The banlist isn't the problem, but the format's meta will suck

[BulletMan]

FTK is not as easy as it looks (or OTK). Reference is a Toad, not a Frog. And The number of frogs there are are:

Dupe

Flip Flop

Poison Draw

Swap

Submarine

Beezle

Des

Treeborn which is at 2.

 

So that is 23 Frogs out of 19 needed for the FTK. But then you need Reference and Substitoad. That takes up more space. + you need room for other cards.

 

I just made a Deck of this (20 Frogs, 2 Substi, 3 Reference) and the rest Spells and Draw cards like Hand Destruction/Moray of Greed. The Frogs aren't actually that easy to use this way, but I bet I'll finally find the key to that...

[burnpsy]

@theed: Assuming their had was RFP'd through Handless Fake (most are going to be trying that, especially with its wording protecting you from losing your hand by your opponent's MST), they could have the required card in their hand already and thus not be topdecking at all. Besides, this runs into the same argument that we had yesterday: Counterability =/= Bad, and nobody's guaranteed to draw anything that they may have to counter something. Assuming that this is the case is simply failed logic. Even if they had their entire Side Deck focused on countering Infernities (a ridiculous notion as-is), they aren't guaranteed to draw any of them.

 

Anyways:

 

Decks that got significant enough support to be a potential new meta threat (feel free to expand this list):

 

Infernities

Frogs

Anything with Machines

[Sleepy]

^I've seen someone with a fairly good Deck using Archlord Crystia =D

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

FTK is not as easy as it looks (or OTK).

I've been doing it rather consistently(7/10-ish) and have yet to even test the changes I've made that are a clear upgrade.

[Wizarus]

@theed: Assuming their had was RFP'd through Handless Fake (most are going to be trying that' date=' especially with its wording protecting you from losing your hand by your opponent's MST), they could have the required card in their hand already and thus not be topdecking at all. Besides, this runs into the same argument that we had yesterday: Counterability =/= Bad, and [b']nobody's guaranteed to draw anything that they may have to counter something. Assuming that this is the case is simply failed logic.[/b] Even if they had their entire Side Deck focused on countering Infernities (a ridiculous notion as-is), they aren't guaranteed to draw any of them.

 

Anyways:

 

Decks that got significant enough support to be a potential new meta threat (feel free to expand this list):

 

Infernities

Frogs

Anything with Machines

 

Has that ruling been confirmed? I'm not certain about that.

 

But there is a difference. You can't compare JD to Infernities. JD is a threat seperate from the rest of Lightsworns. One perfectly timed D.D. Crow ruins the entire duel for Infernities. That's the problem; it's an OTK or nothing deck. You may not be guarenteed to draw a counter for the OTK, but there's an extremely high chance you will, and you do only need 1 counter to kill the deck.

[b0b3rt]

I've seen monarchs mentioned in this thread but nobody really expanded on them.

 

They got:

2nd Cydra

2nd Treeborn

2nd Dandi (which sucks, but is still technically a gain)

Hampster Thing

 

They lost:

1 Oppression (which most of the time they didn't use anyways, because you only run @2).

1 Foolish Burial (which isn't such a horrible blow because it's easy to get stuff in the grave anyways).

 

The biggest things are Cydra and Treeborn. Even with Foolish @1 getting treeborn into the grave is easier now, and it's going to a lot of +1s with 2 of them.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

I've seen monarchs mentioned in this thread but nobody really expanded on them.

 

They got:

2nd Cydra

2nd Treeborn

2nd Dandi (which sucks' date=' but is still technically a gain)

Hampster Thing

 

They lost:

1 Oppression (which most of the time they didn't use anyways, because you only run @2).

1 Foolish Burial (which isn't such a horrible blow because it's easy to get stuff in the grave anyways).

 

The biggest things are Cydra and Treeborn. Even with Foolish @1 getting treeborn into the grave is easier now, and it's going to a lot of +1s with 2 of them.

[/quote']

 

You are forgetting Battle Fader. Plus DP kaiba will bring more Fiend's Sanctuary for Monarchs player. I really think they have a chance in the next format. My build really destroys GB and X-Sabers right now. I just need to find a way to beat BW on a regular basis.

