We did not evolve from chimps.

[The Dark One]

We actually didn't evolve from chimps if you'd happened to bother reading any of this thread.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Well, there is no argument. It is not a theory it is proven fact that we evolved from chimps which evolved from fish which evolved from single celled bacteria.

Great thread-reading.

Also just to point this out, It's a common misconception that the Catholic Church(Well at least most Catholics) aren't against the theory of Evolution. Hell a lot of the people who helped the theory along were in fact very serious Catholics.

*Picks nose*

Anyway there is no argument, I believe, no, I know that Evolution really did take place. I mean the evidence is all there! If you argue it didn't happen it's like... well let me give you a scenario.

No one would read it.

A murder happened and now you are at court in the audience watching the judgment play out to see if John(let's call him) really did kill Greg(the victim). Greg's Lawyer takes out evidence of a knife covered in Greg's blood that was found burred deep in Greg's skull. the knife not only had all of John's finger prints all over the knife, but he also left a picture of him killing John and something was written on it and it said, "Look! I killed Greg!" and he left a bunch of personal information on the back of the picture, some of the stuff that only John would know. Is he guilty? Yes. But then John says that the evidence doesn't justify that he committed the murder. Then the Lawyer pulls out a security camera tape that shows John killing Greg. There is no mistake that it is John who is killing Greg but he still Deny's it. John represents everyone who still doesn't think Evolution is correct. If you looked at the evidence you can clearly see Evolution taking place. You can actually TOUCH the evidence.

You could have just explained it in several quicker words. I got tired in the middle and stopped.

[MortalKombatSmoke]

well you get my point though right?

[Catterjune]

Well, there is no argument. It is not a theory it is proven fact that we evolved from chimps which evolved from fish which evolved from single celled bacteria. Also just to point this out, It's a common misconception that the Catholic Church(Well at least most Catholics) aren't against the theory of Evolution. Hell a lot of the people who helped the theory along were in fact very serious Catholics. Anyway there is no argument, I believe, no, I know that Evolution really did take place. I mean the evidence is all there! If you argue it didn't happen it's like... well let me give you a scenario. A murder happened and now you are at court in the audience watching the judgment play out to see if John(let's call him) really did kill Greg(the victim). Greg's Lawyer takes out evidence of a knife covered in Greg's blood that was found burred deep in Greg's skull. the knife not only had all of John's finger prints all over the knife, but he also left a picture of him killing John and something was written on it and it said, "Look! I killed Greg!" and he left a bunch of personal information on the back of the picture, some of the stuff that only John would know. Is he guilty? Yes. But then John says that the evidence doesn't justify that he committed the murder. Then the Lawyer pulls out a security camera tape that shows John killing Greg. There is no mistake that it is John who is killing Greg but he still Deny's it. John represents everyone who still doesn't think Evolution is correct. If you looked at the evidence you can clearly see Evolution taking place. You can actually TOUCH the evidence.

I can't tell if you're making a stupid parody of people who believe in evolution or if you're just stupid.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

I should say that, for the record, it's entirely possible for a species to branch off from another without the original transforming as well. In that sense people who believe this are still in the ballpark.

[CrabHelmet]

I can't tell if you're making a stupid parody of people who believe in evolution or if you're just stupid.

MKS has a history of being just stupid.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

well you get my point though right?

Only the lower half.

[MortalKombatSmoke]

Excuse me? Being stupid? I'm being perfectly logical. Since when did this become a bashing thread? And If I said they were stupid, well I must've accidentally wrote it in there but not intended, my point is that we have more than enough scientifically proven evidence to prove and actually show evolution, people who just don't accept it are... what's the word... Incompetent! Unwilling to open their mind past religion which honestly, was only created to create a peace in the human mind and was used to explain things which can now be explained. So there.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Eh, even the irreligious like to delude themselves with false ideas like free will, it just isn't done so in the name of some omnipotent being.

[Ghoulish]

We actually didn't evolve from chimps if you'd happened to bother reading any of this thread.

Definately had to quote that. So basically we've found the answer to the long debated theory of evolution, "look on YCM", i guess you could also ask your friend Jack, "Hey Jack are there intelligent lifeforms outside of Earth?" "Um...are you stupid just go to YCM?" unless you meant something else?

 

Seriously though i love it how people talk bad of god and make it seem as if it was his decision that led the world to sin, if you're gonna state anything bad about the proposed figure then at least know what he did that led to your opinions because I seem to remember Adam and Eve (Humans) making the decision that supposedly screwed the world and its perfect future. Unless you're saying that god shouldn't have given free will thereby erasing any need for life in the first place?

