another pitch for a show, actually

[Guest Delinquent Girl NiAtSoFi]

*feels better about not reading it!* =D

 

But I think I gave a decent-ish example. In short' date=' the anime would be more 'slice of life' then 'action'[/b']. It'd have dueling, but be it wouldn't be the main important thing about it.

 

... Or may Tronta want's something else. IDK.

 

Thus, boring. If I were to write a lolrealistic yugioh, it'd be about characters willing to cheat because they paid $10-20 entrance fee to win tournaments. The story follows their lives as they cheat their way to the top, evading those who suspect their dishonestly tactics. The hero would runs Gadgets, using their search engine to grab Mirror Force, etc. The drama of these characters would create a feeling of fear of "OMG they've been caught!"

[Tronta]

what i was aiming for was exactly what pika said. +holograms.

it would be slice of life. character driven. the plot would be people oriented, but relate to card games, as in pika's examples.

 

holograms would just be there to spice up the mundane of the world poker tourny that would ensue.

 

and people would tune in to watch the exciting conclusion of the character based story. not just the duel in question.

 

also, the casual games probably wouldn't use holograms. the tournies would, though. :P

[Guest Delinquent Girl NiAtSoFi]

what i was aiming for was exactly what pika said. +holograms.

it would be slice of life. character driven. the plot would be people oriented' date=' but relate to card games, as in pika's examples.

 

holograms would just be there to spice up the mundane of the world poker tourny that would ensue.

 

and people would tune in to watch the exciting conclusion of the character based story. not just the duel in question.

 

also, the casual games probably wouldn't use holograms. the tournies would, though. :P

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Weird question. Would the holograms built into the tables like in the comic books for tourneys?

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Probably would be a lot like Hikaru no Go.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Thus' date=' boring. If I were to write a lolrealistic yugioh, it'd be about characters willing to cheat because they paid $10-20 entrance fee to win tournaments. The story follows their lives as they cheat their way to the top, evading those who suspect their dishonestly tactics. The hero would runs Gadgets, using their search engine to grab Mirror Force, etc. The drama of these characters would create a feeling of fear of "OMG they've been caught!"

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This sounds more interesting that the "character driven" story, especially given that the examples were all cliche'd and boring.

[Dr. Cakey]

Thus' date=' boring. If I were to write a lolrealistic yugioh, it'd be about characters willing to cheat because they paid $10-20 entrance fee to win tournaments. The story follows their lives as they cheat their way to the top, evading those who suspect their dishonestly tactics. The hero would runs Gadgets, using their search engine to grab Mirror Force, etc. The drama of these characters would create a feeling of fear of "OMG they've been caught!"

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This sounds more interesting that the "character driven" story, especially given that the examples were all cliche'd and boring.

 

Actually, it does sound kind of cool. It would be almost like Death Note without...you know, the Death Note. The main character, Raito Yugami ('cuz you need the 'yu' or else it doesn't count), attempts to use his vast intellect to win cheat and win a moderate prize in order to justify the $10 dollars he paid to enter, while a judge who has the strange habits of sitting in chairs with his knees drawn up and eating lots of sweets suspects him and attempts to prove he's cheating.

 

And it would be called...Gadget-Stacking.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Mind Games doesn't instantly equate to Death Note. If other people cheated and greased palms to a point that it could be considered a satire of real tournies then it'd probably be more enjoyable.

[Guest Delinquent Girl NiAtSoFi]

Mind Games doesn't instantly equate to Death Note. If other people cheated and greased palms to a point that it could be considered a satire of real tournies then it'd probably be more enjoyable.

 

YES!

[Dr. Cakey]

Mind Games doesn't instantly equate to Death Note. If other people cheated and greased palms to a point that it could be considered a satire of real tournies then it'd probably be more enjoyable.

 

I know, I just almost immediately envisioned Light slow-motion adding a card from his deck and revealing a Gadget, and wondering if L spotted it.

