you die so that he can decide whether to put you in heaven or hell.

 

Sounds like a self-absorbed, judgmental bully to me.

 

That's like saying the father who grounds his son for not listening to him is a bully. :/

 

More like a father who grounds his son for an invalid reason. Who doubles up as a bully.

 

How is not doing something your father tells you to an invalid reason?

 

Because he is forcing you to do it, and giving you consequences if you do not. So you basically must listen to him or your iPod goes away. So it's not a matter of free will, you are his servant, or you will be punished until you learn that you are his servant.

[OMGAKITTY]

Whereas you are referring to God in the Torah's sense' date=' most people believe in God as a benevolent father figure.

[/quote']

 

A father figure who judges you on whether you thought about him and believed in him when you die so that he can decide whether to put you in heaven or hell.

 

Sounds like a self-absorbed, judgmental bully to me.

 

That's like saying the father who grounds his son for not listening to him is a bully. :/

 

More like a father who grounds his son for an invalid reason. Who doubles up as a bully.

 

How is not doing something your father tells you to an invalid reason?

 

Because he is forcing you to do it, and giving you consequences if you do not. So you basically must listen to him or your iPod goes away. So it's not a matter of free will, you are his servant, or you will be punished until you learn that you are his servant.

 

...I don't see how this is too different from actual parenting.

Father: Eat your vegetables

Child: I don't wanna!

Father: Then you can't watch tv afterward.

[Flame Dragon]

Whereas you are referring to God in the Torah's sense' date=' most people believe in God as a benevolent father figure.

[/quote']

 

A father figure who judges you on whether you thought about him and believed in him when you die so that he can decide whether to put you in heaven or hell.

 

Sounds like a self-absorbed, judgmental bully to me.

 

That's like saying the father who grounds his son for not listening to him is a bully. :/

 

More like a father who grounds his son for an invalid reason. Who doubles up as a bully.

 

How is not doing something your father tells you to an invalid reason?

 

Because he is forcing you to do it, and giving you consequences if you do not. So you basically must listen to him or your iPod goes away. So it's not a matter of free will, you are his servant, or you will be punished until you learn that you are his servant.

 

The only thing god is "forcing" people to do is live a good life, which would be your goal normally. I don't think a god would care about simple trivial things.

[HORUS]

Whereas you are referring to God in the Torah's sense' date=' most people believe in God as a benevolent father figure.

[/quote']

 

A father figure who judges you on whether you thought about him and believed in him when you die so that he can decide whether to put you in heaven or hell.

 

Sounds like a self-absorbed, judgmental bully to me.

 

That's like saying the father who grounds his son for not listening to him is a bully. :/

 

More like a father who grounds his son for an invalid reason. Who doubles up as a bully.

 

How is not doing something your father tells you to an invalid reason?

 

Because he is forcing you to do it, and giving you consequences if you do not. So you basically must listen to him or your iPod goes away. So it's not a matter of free will, you are his servant, or you will be punished until you learn that you are his servant.

 

The only thing god is "forcing" people to do is live a good life, which would be your goal normally. I don't think a god would care about simple trivial things.

 

I consider humans and Earth very trivial things in an ever-expanding and infinite universe.

[Shradow]

It's because people can't get along without arguing. It's human nature.

[OMGAKITTY]

Well, technically, all God asks is that you believe that Jesus is His son, and that he died for your sins. Everything after that is kind of extra.

[Willieh]

It's not a touchy subject.

 

It's just that you post these threads every 10 funking minutes.

 

If you were posting the most interesting topic in the world this much, it'd become a touchy subject.

 

EDIT: Also, you usually mock their religion.

[「tea.leaf」]

It's usually because religious people are wankers about their beliefs.

 

Wankers?

 

I need to get a British to English dictionary.

 

Actually' date=' I don't give a damn when someone questions my beliefs. Why should you?

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I don't.

 

Atheists defend their positions, whereas theists just throw around their bullshit.

 

The difference is there's no logic involved in the latter.