 

I'm not some religouse loser who'se blinded by "faith" (Faith: a safety net for a person's life apparently) and makes all my decisions according to what the bible says. If You're going to completly deny evidence and i mean physical evidence that may lead to the answer to the start of our existence and why we are here, then not only are you tapped in the head but you're basically a minor determinent in the reason why the process of finding out what we are is progressing slowly. Being blinded by faith is disgusting but blaming it on a figure who gave the right to having choices is just as bad.

 

My opinion is, that maybe "God" is the reason to why and not the reason to how, Maybe through god, Evolution becomes the how. whaddayafink?

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Excuse me? Being stupid? I'm being perfectly logical. Since when did this become a bashing thread? And If I said they were stupid, well I must've accidentally wrote it in there but not intended, my point is that we have more than enough scientifically proven evidence to prove and actually show evolution, people who just don't accept it are... what's the word... Incompetent! Unwilling to open their mind past religion which honestly, was only created to create a peace in the human mind and was used to explain things which can now be explained. So there.

I'm going to say in this in the nicest way possible, though I know it will bash you anyhow:

Don't say that you're logical from yourself when others are bashing you - it makes you look even more stupid.

Also: If you had read the thread, you would have realized this thread is nothing near religon, but a +1 post count thread full of the obvious, scientific fact that men did not evolve from chimps. None of us are trying to say anything related to religion. We're mainly idiots, but at least we know evolution. And we are competent enough to let it go. Look at the first page's Crab's quote, and every key piece switches in.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

Seriously though i love it how people talk bad of god and make it seem as if it was his decision that led the world to sin, if you're gonna state anything bad about the proposed figure then at least know what he did that led to your opinions because I seem to remember Adam and Eve (Humans) making the decision that supposedly screwed the world and its perfect future. Unless you're saying that god shouldn't have given free will thereby erasing any need for life in the first place?

So apparently:

 

1) He blames birth defects and natural pain on human sin.

2) He has descendants of a sinner suffer.

 

That God is a prick.

[Ghoulish]

So apparently:

 

1) He blames birth defects and natural pain on human sin.

2) He has descendants of a sinner suffer.

 

That God is a prick.

how am I supposed to know if he blames it on human sin or simply states it, for all we know if there is a god, he may blame himself (although doubtful) And i believe has the right to. I don't know what the bible says about diseases and how they were brought about so i'm not gonna comment on that, but i don't think you know either do you? but yea...pain was brought about through sin, if you're gonna argue then at least know what you're talking about to some minor degree, it was human choice that led to the birth of sin not "Gods". Also do you reckon you could stay on the topic?

[CrabHelmet]

Definately had to quote that. So basically we've found the answer to the long debated theory of evolution, "look on YCM", i guess you could also ask your friend Jack, "Hey Jack are there intelligent lifeforms outside of Earth?" "Um...are you stupid just go to YCM?" unless you meant something else?

No, basically people should read the threads they're posting in so that they don't walk into a trap that was revealed and explained about ten posts in.

 

And if you had read the thread yourself, then you would know what was being referred to and would understand that expecting MKS to read it was perfectly reasonable. Instead, however, you have elected not only to post without reading but also to chide other people for telling other people to read, declaring it inconceivable that something you didn't bother to read might possibly contain some relevant content, even though people who did read it have explicitly stated that it is highly relevant and would, if you idiots would bother to read it, clear everything up.

 

It's like you're going out of your way to be as stupid as possible.

[Ghoulish]

actually i did read the thread but i'll look back again and edit this post

 

EDIT: Explain what was wrong about the comment? He took a side and debated in a two side argument, "Evolution, true or false?" Unless of course you expected to read posts in this thread that only supported the belief that evolution is NOT a possibility? Or am I mistaken? if I am tell me how.

[CrabHelmet]

actually i did read the thread but i'll look back again and edit this post

 

EDIT: Explain what was wrong about the comment? He took a side and debated in a two side argument, "Evolution, true or false?" Unless of course you expected to read posts in this thread that only supported the belief that evolution is NOT a possibility? Or am I mistaken? if I am tell me how.

If you'd bothered to read the thread, you'd see this post something like five posts in:

 

For those who don't get it, humans and chimps share a common evolutionary ancestor, but did not evolve from each other.