[Eibon1307]

I take it no one has seen some of the plotless drivel on tv these days. I mean, come on, any crap series with the term "Vampire" in it is "The best show since Such and Such" so say critics. I mean, anyone in america who has warched Adult Swim can vouche for the mindless crap!!!! Most of their programing is retarded stoner comedy for retards who love crap like Borat and The Hangover or anything with Seth Rogan and Jonah Hill in it. Tim and Eric, crap. Check it our, crap. Squidbillies, super crap. I can name over 100 shows from a multitude of channels that are worse than Tronta's idea.

 

A show like Tronta's idea would maybe bring back some validity to Adult Swims shows. Or else some other Anime loving channel would air it because it would gain them better ratings than Adult Swim and the other crap channels.

[Tronta]

of course this is all speculation. they could easily have a show about people cheating. stacking decks, weighting dice, greasing palms, marking cards, etc etc.

 

why not combine multiple ideas? who says the show can only have one protagonist? why not multiples? why doesn't it spread out a bit and cover everything from slice of life to comedy to a satire about cheaters.

 

something along the lines of baccano or durarara wherein there are multiple parallel stories that may interact.

 

also, holograms for no reason.

 

i'd watch that.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

*feels better about not reading it!* =D

 

But I think I gave a decent-ish example. In short' date=' the anime would be more 'slice of life' then 'action'[/b']. It'd have dueling, but be it wouldn't be the main important thing about it.

 

... Or may Tronta want's something else. IDK.

 

Thus, boring. If I were to write a lolrealistic yugioh, it'd be about characters willing to cheat because they paid $10-20 entrance fee to win tournaments. The story follows their lives as they cheat their way to the top, evading those who suspect their dishonestly tactics. The hero would runs Gadgets, using their search engine to grab Mirror Force, etc. The drama of these characters would create a feeling of fear of "OMG they've been caught!"

 

Meh, cheating or whatever and ZOMGing at the latest development sounds really, really anti-climactic. Like, there's nothing notably important at stake, and nothing really important going on.

 

In Death Note, you can sort of sympathize with Light, and maybe support him. He's only going after hardened criminals and then whoever may stand in his way of getting rid of those criminals. In your lolrealstic vision, the main character's are just slimeballs who cheat at a children's card game just because they're greedy. Nothing really respectable or w/e about it, and these guys are apparently the protagonists, or whatever? Why should we care about them exactly?

 

And then there's the fact of, what happens if they win or lose? If Light wins, he'd be god of the new world and whatever. If he loses, he'd be dead and the world would sink into decay or whatever. If Protagonist wins... uhh... he gets an mp3 player and an invite to Nats? If he loses, he's out ten bucks. If he's caught, he loses ten bucks and the show probably ends.

 

As for "Slice of Life = Boring" plenty of successful shows (Seinfeld, King of the Hill, Haruhi, Lucky Star off the top of my head) are also considered to be 'Slice of Life'.

[StichedBloodAlpha]

of course this is all speculation. they could easily have a show about people cheating. stacking decks' date=' weighting dice, greasing palms, marking cards, etc etc.

 

why not combine multiple ideas? who says the show can only have one protagonist? why not multiples? why doesn't it spread out a bit and cover everything from slice of life to comedy to a satire about cheaters.

 

something along the lines of baccano or durarara wherein there are multiple parallel stories that may interact.

 

also, holograms for no reason.

 

i'd watch that.

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I think I know where your getting at. There's more than one main character, each a different kind of player, and every few episodes it swichtes between theit story and in some instances the characters meet together or are in the same place (example: they are all competing in the same tourney). As for holograms, I think that's just sprinkles on a cupcake.

[CrabHelmet]

So Akagi' date=' but about yugioh?

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Isn't Akagi a Mary Sue-ish character who plays for absurdly high stakes against the yakuza? That's nothing like what Tronta described. (Genzo hit the mark with Hikaru no Go.)

[Guest Delinquent Girl NiAtSoFi]

*feels better about not reading it!* =D

 

But I think I gave a decent-ish example. In short' date=' the anime would be more 'slice of life' then 'action'[/b']. It'd have dueling, but be it wouldn't be the main important thing about it.

 

... Or may Tronta want's something else. IDK.

 

Thus, boring. If I were to write a lolrealistic yugioh, it'd be about characters willing to cheat because they paid $10-20 entrance fee to win tournaments. The story follows their lives as they cheat their way to the top, evading those who suspect their dishonestly tactics. The hero would runs Gadgets, using their search engine to grab Mirror Force, etc. The drama of these characters would create a feeling of fear of "OMG they've been caught!"

