Marijuana might be legal in California (hahahaha take that Icy)

[Father Wolf]

The ballot initiative would allow for an individual to possess no more than one ounce, so long as they were over the age of 21. It would also allow for an individual to operate a grow room for personal consumption, but the room can be no larger than five foot by five foot, and for cities and counties to regulate the cultivation of marijuana and to regulate and tax the distribution of it.

(the ballot gathered over 650,000 signatures)

California is 24.3 billion dollars in debt and thus taxes and regulation will be placed on the state's number one cash crop. The additional tax revenue, combined with the saving in law enforcement, and increased tourism will help to remove this debt.

But either way, how great a piece of news is this. California will not be the only, but the first. Once California makes it legal, other states will be tripping on themselves to follow suit.

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[Yankee]

Wait..it isn't already legal?

OSHI-

[Amethyst Phoenix]

And thus our world descends just a little bit further into the depths of depravity.

[Yankee]

And thus our world descends just a little bit further into the depths of depravity.

 

LIES.

It will have the opposite effect.

Now that it is legal, crimes involving it will occur less often.

You can follow the chain from there.

[Amethyst Phoenix]

I agree that legalization reduces crime rates.

 

 

It's just sad that we have to allow such a worthless drug to be used just to stop people from screwing things up.

 

 

There should be a world where we don't need any laws regarding it, because the people are intelligent enough to forsake it of their own free will.

 

 

Recreational (ab)users of it are pathetic, worthless human beings.

[Dizzy~]

And thus our world descends just a little bit further into the depths of depravity.

 

LIES.

It will have the opposite effect.

Now that it is legal' date=' crimes involving it will occur less often.

You can follow the chain from there.

[/quote']

 

They would only be able to have an ounce, the crimes would keep on occuring as they are.

[CrabHelmet]

I think they should also ban alcohol/atheism/gay marriage/marijuana because alcohol-drinkers/atheists/gays/marijuana-users are worthless human beings and we should have a world in which banning atheism isn't even necessary because nobody is stupid enough to be an alcohol-drinker/atheist/gay/marijuana-user, but in the mean time we should ban alcohol/atheism/gay marriage/marijuana because some people don't love Jesus enough to adopt my moral standards without having them forced on them.

 

Also, I'm not terribly optimistic about this, given that California has already demonstrated what it does when rights are placed up for vote (which is a problem in and of itself) when those rights are fundamental civil rights without the negative side-effects of mind-altering drugs.

[Yankee]

And thus our world descends just a little bit further into the depths of depravity.

 

LIES.

It will have the opposite effect.

Now that it is legal' date=' crimes involving it will occur less often.

You can follow the chain from there.

[/quote']

 

They would only be able to have an ounce, the crimes would keep on occuring as they are.

 

They would still drop off

Eventually they will allow more.

Come on, you're smart enough to see this.

[Guest Random Dude]

Cartels might stop smuggling in the states. Leading to their inactivity and they wil eventualy stop.

[-Berserker-]

If USA does it, my country will copy it. My country will become the richest country in the region due to export...

[Dark]

I think they should also ban alcohol/atheism/gay marriage/marijuana because alcohol-drinkers/atheists/gays/marijuana-users are worthless human beings and we should have a world in which banning atheism isn't even necessary because nobody is stupid enough to be an alcohol-drinker/atheist/gay/marijuana-user, but in the mean time we should ban alcohol/atheism/gay marriage/marijuana because some people don't love Jesus enough to adopt my moral standards without having them forced on them.

 

...I just realized that I'm atheist. I'm praying to a non-existant god that Crab Helmet does not become the world leader. :/

 

If USA does it' date=' my country will copy it. My country will become the richest country in the region due to export...

[/quote']

 

You live in Mexico.

 

More on topic, however, this is probably the smartest thing this country has done so far. :/

 

Marijuana is proven to have few detrimental side effects (less than cigarettes, and those are legal), and if you tax the freaking hell out of it, it brings munny.

[-Berserker-]

 

If USA does it' date=' my country will copy it. My country will become the richest country in the region due to export...

[/quote']

 

You live in Mexico.