[archie17]

To the OP, I personally think they need to increase the Limited list alot more than it is. I looked at the list today and it looks as if Konami has kept it very minimal, as to avoid adding more cards, which would otherwise be a sign that they had produced too many OP'ed cards. only because so many arch types are just too powerful these days, it was bad enough with LS and DAD, but now were going to have more dominating arch types arising. Heck I can win with a LS with no skill involved, its almost like the Deck wins by itself (atleast in the video games).

 

There are about 95 cards that are semi/limited out of 3000 + TCG cards. Doesn't that just seem low

[-Griffin]

To the OP' date=' I personally think they need to increase the Limited list alot more than it is. I looked at the list today and it looks as if Konami has kept it very minimal, as to avoid adding more cards, which would otherwise be a sign that they had produced too many OP'ed cards. only because so many arch types are just too powerful these days, it was bad enough with LS and DAD, but now were going to have more dominating arch types arising. Heck I can win with a LS with no skill involved, its almost like the Deck wins by itself (atleast in the video games).

 

There are about 95 cards that are semi/limited out of 3000 + TCG cards. Doesn't that just seem low

[/quote']

 

In the games, Arcana Force can trash everything without skill. Heck, random beatstick.dek can waltz through story mode with a blindfold and not worry about losing. The games are bloody easy =/

[Manjoume Thunder]

But Inferinty's suck...

 

Have you seen the new support?

 

Even that still may not be enough. The handless fake is their only hope.

 

Handless Fake is horrible.

 

 

But Inferinty's suck...

 

Have you seen the new support?

 

Failure is not a marketable strategy' date=' regardless of how much of a surplus you have of it.

[/quote']

 

Format will be Blackwings and Infernities in japan. But infernities always lose to BW since a simple dd crow wrecks the combo. Plus BW maindeck oppression.

 

Infernity here will be even worse because we lack trishula and ally of justice decisive arms.

 

Infernity suck, it's true because you have to get rid of all your cards and set up a 1 card OTK, but if that 1 card gets countered you lose because you're left with nothing but the top of your deck.

 

Here, I'm pretty sure the meta will be BW, GB and X-Sabers. Maybe Monarchs too because they got battle fader and a new engine with Hamsters.

 

This.

Except for the last part.

Why does everyone say that Monarchs will be good and no one care about the gadgets. Monarchs will suck and Gadgets have a fairly good chance due to their good match-ups with the current "top decks".

[Rose]

Monarchs will be more playable this format.

The Gadgets are brilliant with Smashing Ground gone to 3. Trag at 1 didn't really hurt them too much.

[werewolfjedi]

To the OP' date=' I personally think they need to increase the Limited list alot more than it is. I looked at the list today and it looks as if Konami has kept it very minimal, as to avoid adding more cards, which would otherwise be a sign that they had produced too many OP'ed cards. only because so many arch types are just too powerful these days, it was bad enough with LS and DAD, but now were going to have more dominating arch types arising. Heck I can win with a LS with no skill involved, its almost like the Deck wins by itself (atleast in the video games).

 

There are about 95 cards that are semi/limited out of 3000 + TCG cards. Doesn't that just seem low

[/quote']

 

In the games, Arcana Force can trash everything without skill. Heck, random beatstick.dek can waltz through story mode with a blindfold and not worry about losing. The games are bloody easy =/

 

not in WC2010, this time, the decks later on actualy have some bite to them. and a few anti-beatstick decks just to annoy the funk out of you.

[-Griffin]

To the OP' date=' I personally think they need to increase the Limited list alot more than it is. I looked at the list today and it looks as if Konami has kept it very minimal, as to avoid adding more cards, which would otherwise be a sign that they had produced too many OP'ed cards. only because so many arch types are just too powerful these days, it was bad enough with LS and DAD, but now were going to have more dominating arch types arising. Heck I can win with a LS with no skill involved, its almost like the Deck wins by itself (atleast in the video games).

 

There are about 95 cards that are semi/limited out of 3000 + TCG cards. Doesn't that just seem low

[/quote']

 

In the games, Arcana Force can trash everything without skill. Heck, random beatstick.dek can waltz through story mode with a blindfold and not worry about losing. The games are bloody easy =/

 

not in WC2010, this time, the decks later on actualy have some bite to them. and a few anti-beatstick decks just to annoy the f*** out of you.

