Seriously Konami, stop making useless cards! [Rant]

[Guest PikaPerson01]

HEY GUIZ LETS TALK LIEK IDIOTS! OLOLO!

 

The problem with Yugioh is that there are plenty of decent cards but they're nowhere near absolutely broken or techable in various decks OR decks that people consider to be meta at the moment and thus people cry out "THIS IS TERRIBLE" instead of even trying to think of any way to put said cards to use. While there are plenty of cards that are too situational to really serve much of a purpose' date=' there are few cards that are really completely useless contrary to what the average player says. Don't get me wrong, there are some horrifically bad and outclassed cards but I find most players tend to consider almost everything bad these days when in actuality at least 80% of all cards in the packs in the last 3-4 years have been pretty much usable in some way.

[/quote']

 

Getting back to the topic at hand, you seem to think the term "usable" is all that is needed in order to be "good". Forgetting for a second how subjective those terms are, pretty much the only decent ones that still are usable are specific theme support. I mean, it's not a hard and fast rule, and there have been plenty of exceptions, but in general it seems to be specific cards for specific decks. Sakuretsu Armor, Legendary Jujitsu Master, Neo-Spacian Grand Mole, Mystical Space Typhoon. They could all easily fit in a deck without compromising too much integrity. And while we do get decent cards once in awhile, Forbidden Chalice, Trap Stun, Fairy Wind off the top of my head, their effects are only going to work in your favour if they do you little harm or work in your favour.

 

In short, there's just... better cards to be running that harm your deck less and are less specialized and less specific.

 

This is only a concern to those actually playing the physical game and buying the packs.

 

Cause we buy paper IRL' date=' cause we are cool.

In other words, you don't really care do you about this topic?

[/quote']

 

That was worded very awkwardly, but yes. Besides, cards like Skull Servants and some bad archetypes were useless upon release, but gained viability as support came out. This won't be the case with everything, but denying a card creation because it isn't instantly useful or is currently outclassed is foolish for that reason.

 

I disagree. As Henry Ford once said: "You can't build a reputation on what you're going to do." In that way, you shouldn't take a span of ten years to create a super epic set of cards, and expect everyone to see it as a super epic set the moment you create Card Number 1.

 

Secondly, what else could you possibly be basing your ideologies and opinions on? All you have is what you've been giving, and possibly news, but everything else is pure hearsay and rumours. If the only information I'm given is that a card is awful... what other conclusion could I possibly draw?

[The Borg]

OTpc: MTG is a poor card game' date=' yu-gi-oh isn't. There you have it.

[/quote']

 

OTpc: MTG is a poor card game

 

MTG = poor card game

 

MTG = poor

 

WHAT THE f*** ARE YOU SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

Basically' date=' that he never played it.

[/quote']

 

That makes a lot of sense....

 

Actually I did try it a few years back and it has a ton of basic vanilla cards. It is not with every deck has a chance. It is even more expensive then Yu-Gi-Oh. I am glad I dropped it

[-Griffin]

This topic is entirely built on a failed premise.

This topic assumes that all players will have access to the full library of cards, including those that outclass the ones they get, &/or will only build their Decks to win.

However, many do not have many cards, and in their situation these cards are entirely runnable. A prime example would be some of the Decks that people post in "Your Deck" that are 100% awful, then people flame them off for not being able to get new cards, so they can't recommend any changes - to them, all these "bad" cards could be fine, and there's more players in that situation that you'd think.

And, of course, some of us just play for fun. Sometimes I build Decks with entirely random cards that don't make sense as a Deck at all, and just play about with it. Regardless of wins, Decks like that are entirely viable and don't make the game any less enjoyable if you know how to just enjoy playing around.

MtG's apparent lack of outclassed cards might be good for a competitive scene of people who won't have problems getting exactly what they need to win, but people need to understand that even though most of this forum plays like that, and often has access to most cards, there are other groups that play.

[Scatty]

There are many decent, but outclassed cards:

 

- Forced Back

- Trap Hole

- Sakuretsu (I don't care how much you people hate it)

- Offerings to the D

- Tribute to the D

- Man Eater Bug/Old Vindictive Magician

- Nobleman of Extermination

- Slate Warrior

- Poison of the Old Man (although this is pushing it)

- And, according to Manjoume, Thought Ruler Archfiend

[DARKPLANT RISING]

If that happened, then this card that is the center of the current meta will go down. So no.

[spoiler=The Card]

 

 

 

Besides, Konami will lose all money and the whole franchise will collapse.

[Scatty]

I love your sarcasm.

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

OTpc: MTG is a poor card game' date=' yu-gi-oh isn't. There you have it.