 

 

Never. I live in the corner of the world. I don't know if my country is the biggest producer of it, but, according to europeans countries where it is legal, the thing of a zone of here is the best of the world.

[CrabHelmet]

...I just realized that I'm atheist.

 

I'm pretty sure you realized that sometime earlier' date=' actually.

 

I'm praying to a non-existant god that Crab Helmet does not become the world leader. :/

 

ALL HAIL FUHRER-PRESIDENT KING CRABHELMET!

[Dark]

...I just realized that I'm atheist.

 

I'm pretty sure you realized that sometime earlier' date=' actually.

 

I'm praying to a non-existant god that Crab Helmet does not become the world leader. :/

 

ALL HAIL FUHRER-PRESIDENT KING CRABHELMET!

 

Point made.

 

And holy hell, I'll kill myself before Crab Helmet becomes the president-king. D:

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

pott research of my bf's
[spoiler]I'm not sure if I've posted this spiel in this thread already or not, but lets give it another go.

Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects, however it is interesting to note that there is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a single proven or documented cannabis-induced fatality.

The record of marijuana use encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. It is estimated that from 10 to 20 million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.

By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes tens of thousands of deaths each year.

Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success.

Enormous doses of Delta 9 THC, All THC and concentrated marijuana extract ingested by mouth were unable to produce death or organ pathology in large mammals.

The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg of THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds of marijuana at one time. In addition, 92 mg THC produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds of marijuana, or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose, and over a million times the minimal effective dose, assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking.

Simply put, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death to this date.

At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity.

Another common medical way to determine drug safety is called the therapeutic ratio. This ratio defines the difference between a therapeutically effective dose and a dose which is capable of inducing adverse effects.

A commonly used over-the-counter product like aspirin has a therapeutic ratio of around 1:20. Two aspirins are the recommended dose for adult patients. Twenty times this dose, forty aspirins, may cause a lethal reaction in some patients, and will almost certainly cause gross injury to the digestive system, including extensive internal bleeding.

The therapeutic ratio for prescribed drugs is commonly around 1:10 or lower. Valium, a commonly used prescriptive drug, may cause very serious biological damage if patients use ten times the recommended (therapeutic) dose.

By contrast, marijuana's therapeutic ratio, like its LD-50, is impossible to quantify because it is so high. In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death.

Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine without significant consequence, more so than any medically prescribed substances on the market to date.

By comparison, smoking pot is much safer than smoking cigarettes, one reason being that marijuana is not inherently as addictive as tobacco because it does not contain nicotine. Many more people get addicted to tobacco smoking than marijuana smoking, because the chemical reliance to keep the habit going simply isn't there for marijuana, many stop using marijuana as they get older, whereas cigarette smoking usually leads to lifetime use.

Not to mention that the act of smoking marijuana involves taking significantly less smoke into your lungs than tobacco users, as well as the fact that marijuana requires much less use in order to get the desired affect. You will hardly ever see a person who feels the need to smoke seven marijuana joints a day, by comparison cigarette use can be an entire 20-cig pack in a day. Marijuana smokers typically don't have more than one on average, and they tend to quit the habit much easier.

Marijuana is used to alleviate Cancer and HIV symptoms, as well as relieve sufferers of Influenza and the affects of Chemotherapy treatment. It's also been suggested to help those with Anorexia and Alzheimer's, and that it may even inhibit cancer cell growth. It helps those with Multiple Sclerosis with muscle use, and some have claimed success with OCD and Tourettes patients in controlling of their ticks.

Significant medical uses for Cannabis are still being researched and discovered.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0908103045.htm
http://www.webmd.com/news/20000228/m...y-brain-cancer
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/f...gs_2-13-09.php

And some alternative views that have been brought about in recent times as people have sought to fight against the War on Drugs:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4844665.shtml
http://www.alternet.org/story/71504/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti3QAlKx10c&fmt18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFmtirw5io8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LayaGk0TMDc
already or not, but lets give it another go.

Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects, however it is interesting to note that there is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a single proven or documented cannabis-induced fatality.

The record of marijuana use encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. It is estimated that from 10 to 20 million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.