 

So what you're saying is because we are defending our religious views, it instantly becomes bullshit, as aposed to doing the exact same thing minus God?

 

Yes.

 

Atheist perspectives are usually developed through some sort of logical thought process.

 

Theist perspectives are usually established through some sort of blind acceptance and/or faith.

 

Neither of those two things are logical in their natures, and thus, by default, are complete bullshit.

[CinnamonStar]

Well personally, I wouldn't call religion a taboo or touchy subject seeing that half of the threads in this forum address the topic.

 

I haven't seen many hardcore religious people on this site either except for 2 maybe.

Contrary to a higher number of other hardcore people who call everyone who doesn't agree with them idiots and ignorant.

(Dark, if someone questions YOUR views, you just sit there and do nothing right?;))

 

 

But personally, this is the last place I'd jump in and start talking about faith, criticism of faith, etc.>_>

 

I wouldn't feel like discussing religion or philosophy on a forum with either 12-year-olds who come here to talk about Yugioh or 15-to-17-year-olds who like to sound uber smart and intellectually superior by trolling and bashing other views.

 

Or people who only have Christianity, Judaism, Islam and maybe Hinduism and Buddhism in their mind when they talk about religions.

 

The general population is religious and since most religions are against homosexuality they' date=' the genral population, are also against it.[/quote']

 

I find this funny for example (no offense though :)).

[HORUS]

It's not a touchy subject.

 

It's just that you post these threads every 10 f***ing minutes.

 

If you were posting the most interesting topic in the world this much' date=' it'd become a touchy subject.

 

EDIT: Also, you usually mock their religion.

[/quote']

 

I've been banned for 2 weeks, and before that, I made 3 threads (2 of which were not purely religious but turned into religion threads) that were religiously tied.

 

Well personally' date=' I wouldn't call religion a taboo or touchy subject seeing that half of the threads in this forum address the topic.

 

I haven't seen many hardcore religious people on this site either except for 2 maybe.

Contrary to a higher number of other hardcore people who call everyone who doesn't agree with them idiots and ignorant.

(Dark, if someone questions YOUR views, you just sit there and do nothing right?;))

 

 

But personally, this is the last place I'd jump in and start talking about faith, criticism of faith, etc.>_>

 

I wouldn't feel like discussing religion or philosophy on a forum with either 12-year-olds who come here to talk about Yugioh or 15-to-17-year-olds who like to sound uber smart and intellectually superior by trolling and bashing other views.

 

Or people who only have Christianity, Judaism, Islam and maybe Hinduism and Buddhism in their mind when they talk about religions.

[/quote']

 

This isn't about the forum, it's about the world, and if you got outside and wore a shirt that says "God Doesn't Exist" you would find that people do consider it a touchy subject, as I did in my final semester of school last year, and a girl was so offended that she stormed from the photography classroom and went to see the principal (who told her to gtfo).

[KdogPrime]

 

Yes.

 

Atheist perspectives are usually developed through some sort of logical thought process.

 

Theist perspectives are usually established through some sort of blind acceptance and/or faith.

 

Neither of those two things are logical in their natures' date=' and thus, by default, are complete bullshit.

[/quote']

 

Ok, so, apparently all people who believe in religion are illogical. They can't possibly be reasonable, rational human beings.

 

So I guess the man who invented the mechanical printing press, Johannes Gutenberg, was a raving lunatic. So was the man who built the first mechanical clock, Henry de Vick. So was the father of genetics, Gregor Mendel. Mozart was a nutcase beyond compare. Even Isaac Newton was a violent psychotic! Oh the list goes on and on and on! So many of these great men of science, industry and music were mad as hatters because they believed in God!

 

In case I laid it on too thick, let me spell it out. Every one of those men, plus scores more like them, were believers in God, and most were devotely religious Christians. We owe many of our modern conveniences to groundwork laid by these people. Just the printing press itself is considered by many historians to be the single most influencial invention to date. The first book printed on a mechanical printing press? The Bible.

 

So if all these men were irrational for their belief in God, how could they possibly have made these very important contributions to the world?

