Hey it's that time of the year again [Real Banlist Discussion]

[CrabHelmet]

Have Stratos errata'd to:

 

Blahblahblah choose an effect:

*When this card is Normal Summoned' date=' add 1 level 4 or lower "Elemental Hero"[b'], "Destiny Hero", or "Evil Hero" [/b]from your Deck to your hand, except "Elemental Hero Stratos".

*Blahblahblah destroy s/t

 

The only thing needed is the "except 'Elemental Hero Stratos'" part.

 

With my nerf it won't be (ab)useable in D-Draw engines anymore.

 

The D-Hero draw engine isn't bad for the game, it's just a way to add a draw engine to decks without one. The only thing "bad" about the D-Hero engine is one card, Malicious, other than that it's fine.

 

And Disk Commander.

 

But both of those are just as problematic without Stratos and Destiny Draw as with. It's not so much that the D-Hero engine has something bad about it - namely, a bad card - than it is that there exist bad cards that happen to fit in the D-Hero engine.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

Ok but even without the destiny hero engine. You'd want the errata'd stratos at 3 plus 3 rota plus 3 emergency call not to mention 3 ocean to recycle everything? It's way to redundant.

 

Plus Konami won't errata stratos. So it's either 0, 1 or 3 for him. 3 is bad for the game, at 1 he's still a powerhouse and he's splashed everywhere (zombies, zero, cosmos, monarch...).

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

Ok but even without the destiny hero engine. You'd want the errata'd stratos at 3 plus 3 rota plus 3 emergency call not to mention 3 ocean to recycle everything? It's way to redundant.

 

Plus Konami won't errata stratos. So it's either 0' date=' 1 or 3 for him. 3 is bad for the game, at 1 he's still a powerhouse and he's splashed everywhere (zombies, zero, cosmos, monarch...).

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Stratos isn't splashed anywhere unless it's with D-Heroes

[Tronta]

eheroes.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

That's not splashing him, that's the deck he's designed for.

[Tronta]

the E stands for evil.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

Stratos isn't splashed in Evil Hero or D-Hero decks either, he was made for the Hero archetypes.

[Tronta]

disagree.

he was errata'd to support evil heroes too. so his original intent was destiny and elemental.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

He still isn't "splashed" into Evil Heroes, it is specifically designed to support the hero archetypes, even if they had to errata in the Evil Heroes, but then it came out way before Evil Heroes I assume.

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

he's the Hero that goes ALL ways..... (no sick puns intended)

 

at 1 he is fine, at 3 he is dangerous, at 0 i am sad...

 

in order to use stratos, a deck must contain Destiny Heroes the only reason it may seem broken is people also use this card called Destiny Draw which is often run with destiny heroes. If Stratos targetted E-Heroes only, he would be fine.... its because of the availability of 3 Destiny Draws that stratos can be considered a dangerous card.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

But Stratos isn't really broken, the only reason he's at 1 is because of searching himself. Even at that, the D-Hero draw engine isn't broken, it's specific D-Heros that are the problem *coughMaliciouscough*

 

But both of those are just as problematic without Stratos and Destiny Draw as with. It's not so much that the D-Hero engine has something bad about it - namely' date=' a bad card - than it is that there exist bad cards that happen to fit in the D-Hero engine.

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If Stratos couldn't target himself he could go back to 3

[CrabHelmet]

disagree.

he was errata'd to support evil heroes too. so his original intent was destiny and elemental.

 

The OCG text says that he works with any "Hero" monster. The TCG couldn't use that text because they already had stuff like "Hero Kid", so they said that he worked with either of the two then-existing types of Heroes - Elemental and Destiny. When Evil Heroes came out, Stratos was supposed to work with them due to his OCG text, so in the TCG he required an erratum.

 

However, even if you were right, it still wouldn't count as splashing him by any sense of the word "splashing"; after all, no matter how the text got there, it was there when people included him in Evil Heroes, so all they were doing was using explicit Evil Hero support. In other words, you're so horribly wrong that, even if you were right, you'd still be horribly wrong. Astounding.

[Tronta]

oh quiet down crabs and daz. it was a stupid, silly argument to begin with. beating it up is utterly pointless. get a life, you two. it's a children's card game after all.