[/quote']

 

OTpc: MTG is a poor card game

 

MTG = poor card game

 

MTG = poor

 

WHAT THE f*** ARE YOU SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

Basically' date=' that he never played it.

[/quote']

 

That makes a lot of sense....

 

Actually I did try it a few years back and it has a ton of basic vanilla cards. It is not with every deck has a chance. It is even more expensive then Yu-Gi-Oh. I am glad I dropped it

 

I still Don't believe you played it....See....for instances

I can give you a simple example by showing you what I run...

 

Deck

Creatures:

4 x Aven Squire (Common)

4 x Akrasan Squire (Common)

4 x Sigiled Paladin (Uncommon)

4 x Ballynock Trapper (Common)

3 x Enlistment Officer (Uncommon)

2 x Daru Warchief (Uncommon)

3 x Rox Charger (Common)

Other Spells

4 x Oblivion Ring (Common)

4 x Raise the Alarm (Common)

4 x Gift of the Gargantuan (Common)

2 x Disenchant (Common)

1 x Mobilization (Rare)

1 x Shared Triumph (Rare)

Lands

12 Plains

8 Forest

 

See I have a great number of 2 rare cards in my deck and those aren't exactly the more expensive ones...IT IS posible of making a decent deck without spending WAY too much money and that's the good part of MTG is that you can build deck filled with DECENT and inclusive GOOD common and uncommon cards without needing the use of rare cards and they can be still consistent enough to make the game fun....

 

And this makes this game much rich that other like Pokemon were ALL the good cards are rare this day...or even Yugioh were pulling GOOD cards is plenty difficult...

[Scatty]

OTpc: MTG is a poor card game' date=' yu-gi-oh isn't. There you have it.

[/quote']

 

OTpc: MTG is a poor card game

 

MTG = poor card game

 

MTG = poor

 

WHAT THE f*** ARE YOU SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

Basically' date=' that he never played it.

[/quote']

 

That makes a lot of sense....

 

Actually I did try it a few years back and it has a ton of basic vanilla cards. It is not with every deck has a chance. It is even more expensive then Yu-Gi-Oh. I am glad I dropped it

 

I still Don't believe you played it....See....for instances

I can give you a simple example by showing you what I run...

 

Deck

Creatures:

4 x Aven Squire (Common)

4 x Akrasan Squire (Common)

4 x Sigiled Paladin (Uncommon)

4 x Ballynock Trapper (Common)

3 x Enlistment Officer (Uncommon)

2 x Daru Warchief (Uncommon)

3 x Rox Charger (Common)

Other Spells

4 x Oblivion Ring (Common)

4 x Raise the Alarm (Common)

4 x Gift of the Gargantuan (Common)

2 x Disenchant (Common)

1 x Mobilization (Rare)

1 x Shared Triumph (Rare)

Lands

12 Plains

8 Forest

 

See I have a great number of 2 rare cards in my deck and those aren't exactly the more expensive ones...IT IS posible of making a decent deck without spending WAY too much money and that's the good part of MTG is that you can build deck filled with DECENT and inclusive GOOD common and uncommon cards without needing the use of rare cards and they can be still consistent enough to make the game fun....

 

And this makes this game much rich that other like Pokemon were ALL the good cards are rare this day...or even Yugioh were pulling GOOD cards is plenty difficult...

 

 

 

In MtG cheap decks can beat expensive ones because the game itself is more luck-based than YGO (forget Lightsworns and Arcana for a second, will you?).

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

OTpc: MTG is a poor card game' date=' yu-gi-oh isn't. There you have it.

[/quote']

 

OTpc: MTG is a poor card game

 

MTG = poor card game

 

MTG = poor

 

WHAT THE f*** ARE YOU SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

Basically' date=' that he never played it.

[/quote']

 

That makes a lot of sense....

 

Actually I did try it a few years back and it has a ton of basic vanilla cards. It is not with every deck has a chance. It is even more expensive then Yu-Gi-Oh. I am glad I dropped it

 

I still Don't believe you played it....See....for instances

I can give you a simple example by showing you what I run...

 

Deck

Creatures:

4 x Aven Squire (Common)

4 x Akrasan Squire (Common)

4 x Sigiled Paladin (Uncommon)

4 x Ballynock Trapper (Common)

3 x Enlistment Officer (Uncommon)

2 x Daru Warchief (Uncommon)

3 x Rox Charger (Common)

Other Spells

4 x Oblivion Ring (Common)

4 x Raise the Alarm (Common)

4 x Gift of the Gargantuan (Common)

2 x Disenchant (Common)

1 x Mobilization (Rare)

1 x Shared Triumph (Rare)

Lands

12 Plains

8 Forest

 

See I have a great number of 2 rare cards in my deck and those aren't exactly the more expensive ones...IT IS posible of making a decent deck without spending WAY too much money and that's the good part of MTG is that you can build deck filled with DECENT and inclusive GOOD common and uncommon cards without needing the use of rare cards and they can be still consistent enough to make the game fun....