 

Meh, cheating or whatever and ZOMGing at the latest development sounds really, really anti-climactic. Like, there's nothing notably important at stake, and nothing really important going on.

 

In Death Note, you can sort of sympathize with Light, and maybe support him. He's only going after hardened criminals and then whoever may stand in his way of getting rid of those criminals. In your lolrealstic vision, the main character's are just slimeballs who cheat at a children's card game just because they're greedy. Nothing really respectable or w/e about it, and these guys are apparently the protagonists, or whatever? Why should we care about them exactly?

 

And then there's the fact of, what happens if they win or lose? If Light wins, he'd be god of the new world and whatever. If he loses, he'd be dead and the world would sink into decay or whatever. If Protagonist wins... uhh... he gets an mp3 player and an invite to Nats? If he loses, he's out ten bucks. If he's caught, he loses ten bucks and the show probably ends.

 

As for "Slice of Life = Boring" plenty of successful shows (Seinfeld, King of the Hill, Haruhi, Lucky Star off the top of my head) are also considered to be 'Slice of Life'.

 

What's funny is that while everybody mentions Death Note, I had the police drama The Shield in mind with how Mackey and the Strike Team steal money from the Armenian Mob to pay for help for his autistic son (the other members used it for stuff) while dodging Aceveda's (later Forrest Whitaker's character's) investigation lol. Consider a main character in yugioh cheating in a tournament to win prize money for a loved one.

[SephirothKirby]

I'd watch it.

[evilfusion]

Well, you do need to keep in mind that Seinfeld really was rather revolutionary in what it did. Having everyday characters, who are more or less absolute jerks that never learned anything...that was all fresh. It was to some degree a slice-of-life, but you really have to credit the writers for it being a wonderful show.

 

Almost any premise is WORKABLE, but the writing for it has to be good enough. I'm skeptical that a show like this would be able to keep up the writing with Tronta's vision of everything being more or less...everyday life. I wasn't under the impression it'd be a comedy, or a drama, or an action. I actually can't even guess what the genre is.

[White Void]

So basically Yugimans minus most of the crazy magic nonsense and more like Hikaru no Go or Akagi? Yeah, as long as the characters manage to be entertaining and enthralling I would love that. The first Yugimans anime was good for the nonsense but GX and 5D's both having the same general format is wearing thin. Something more realistic and with actually developed characters would be quite nice. And for everyone saying that it would lose its fanbase, the only ones it would lose are the "BLUE EYES IS THE BEST CARD EVER" noobs that we already don't like. Look at how successful Hikaru no Go was with a completely real competitive game and no overkill fantasy elements, those who enjoy Yugimans for the card game element would still follow this version of the series most likely.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Additionally if GX was actually created by good writers, I think the "duel academy" story is actually workable... not that i've seen any examples of such.

[CrabHelmet]

Additionally if GX was actually created by good writers' date=' I think the "duel academy" story is actually workable... not that i've seen any examples of such.

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But then it would be called "Ender's Game".

[Dabir]

...early into 5Ds' WRGP arc. From the start' date=' it's clear they're only entering the tournament for the reasons you say these characters should. Fun, respect, prize money or whatever...

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The above was why I had high hopes for that arc, until it devolved into Yliaster-based stupidity and a two one and two thirds-match tournament cause the writers have the attention spans of a

 

Also, hopefully in this show people would finish their sentences cause watching the sub drives me INSANE with their "That light..." WHAT JACK WHAT IS THAT LIGHT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL US NO THEN SHUT UP.

[Toffee.]

I'd watch it.

 

It would be like one of those Poker-Tournament shows, except with Yugimonz

 

.....Could be interesting.

[evilfusion]

I guess what makes or breaks the Yugioh series varies. I certainly had no problem with the 5Ds cast entering a tournament for realistic reasons (as opposed to Yugi, who only entered Battle City because of the destiny/save world/I dont know original reason). And I have to admit, the Team Unicorn duel was possibly THE best duels in the series, simply because the opponents weren't cliched bastards who wanted to do evil things. They were actually fairly likeable characters who were just opposing the main characters. And then the writers had to be idiots with one of the mostly blatantly fixed endings in the series that made the buildup of the last several episodes beforehand disturbingly anti-climactic. Was it too much to ask that, in a non-elimination setting, Yusei actually lose, or at least win in a way that DOESNT make me enraged at his opponent for being a complete moron?