 

Unless maybe you are wrong.

 

Who's spouting bullshit, I wonder?

[CinnamonStar]

It's not a touchy subject.

 

It's just that you post these threads every 10 f***ing minutes.

 

If you were posting the most interesting topic in the world this much' date=' it'd become a touchy subject.

 

EDIT: Also, you usually mock their religion.

[/quote']

 

I've been banned for 2 weeks, and before that, I made 3 threads (2 of which were not purely religious but turned into religion threads) that were religiously tied.

 

You didn't notice that the threads about Bible quotes and stuff got locked too right?

 

And last time I checked there is no fixed religion rule in General but there is one about flaming and insulting people.

 

 

This isn't about the forum' date=' it's about the world, and if you got outside and wore a shirt that says "God Doesn't Exist" you would find that people do consider it a touchy subject, as I did in my final semester of school last year, and a girl was so offended that she stormed from the photography classroom and went to see the principal (who told her to gtfo).

[/quote']

 

Then you live in a pretty dumb hole?

 

In my country I see a lot of people running around with Atheist or Antitheist slogans on their shirts and nothing happens about it (in spite of the political party on the spot at the moment). They rather get a lot of attention.;)

There's also a project about slogans like "There is probably no God, stop worrying and enjoy your life" getting stuck in busses. I think the same is going on in London.

 

Personally I think of course people are rarely pleased if you stick something under their nose that they don't agree with. Religious faith is a personal issue and some people tend be feel rejected or insulted if their personal views are challenged.

 

But then again it depends on the type of it. There's challenging and then there's calling everyone who doesn't agree ignorant idiots.

 

On this forum I have a feeling that there's a common trend about "atheism=intelligence" and "theism of any kind=stupid retards".

Nice generalization though.

So all the historical figures who believed into a higher being or something were idiots and everyone who's an atheist is automatically a great intellectual critical deep thinker?

[Willieh]

 

Yes.

 

Atheist perspectives are usually developed through some sort of logical thought process.

 

Theist perspectives are usually established through some sort of blind acceptance and/or faith.

 

Neither of those two things are logical in their natures' date=' and thus, by default, are complete bullshit.

[/quote']

 

Ok, so, apparently all people who believe in religion are illogical. They can't possibly be reasonable, rational human beings.

 

So I guess the man who invented the mechanical printing press, Johannes Gutenberg, was a raving lunatic. So was the man who built the first mechanical clock, Henry de Vick. So was the father of genetics, Gregor Mendel. Mozart was a nutcase beyond compare. Even Isaac Newton was a violent psychotic! Oh the list goes on and on and on! So many of these great men of science, industry and music were mad as hatters because they believed in God!

 

In case I laid it on too thick, let me spell it out. Every one of those men, plus scores more like them, were believers in God, and most were devotely religious Christians. We owe many of our modern conveniences to groundwork laid by these people. Just the printing press itself is considered by many historians to be the single most influencial invention to date. The first book printed on a mechanical printing press? The Bible.

 

So if all these men were irrational for their belief in God, how could they possibly have made these very important contributions to the world?

 

Unless maybe you are wrong.

 

Who's spouting bullshit, I wonder?

 

Lunatics can invent things. =\

 

Let meh put it this way for yah! If religion had NEVER ever ever ever been thought of before, and today I made a thread saying, "I believe that a guy sits in the sky and makes everything out of nothing", you people would think I'm as crazy as that one kid who came on here and said that he had an insect queen living under his bed, commanding him to do things.

[KdogPrime]

 

Yes.

 

Atheist perspectives are usually developed through some sort of logical thought process.

 

Theist perspectives are usually established through some sort of blind acceptance and/or faith.

 

Neither of those two things are logical in their natures' date=' and thus, by default, are complete bullshit.

[/quote']

 

Ok, so, apparently all people who believe in religion are illogical. They can't possibly be reasonable, rational human beings.