 

And this makes this game much rich that other like Pokemon were ALL the good cards are rare this day...or even Yugioh were pulling GOOD cards is plenty difficult...

 

 

 

In MtG cheap decks can beat expensive ones because the game itself is more luck-based than YGO (forget Lightsworns and Arcana for a second, will you?).

 

Ehhhhhh....How So...

[RyanAtlus]

I think we should get awesome support for the commons from LOB, causing everyone to go look for them again.

 

:D

[Scatty]

Personal opinion is that the flooding with broken cards in YGO made us consider all cards weak. When were the times when this was considered good? :

 

Increase a selected player's Life Points by 200.

[RyanAtlus]

Personal opinion is that the flooding with broken cards in YGO made us consider all cards weak. When were the times when this was considered good? :

 

Increase a selected player's Life Points by 200.

 

Never. It has always been outclassed.

If the effect were "increase by 2,000", it would be runnable.

[Rose]

Personal opinion is that the flooding with broken cards in YGO made us consider all cards weak. When were the times when this was considered good? :

 

Increase a selected player's Life Points by 200.

 

Never. It has always been outclassed.

If the effect were "increase by 2' date='000", it would be runnable.

[/quote']

 

Should of been 9000.

[RyanAtlus]

Personal opinion is that the flooding with broken cards in YGO made us consider all cards weak. When were the times when this was considered good? :

 

Increase a selected player's Life Points by 200.

 

Never. It has always been outclassed.

If the effect were "increase by 2' date='000", it would be runnable.

[/quote']

 

Should of been 9000.

 

No, because then it would've been part of a 2-card otk.

But I understand what you're implying.

[.dek]

Personal opinion is that the flooding with broken cards in YGO made us consider all cards weak. When were the times when this was considered good? :

 

Increase a selected player's Life Points by 200.

 

Never. It has always been outclassed.

If the effect were "increase by 2' date='000", it would be runnable.

[/quote']

 

Should of been 9000.

 

No, because then it would've been part of a 2-card otk.

But I understand what you're implying.

Nurse Reficule/Simochi+Mooyan Curry

[TheTurtleOnceCalledGod]

Joke topics are fun, even if they started out as a semi-serious rant discussion. Also, (grabs fire shield to protect from flaming) no card in the game is useless, even if you cannot think of a good use for one, does not mean that there will not be a good use for it some day. And even cards like Larvae Moth can serve non-game functions, like tissues, napkins, something to put under the uneven leg of a table, firewood (you would need a lot of junk cards for that), or otherwise.

[.dek]

Joke topics are fun' date=' even if they started out as a [s']semi[/s]-serious rant discussion. Also, (grabs fire shield to protect from flaming) no card in the game is useless, even if you cannot think of a good use for one, does not mean that there will not be a good use for it some day. And even cards like Larvae Moth can serve non-game functions, like tissues, napkins, something to put under the uneven leg of a table, firewood (you would need a lot of junk cards for that), or otherwise.

NO, LARVAE MOTH SERVES ANOTHER PURPOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! make a serious Larvae Moth deck after you get an invite to a regional or greater tournament and then use it in said tournament for lawlz

[TheTurtleOnceCalledGod]

Joke topics are fun' date=' even if they started out as a [s']semi[/s]-serious rant discussion. Also, (grabs fire shield to protect from flaming) no card in the game is useless, even if you cannot think of a good use for one, does not mean that there will not be a good use for it some day. And even cards like Larvae Moth can serve non-game functions, like tissues, napkins, something to put under the uneven leg of a table, firewood (you would need a lot of junk cards for that), or otherwise.

NO, LARVAE MOTH SERVES ANOTHER PURPOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! make a serious Larvae Moth deck after you get an invite to a regional or greater tournament and then use it in said tournament for lawlz

 

They probably would kick you out for not taking them seriously or something.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

I disagree. As Henry Ford once said: "You can't build a reputation on what you're going to do." In that way' date=' you shouldn't take a span of ten years to create a super epic set of cards, and expect everyone to see it as a super epic set the moment you create Card Number 1.

 

Secondly, what else could you possibly be basing your ideologies and opinions on? All you have is what you've been giving, and possibly news, but everything else is pure hearsay and rumours. If the only information I'm given is that a card is awful... what other conclusion could I possibly draw?