 

Maybe I just like some of the unnecessary drama in duels and Yugioh, with lives being put on the line and high stakes being wagered via a duel. It's maybe somewhat of a guilty pleasure and that's part of what makes the show interesting. But good writing is a must and good characters are a must. To me, most of 5Ds works because the writing's (usually) pretty good, but to others, what I like is a horrible aspect of the series.

 

I insist Tronta's premise isn't unworkable. I just think that leaping so far away from what usually works, particularly to a significantly more mundane environment, is not going to bring in thralls of viewers.

 

...darn, now I'm interested in trying to write for this show...

[Guest PikaPerson01]

What's funny is that while everybody mentions Death Note' date=' I had the police drama The Shield in mind with how Mackey and the Strike Team steal money from the Armenian Mob to pay for help for his autistic son (the other members used it for stuff) while dodging Aceveda's (later Forrest Whitaker's character's) investigation lol. Consider a main character in yugioh cheating in a tournament to win prize money for a loved one.

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Well then, the show would be awfully short, wouldn't it? They win the tournament, heal their loved won, show's over, right?

 

I never saw The Shield but it sounds like the story could still continue after Mackey's son is healed. They'd now have the Armenian Mob on their tail. However it goes nowhere in Yu-Gi-Oh. Mackey lies, cheats and steals his way to Nats, wins it, pays for his autistic son's whatever, and then... even if he's found out, the head judge or w/e can't say anything.

 

Well' date=' you do need to keep in mind that Seinfeld really was rather revolutionary in what it did. Having everyday characters, who are more or less absolute jerks that never learned anything...that was all fresh. It was to some degree a slice-of-life, but you really have to credit the writers for it being a wonderful show.

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So what? Just because a show was already made doesn't mean that no show with similar traits can ever, ever be made ever again. What exactly are you trying to argue here?

 

Almost any premise is WORKABLE' date=' but the writing for it has to be good enough.

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1: "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." - Me! <3

 

2: Of course a skilled writer can turn any premise into something worth watching/reading, but that doesn't mean they should immediately work on such a difficult sounding premise. 'A bunch of lovable guys cheat in children's card game tournaments' would be pretty difficult to write.

 

To me' date=' most of 5Ds works because the writing's (usually) pretty good, but to others, what I like is a horrible aspect of the series.[/quote']

 

I'll admit I never watched much of the show, but from what I do remember getting from the lolvideogames and from the first 5 or 6 episodes was Yusei's character was horribly one dimensional. He was described as being "cool" but what I think they meant was "no personality". He always seemed cold and distant to Rally and the rest of his friends. That's not to say characters with no personality don't have their place in fiction, but they certainly shouldn't be the protagonist.

 

The protagonist of a story should always be a relatable guy. At the very least, he should show some emotion. Otherwise he's just some robot and we have no idea what he's doing and why he's doing it. We're given no reason to care about the situation, because the protagonist doesn't care about the situation, so we don't care. I could just never get past how horrible a character Yusei was, so I never got past the "Prison" arc.

 

...darn' date=' now I'm interested in trying to write for this show...

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Write a fanfic instead. Or start a roleplay. IDK.

[Jonnyfive]

what if you just had a few people going to a cardshop and playing children's card games?

 

they'd keep the holograms of course' date=' cuz fuckit, but aside from that it's just normal people going to the card shop. playing other people. they'd all have their own style of deck, but they'd run a few other things too. there would be some tournies, trading, stuff like that. but nothing too annoying.

 

it would be seriously character driven, so they would have to be built pretty solidly and realistically. not just mary sue's and self insert generics. nor boring stereotypes.

 

there could even be a few antagonistic players to create some drama.

 

for those of you who get the reference, it'd be a card game about nothing :P

 

 

thoughts?

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season 0

if ur gonna make an lk reference...at least make it funny

or face his English rage