 

So I guess the man who invented the mechanical printing press, Johannes Gutenberg, was a raving lunatic. So was the man who built the first mechanical clock, Henry de Vick. So was the father of genetics, Gregor Mendel. Mozart was a nutcase beyond compare. Even Isaac Newton was a violent psychotic! Oh the list goes on and on and on! So many of these great men of science, industry and music were mad as hatters because they believed in God!

 

In case I laid it on too thick, let me spell it out. Every one of those men, plus scores more like them, were believers in God, and most were devotely religious Christians. We owe many of our modern conveniences to groundwork laid by these people. Just the printing press itself is considered by many historians to be the single most influencial invention to date. The first book printed on a mechanical printing press? The Bible.

 

So if all these men were irrational for their belief in God, how could they possibly have made these very important contributions to the world?

 

Unless maybe you are wrong.

 

Who's spouting bullshit, I wonder?

 

Lunatics can invent things. =\

 

Let meh put it this way for yah! If religion had NEVER ever ever ever been thought of before, and today I made a thread saying, "I believe that a guy sits in the sky and makes everything out of nothing", you people would think I'm as crazy as that one kid who came on here and said that he had an insect queen living under his bed, commanding him to do things.

 

You missed my point. My point is that these men were creative, industrious and ingenious. They were rational thinkers, and they were all religious. The arguement that people who believe in God must be irrational is obviously flawed and incorrect. It's an arguement based on opinion, not fact.

[HORUS]

Creative, industrious, ingenious =/= rational

 

Being brilliant doesn't make you rational.

 

For example, my idol Hitler. He was an incredibly smart guy who used his intellect to do the wrong things.

[Willieh]

 

Yes.

 

Atheist perspectives are usually developed through some sort of logical thought process.

 

Theist perspectives are usually established through some sort of blind acceptance and/or faith.

 

Neither of those two things are logical in their natures' date=' and thus, by default, are complete bullshit.

[/quote']

 

Ok, so, apparently all people who believe in religion are illogical. They can't possibly be reasonable, rational human beings.

 

So I guess the man who invented the mechanical printing press, Johannes Gutenberg, was a raving lunatic. So was the man who built the first mechanical clock, Henry de Vick. So was the father of genetics, Gregor Mendel. Mozart was a nutcase beyond compare. Even Isaac Newton was a violent psychotic! Oh the list goes on and on and on! So many of these great men of science, industry and music were mad as hatters because they believed in God!

 

In case I laid it on too thick, let me spell it out. Every one of those men, plus scores more like them, were believers in God, and most were devotely religious Christians. We owe many of our modern conveniences to groundwork laid by these people. Just the printing press itself is considered by many historians to be the single most influencial invention to date. The first book printed on a mechanical printing press? The Bible.

 

So if all these men were irrational for their belief in God, how could they possibly have made these very important contributions to the world?

 

Unless maybe you are wrong.

 

Who's spouting bullshit, I wonder?

 

Lunatics can invent things. =\

 

Let meh put it this way for yah! If religion had NEVER ever ever ever been thought of before, and today I made a thread saying, "I believe that a guy sits in the sky and makes everything out of nothing", you people would think I'm as crazy as that one kid who came on here and said that he had an insect queen living under his bed, commanding him to do things.

 

You missed my point. My point is that these men were creative, industrious and ingenious. They were rational thinkers, and they were all religious. The arguement that people who believe in God must be irrational is obviously flawed and incorrect. It's an arguement based on opinion, not fact.

 

I didn't miss your point. I was just pointing out that irrational thinkers can invent things too.

 

You're argument is also one based on opinion, rather than fact. Sire.

[KdogPrime]

 

I didn't miss your point. I was just pointing out that irrational thinkers can invent things too.

 

You're argument is also one based on opinion' date=' rather than fact. Sire.

[/quote']

 

Oh I see what you did there. You said what I just said to you in an attempt to make my previous assertion look foolish.

 

Why don't you prove that statement by citing an example of an irrational, insane person who invented something that enhanced mankind's quality of life an affected history the way my examples did? Better yet, find an ATHEIST who fits that description.