 

In WC2010, I has to stop using themed Decks because it was too easy. "Video games are loleasy" still applies.

[werewolfjedi]

To the OP' date=' I personally think they need to increase the Limited list alot more than it is. I looked at the list today and it looks as if Konami has kept it very minimal, as to avoid adding more cards, which would otherwise be a sign that they had produced too many OP'ed cards. only because so many arch types are just too powerful these days, it was bad enough with LS and DAD, but now were going to have more dominating arch types arising. Heck I can win with a LS with no skill involved, its almost like the Deck wins by itself (atleast in the video games).

 

There are about 95 cards that are semi/limited out of 3000 + TCG cards. Doesn't that just seem low

[/quote']

 

In the games, Arcana Force can trash everything without skill. Heck, random beatstick.dek can waltz through story mode with a blindfold and not worry about losing. The games are bloody easy =/

 

not in WC2010, this time, the decks later on actualy have some bite to them. and a few anti-beatstick decks just to annoy the f*** out of you.

 

In WC2010, I has to stop using themed Decks because it was too easy. "Video games are loleasy" still applies.

 

you use AR right off the bat don't you?

 

I don't until I finish the storyline.

 

that would create a difference in opinon,

you just go make LS or vayu-turbo or some other meta deck, right?

[-Griffin]

To the OP' date=' I personally think they need to increase the Limited list alot more than it is. I looked at the list today and it looks as if Konami has kept it very minimal, as to avoid adding more cards, which would otherwise be a sign that they had produced too many OP'ed cards. only because so many arch types are just too powerful these days, it was bad enough with LS and DAD, but now were going to have more dominating arch types arising. Heck I can win with a LS with no skill involved, its almost like the Deck wins by itself (atleast in the video games).

 

There are about 95 cards that are semi/limited out of 3000 + TCG cards. Doesn't that just seem low

[/quote']

 

In the games, Arcana Force can trash everything without skill. Heck, random beatstick.dek can waltz through story mode with a blindfold and not worry about losing. The games are bloody easy =/

 

not in WC2010, this time, the decks later on actualy have some bite to them. and a few anti-beatstick decks just to annoy the f*** out of you.

 

In WC2010, I has to stop using themed Decks because it was too easy. "Video games are loleasy" still applies.

 

you use AR right off the bat don't you?

 

I don't until I finish the storyline.

 

that would create a difference in opinon,

you just go make LS or vayu-turbo or some other meta deck, right?

 

Still haven't used AR, actually. It was too easy using:

Heros

CyDra

Machina

Gadgets

Monarchs

Spellcasters

Dark Worlds

Umi Deck

 

So I just went for "randomtech.dek", highlander format, and won. (Except the last 4 duels, which I expected to be hard, so I changed to CyDra, and OTK'd all opponent's. Pitifully easy.)

[werewolfjedi]

I actually havent gotten all the cards for all of those yet.

 

doing to many other things really.

 

I like what they did with the point system though, turn bonus is X3, and they added in the bonus bonus, which gives just that little bit more.

 

casters have been doing the job over here.

 

I'm still trying to figure out which race track is best for points and on what hardness, since you can run 3-4 races in the time is takes for 1 duel.

[Tronta]

CAN I PLAY TOO GUYZ?

 

[Manjoume Thunder]

CAN I PLAY TOO GUYZ?

 

 

No.

[Tronta]

well then youre just silly. i foresee fairy control, especially with the ritual support, being a solid build in the upcoming meta.

[burnpsy]

Has that ruling been confirmed? I'm not certain about that.

 

No ruling is even needed. It continues on because it's in the same sentence, as most similarly-worded cards work.

 

Compare it to Future Visions, which doesn't return the monsters if destroyed due to that part being in a different sentence.

[-Griffin]

Has that ruling been confirmed? I'm not certain about that.

 

No ruling is even needed. It continues on because it's in the same sentence' date=' as most similarly-worded cards work.

 

Compare it to Future Visions, which doesn't return the monsters if destroyed due to that part being in a different sentence.

[/quote']

 

Doom Lord ruling.