By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes tens of thousands of deaths each year.

Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success.

Enormous doses of Delta 9 THC, All THC and concentrated marijuana extract ingested by mouth were unable to produce death or organ pathology in large mammals.

The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg of THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds of marijuana at one time. In addition, 92 mg THC produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds of marijuana, or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose, and over a million times the minimal effective dose, assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking.


Simply put, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death to this date.

At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity.

Another common medical way to determine drug safety is called the therapeutic ratio. This ratio defines the difference between a therapeutically effective dose and a dose which is capable of inducing adverse effects.

A commonly used over-the-counter product like aspirin has a therapeutic ratio of around 1:20. Two aspirins are the recommended dose for adult patients. Twenty times this dose, forty aspirins, may cause a lethal reaction in some patients, and will almost certainly cause gross injury to the digestive system, including extensive internal bleeding.

The therapeutic ratio for prescribed drugs is commonly around 1:10 or lower. Valium, a commonly used prescriptive drug, may cause very serious biological damage if patients use ten times the recommended (therapeutic) dose.

By contrast, marijuana's therapeutic ratio, like its LD-50, is impossible to quantify because it is so high. In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death.

Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine without significant consequence, more so than any medically prescribed substances on the market to date.

By comparison, smoking pot is much safer than smoking cigarettes, one reason being that marijuana is not inherently as addictive as tobacco because it does not contain nicotine. Many more people get addicted to tobacco smoking than marijuana smoking, because the chemical reliance to keep the habit going simply isn't there for marijuana, many stop using marijuana as they get older, whereas cigarette smoking usually leads to lifetime use.

Not to mention that the act of smoking marijuana involves taking significantly less smoke into your lungs than tobacco users, as well as the fact that marijuana requires much less use in order to get the desired affect. You will hardly ever see a person who feels the need to smoke seven marijuana joints a day, by comparison cigarette use can be an entire 20-cig pack in a day. Marijuana smokers typically don't have more than one on average, and they tend to quit the habit much easier.

Marijuana is used to alleviate Cancer and HIV symptoms, as well as relieve sufferers of Influenza and the affects of Chemotherapy treatment. It's also been suggested to help those with Anorexia and Alzheimer's, and that it may even inhibit cancer cell growth. It helps those with Multiple Sclerosis with muscle use, and some have claimed success with OCD and Tourettes patients in controlling of their ticks.

Significant medical uses for Cannabis are still being researched and discovered.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0908103045.htm
http://www.webmd.com/news/20000228/m...y-brain-cancer
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/f...gs_2-13-09.php

And some alternative views that have been brought about in recent times as people have sought to fight against the War on Drugs:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n4844665.shtml
http://www.alternet.org/story/71504/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti3QAlKx10c&fmt18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFmtirw5io8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LayaGk0TMDc
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I hope that convinces you all that pott is safe and useful. Anyway what is the current status of the debate now in California?

[Father Wolf]

^ pretty decent read

 

 

I agree that legalization reduces crime rates.

 

 

It's just sad that we have to allow such a worthless drug to be used just to stop people from screwing things up.

 

 

There should be a world where we don't need any laws regarding it' date=' because the people are intelligent enough to forsake it of their own free will.

 

[b']

Recreational (ab)users of it are pathetic, worthless human beings.[/b]

 

Well i must be pretty pathetic, and a worthless human being for partying hard.

[Guest JoshIcy]

I couldn't care less how much it helps people.

 

Should there not be strict moral and legal codes I follow, I'd kill all smokers without remorse including my own family. It's a disgusting, shameful and morbidly immature behavior. If you want to get "high" off something, use life as a whole not as an object.

 

Disgusting creatures. May your bodies be diced up and heads shown on a pike to warn others never to start.

[Guest Random Dude]

Icy is right, they do need to legalize it in Mexico though, it's crazy over there now. I used to go every weekend, now I avoid it as much as I can so I don't get shot at or carjacked.

[Dark]

I couldn't care less how much it helps people.

 

Should there not be strict moral and legal codes I follow' date=' I'd kill all smokers without remorse including my own family. It's a disgusting, shameful and morbidly immature behavior. If you want to get "high" off something, use life as a whole not as an object.