[Willieh]

 

I didn't miss your point. I was just pointing out that irrational thinkers can invent things too.

 

You're argument is also one based on opinion' date=' rather than fact. Sire.

[/quote']

 

Oh I see what you did there. You said what I just said to you in an attempt to make my previous assertion look foolish.

 

Why don't you prove that statement by citing an example of an irrational, insane person who invented something that enhanced mankind's quality of life an affected history the way my examples did? Better yet, find an ATHEIST who fits that description.

Any Christian who's ever invented anything... ever.

 

I hardly see how the second request even relates to this thread at all.

 

And I wasn't trying to "make your previous assertion look foolish." You did a pretty good job of that yourself if you consider believing in a deity to be rational thinking.

 

Also, if it's you, stop reporting EVERY single post I make.

[OMGAKITTY]

 

I didn't miss your point. I was just pointing out that irrational thinkers can invent things too.

 

You're argument is also one based on opinion' date=' rather than fact. Sire.

[/quote']

 

Oh I see what you did there. You said what I just said to you in an attempt to make my previous assertion look foolish.

 

Why don't you prove that statement by citing an example of an irrational, insane person who invented something that enhanced mankind's quality of life an affected history the way my examples did? Better yet, find an ATHEIST who fits that description.

Any Christian who's ever invented anything... ever.

 

Well this looks circular.

[KdogPrime]

 

I didn't miss your point. I was just pointing out that irrational thinkers can invent things too.

 

You're argument is also one based on opinion' date=' rather than fact. Sire.

[/quote']

 

Oh I see what you did there. You said what I just said to you in an attempt to make my previous assertion look foolish.

 

Why don't you prove that statement by citing an example of an irrational, insane person who invented something that enhanced mankind's quality of life an affected history the way my examples did? Better yet, find an ATHEIST who fits that description.

Any Christian who's ever invented anything... ever.

That's a pretty feeble attempt to insult me.

 

 

I hardly see how the second request even relates to this thread at all.

 

And I wasn't trying to "make your previous assertion look foolish." You did a pretty good job of that yourself if you consider believing in a deity to be rational thinking.

 

Also' date=' if it's you, stop reporting EVERY single post I make.

[/quote']

 

The reason I'm reporting your posts is for your signature, which is possibly breaking Rule 19. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

 

You keep stalling because you can't prove your own point. If irrational God-believers can make the world a better place and enhance our understanding of the world, surely there has to be at least one irrational atheist who's done the same? Or maybe you are wrong, and the religious people can be just as rational and forward thinking.

[Willieh]

 

I didn't miss your point. I was just pointing out that irrational thinkers can invent things too.

 

You're argument is also one based on opinion' date=' rather than fact. Sire.

[/quote']

 

Oh I see what you did there. You said what I just said to you in an attempt to make my previous assertion look foolish.

 

Why don't you prove that statement by citing an example of an irrational, insane person who invented something that enhanced mankind's quality of life an affected history the way my examples did? Better yet, find an ATHEIST who fits that description.

Any Christian who's ever invented anything... ever.

That's a pretty feeble attempt to insult me.

 

 

I hardly see how the second request even relates to this thread at all.

 

And I wasn't trying to "make your previous assertion look foolish." You did a pretty good job of that yourself if you consider believing in a deity to be rational thinking.

 

Also' date=' if it's you, stop reporting EVERY single post I make.

[/quote']

 

The reason I'm reporting your posts is for your signature, which is possibly breaking Rule 19. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

 

You keep stalling because you can't prove your own point. If irrational God-believers can make the world a better place and enhance our understanding of the world, surely there has to be at least one irrational atheist who's done the same? Or maybe you are wrong, and the religious people can be just as rational and forward thinking.

 

My signature isn't breaking any rules that I know of. And, even if it is/was, why don't you send a message to a moderator instead of reporting my posts? >_>

 

You keep repeating your dumb sheet. I never said that a Christian person is unable to make a difference or to enhance the understanding of our world. I'm just saying that it's irrational to believe in god, thus making every Christian is to some degree irrational.