[/quote']

 

Of course there would be a problem if every card released had this issue, but that isn't the case. Most cards released are usable from the getgo, but having cards that gain momentum is a component that shouldn't be entirely shunned when done in moderation. Once more, they can really only be a problem for whoever plays the game IRL and buys packs.

[Dark_Armed_Zombie]

Joke topics are fun' date=' even if they started out as a [s']semi[/s]-serious rant discussion. Also, (grabs fire shield to protect from flaming) no card in the game is useless, even if you cannot think of a good use for one, does not mean that there will not be a good use for it some day. And even cards like Larvae Moth can serve non-game functions, like tissues, napkins, something to put under the uneven leg of a table, firewood (you would need a lot of junk cards for that), or otherwise.

 

Actually, it did star as a serious rant because I find it crap that to make a decent, tourney semi-worthy deck (mostly high tier 2,to tier 1) you need to spend a good deal of money (atleast 60-70), and that is INCLUDING the Extra Deck. I can make a solid deck in MtG (and by solid I mean I actually stand a chance vs. the non-supereasyFTK decks in MtG) for about 25 bucks. And yes, the fact that there is a bit more luck in MtG does make it more fair, but the fact that there is also another cord of safety, the mana costs, also helps even out the game, for the most part.

[Aximil]

MTG is by no means a cheap game. You HAVE to spend a large sum of money to make a good deck. I've played and I dropped out because I couldn't keep up with the money that it requires to keep a good deck going.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

This topic is entirely built on a failed premise.

This topic assumes that all players will have access to the full library of cards' date=' including those that outclass the ones they get, &/or will only build their Decks to win.

However, many do not have many cards, and in their situation these cards are entirely runnable. A prime example would be some of the Decks that people post in "Your Deck" that are 100% awful, then people flame them off for not being able to get new cards, so they can't recommend any changes - to them, all these "bad" cards could be fine, and there's more players in that situation that you'd think.[/quote']

 

When it comes to deck building, there are just some commons that are (or should be) easy enough to get. I mean, if you run Share the Pain and Two Pronged Attack, and that's all you can afford, hey my heart goes out to you. But they've released plenty of cards in plenty of ways to make decks better. Book of Moon, Fissure, Smashing Ground, Bottomless Trap Hole, they've been released and re-released countless times as commons, and if you can't get it... well, there's nothing that can be done about it, is there?

 

Maybe if instead of printing 1000 copies of Share the Pain and Two Pronged Attack, Konami instead printed 2x Fissures and 2x Smashing Grounds, made them easier to get in the packs they came in, or gave them out in in pairs or trios in starter decks then it'd not be so big of a problem that the "good" commons cost significantly more then the "bad" commons.

 

Joke topics are fun' date=' even if they started out as a [s']semi[/s]-serious rant discussion. Also, (grabs fire shield to protect from flaming) no card in the game is useless, even if you cannot think of a good use for one, does not mean that there will not be a good use for it some day. And even cards like Larvae Moth can serve non-game functions, like tissues, napkins, something to put under the uneven leg of a table, firewood (you would need a lot of junk cards for that), or otherwise.

 

Eh, I recognize you're using it in jest "even though it's a bad card, it could make good kindling for a fire!" but nevertheless I'm gonna disagree. As stated before, I can't possibly predict what cards Konami is planning on making before they are announced (the closest thing I can come up with would be the anime, but even then...) so to say "hey, you never know if the card will be good some day" it just feels like a cheap copout.

 

To make a long story short, I live in the now. I can't just hold onto a card and think "hey, maybe some day this'll be good" when there is absolutely no indication that would occur. Especially for something that is painfully obvious will not receive much support ever again. Either stuff that's already been outclassed, like Sakuretsu or stuff that's just completely failed from design, like Phantasmal Martyrs.

[Dr. Cakey]

Phantasmal Martyrs > Scapegoat

 

I do not play MtG therefore it must be awful and anyone who likes it does not comprehend true entertainment. Just saying.

 

Your point is quite valid, however. When I compare my (incomplete) Cyber Dragon Deck, DARK Deck, Black Garden/World Tree Plant Deck, even my incomplete Ritual Deck or Rock semi-STUN in WC10 to...

-A mostly intact Warrior's Strike

-A fairly intact Spellcaster's Command (with Chaos Sorcerer!!11!!11!1!!!11!)

-A fairly intact Invincible Fortress

-An outdated D-Hero deck

 

...there's just no contest. Even though I now have a variety of Staple cards (Heavy Storm, Giant Trunade, Dark Bribe, Dimensional Prison, and Monster Reborns masquerading as Call of the Haunted), the divide between what my real decks and my WC10 decks are capable of is astounding.

 

Also, Share the Pain >>>> Lightning Vortex