 

Disgusting creatures. May your bodies be diced up and heads shown on a pike to warn others never to start.

[/quote']

 

Ignorance, much? You should not get involved in other people's business, really. If I want to go get high off of cocaine, jump off a bridge and die in the Atlantic ocean, you out of all people should not be the one to stop me. I could care less how much you are against drugs, suicide and polluting the waters with blood. It's my choice to do all of those three things, and I'd love to see you stop me. If marijuana does become legal, the absolute best you can do is make some crappy petition in an attempt to overturn it. If you kill or harm anyone because of their practices (that don't even affect you, really), it just shows your ignorance and stupidity. :/

[Death Metal]

Awesomeness bro!

 

Now we can like totally use our magical pot powers to cure AIDS, stop world hunger, and bring world peace. That would be like so super awesome bro man.

 

 

 

RIP CALIFORNIA, THE FIRST STATE TO FALL TO PEER PRESSURE. =]

[CrabHelmet]

I couldn't care less how much it helps people.

 

Anyone who doesn't think this sentence is a good reason to stop reading should think again. This sentence alone shows an absurd self-centric worldview in which one person's moral standards should dictate the legality of actions that others can take that cannot possibly harm anyone with the possible exception of the action's taker himself or herself. It is ludicrous.

[Guest JoshIcy]

I couldn't care less how much it helps people.

 

Anyone who doesn't think this sentence is a good reason to stop reading should think again. This sentence alone shows an absurd self-centric worldview in which one person's moral standards should dictate the legality of actions that others can take that cannot possibly harm anyone with the possible exception of the action's taker himself or herself. It is ludicrous.

 

The thing is though Crabs' date=' my own vanity with what doing good and keeping people alive is so great I simply could not act on my hatred for it. If I did, I'd be the first one I'd kill preventing said massacre I talk so much about.

 

It's intentionally all talk, to express how deep it goes. But anyone who knows me, knows that my first rule of life is [b']"Harm unto oneself before harm unto another"[/b]. It's quite literally impossible for me to act on my hate. And leaves it to be all talk as a way of venting out my deep and ingrained hatred for it; due to how it ruined my family and home island.

 

Father Wolf knows this best. And btw, typo I meant to say "How much people claim it helps them".

[Eury]

Weed is actually good for you as long as you don't smoke it too much. Maybe once every 1-2 weeks/month.

 

Cigarettes are just stupid, but I couldn't care less if someone smokes them. That's their choice, not mine. I'm not going to stop them or try to stop them.

[-SupernovA-]

ALL HAIL FUHRER-PRESIDENT KING CRABHELMET!

 

This.

 

I got 20 bucks saying the people who decided to put this up to vote were high. I can imagine the meeting...

[CrabHelmet]

The thing is though Crabs' date=' my own vanity with what doing good and keeping people alive is so great I simply could not act on my hatred for it. If I did, I'd be the first one I'd kill preventing said massacre I talk so much about.

 

It's intentionally all talk, to express how deep it goes. But anyone who knows me, knows that my first rule of life is [b']"Harm unto oneself before harm unto another"[/b]. It's quite literally impossible for me to act on my hate. And leaves it to be all talk as a way of venting out my deep and ingrained hatred for it; due to how it ruined my family and home island.

 

Father Wolf knows this best. And btw, typo I meant to say "How much people claim it helps them".

 

Sounds nice in theory, but you have to remember that talk can incite others to violence, which would make you cause violence by proxy in the same way that the Fox News gits who rail about how "abortionists" are evil vile monsters who should be killed and then act surprised and innocent when someone actually takes them seriously and kills an abortion doctor. And, of course, supporting legislation to restrict the rights of others on the grounds that you think those rights are teh silleh and wouldn't exercise them yourself doesn't require violence, so I doubt you're have an aversion to that.

 

Cigarettes are just stupid' date=' but I couldn't care less if someone smokes them. That's their choice, not mine. I'm not going to stop them or try to stop them.

[/quote']

 

I'm actually opposed to cigarettes because the secondhand smoke effect means that these people are not just hurting themselves.