 

christ, you're arguing a fictitious banlist when the real one is likely right there. don't get your panties in a bunch.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

Since when is discussing Stratos arguing a fictitious banlist...

[-Berserker-]

disagree.

he was errata'd to support evil heroes too. so his original intent was destiny and elemental.

 

The OCG text says that he works with any "Hero" monster. The TCG couldn't use that text because they already had stuff like "Hero Kid"' date=' so they said that he worked with either of the two then-existing types of Heroes - Elemental and Destiny. When Evil Heroes came out, Stratos was supposed to work with them due to his OCG text, so in the TCG he required an erratum.

 

However, even if you were right, it still wouldn't count as splashing him by any sense of the word "splashing"; after all, no matter how the text got there, it was there when people included him in Evil Heroes, so all they were doing was using explicit Evil Hero support. In other words, you're so horribly wrong that, even if you were right, you'd still be horribly wrong. Astounding.

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So, I can use it for Zombyra? Great!

[Manjoume Thunder]

Zombyra - ダーク・ヒーロー ゾンバイア

E/D/Ev Heroes - ＨＥＲＯ

 

Guess again :D

[CrabHelmet]

disagree.

he was errata'd to support evil heroes too. so his original intent was destiny and elemental.

 

The OCG text says that he works with any "Hero" monster. The TCG couldn't use that text because they already had stuff like "Hero Kid"' date=' so they said that he worked with either of the two then-existing types of Heroes - Elemental and Destiny. When Evil Heroes came out, Stratos was supposed to work with them due to his OCG text, so in the TCG he required an erratum.

 

However, even if you were right, it still wouldn't count as splashing him by any sense of the word "splashing"; after all, no matter how the text got there, it was there when people included him in Evil Heroes, so all they were doing was using explicit Evil Hero support. In other words, you're so horribly wrong that, even if you were right, you'd still be horribly wrong. Astounding.

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So, I can use it for Zombyra? Great!

 

No. Similarly, Regenerating Rose and Infernal Incinerator are not Archfiends.

[Tronta]

i havent been paying much attention, but why arent we in the likely confirmed banlist topic?

 

but since we want to argue semantics soooo badly:

Stratos isn't splashed anywhere unless it's with D-Heroes

 

this statement implies that stratos is splashable with dheroes, an archetype he was designed to support.

based on this definition of splashable, which you introduced, its fair to argue that he's splashable both with elemental and evil heroes. this overturns all previous statements you made against stratos' "splashablity" in hero decks. you wanna troll me on semantics, we can funking troll on semantics.

[Aero~]

I think BRD to semi' date=' butterfly dagger elma to 1.

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I <3 this comment.

 

 

If a decktype dies if it loses just 1 card' date=' maybe that decktype doesn't deserve to be alive, anyways... I'm sure Skilless decks can be played even without Skill Drain.

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If you ban Red Gadget, the whole Gadget deck dies.

 

Is that an insult, or?

[CrabHelmet]

i havent been paying much attention' date=' but why arent we in the likely confirmed banlist topic?

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From what I've seen on Pojo, that banlist is known to be fake.

[Aero~]

i havent been paying much attention' date=' but why arent we in the likely confirmed banlist topic?

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From what I've seen on Pojo, that banlist is known to be fake.

 

Pojo. Really.

 

OOC: Wanna' see something funny? Pick up Pojo's unofficial 2005 guide.

[CrabHelmet]

i havent been paying much attention' date=' but why arent we in the likely confirmed banlist topic?

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From what I've seen on Pojo, that banlist is known to be fake.

 

Pojo. Really.

 

Pojo's Banlist board has far more intelligent posters than YCM's. Granted, some of them are insane and subscribe to the most absurd interpretations of 3/0 I've ever seen - one wanted to ban all the Monarchs, while another thinks the game is a shallow war of floaters and thinks a card should be banned if and only if it is better than +0 - but there are intelligent people who haven't jumped off the deep end yet, and, more importantly, they in the past have been able to distinguish fake lists from real ones.

[RyanAtlus]

But still, there are forums worse than YCM.

[Tronta]

is it fake now? i dont care. as long as they dont mess with my deck and they fix some of my competition.

we'll know in a week or two. no reason to fret.

[RyanAtlus]

Flippiez aren't meta.

They'd need that gay clown thing, and cyber jar.