Which is what the theory of evolution actually says, which Chaos Pudding acknowledged is the point of this thread, and which was subsequently brought up several times in response to posters like seattlite. You couldn't possibly have read the thread and be fluent in English without picking up on that. But instead, when MKS jumps in with some idiotic Hollywood Science corrupted false caricature of evolution that was already explicitly refuted, you jump to his defense because you too understand neither reading nor science.

[Toffee.]

Wouldnt be surprised if this topic reaches 12 pages.

 

YCM, Cant we all say we evolved from trolls, and migrated to the internet star-system?

 

......

lolno

[Ghoulish]

Settle down Flabby Crabby, trust me i know i don't have a clue about science nor do i wish to. If you seriously expected me to read 5 pages of a thread and tie each post together marking down the positive and negatives of the post in relation to the topic at hand and then compare each one on the basis of whether or not they have used factual information to justify their opinions or simply spoken out their asses, then i just have to say i have better things to do? I Don't spend my life here man. My main focus was on MKS's statement and the others guys rebuttle of "We actually didn't evolve from chimps if you'd happened to bother reading any of this thread." and not the other posts. Don't understand reading? mmm yea that definately isn't it, i actually know how to read and to what extent reading actually is, but hey far be it from me to question a god.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

how am I supposed to know if he blames it on human sin or simply states it, for all we know if there is a god, he may blame himself (although doubtful) And i believe has the right to.

An omnipotent being doesn't have control over this kind of stuff? Completely illogical.

 

I don't know what the bible says about diseases and how they were brought about so i'm not gonna comment on that, but i don't think you know either do you? but yea...pain was brought about through sin, if you're gonna argue then at least know what you're talking about to some minor degree, it was human choice that led to the birth of sin not "Gods".

First you say you don't know how disease originated then you say that pain was started by human sin. You think you're smart for blindly quoting a work of fiction and say I'm wrong for following up and pointing out the deeper interpretations you can get from the Bible. Which is that we're all suffering for what Adam and Eve did, or that we're suffering for what someone else did. Then hurricanes, disease, and defects have always been something to occur. If people were all nice to each other that sort of stuff would still be going on. God made the world, so why did he make one doomed to die? Honestly, try looking at this crap you're spewing out of your mouth before hitting Add Reply and save us the eyesore.

 

Also do you reckon you could stay on the topic?

I responded to this argument you've created. Are you trying to be such a massive hypocrite by continuing it then telling me to stay on topic or are you that dumb?

[Ghoulish]

"First you say you don't know how disease originated then you say that pain was started by human sin. You think you're smart for blindly quoting a work of fiction and say I'm wrong by following up and pointing out the deeper interpretations you can get from the Bible. Which is that we're all suffering for what Adam and Eve did, AKA we're suffering for what someone else did. Then hurricanes, disease, and defects have always been something to occur. If people were all nice to each other that sort of stuff would still be going on. God made the world, so why did he make one doomed to die? Honestly, try looking at this crap you're spewing out of your mouth before hitting Add Reply and save us the eyesore."

 

So here we go again? Another Vuvuzela attempt at bashing? Just remember who was the one that started the "abuse" with lines like "try looking at this crap you're spewing out of your mouth before hitting Add Reply and save us the eyesore"

First you say you don't know how disease originated then you say that pain was started by human sin.

 

So Pain is a disease, is that what you're trying to say? If so then ...wow?

 

"You think you're smart for blindly quoting a work of fiction and say I'm wrong by following up and pointing out the deeper interpretations you can get from the Bible."

 

I do think I'm smart, i think i'm super smart by quoting from the very thing we're talking about, it takes a genius to open a book and read, if we're considering the bible to be fiction then there is no point in talking about it is there? if you want to talk about it from the perspective of its message having relevance to our lives then i will respond to this.

 

Which is that we're all suffering for what Adam and Eve did, AKA we're suffering for what someone else did.

 

Was thast the deeper interpretation? "we are paying for what someone else did? Seriously? Do you really consider that "deep" that in fact is shallow, shallow in that it not only is obvious but specified in the bible which one could say has now been quote by you which then leads me to typing, "You think you're smart for blindly quoting a work of fiction", are you gonna be serious i hope the rest of your post was worth the rebuttle.

 

Then hurricanes, disease, and defects have always been something to occur.

 

That's speaking from a logical secular perspective, but are we considering the bible fiction or meaningful here? Because if we are speaking of "meaningful" then could you please describe to me the environment in which Adam and Eve lived in, "The garden of Eden?", speaking logically there may have been those natural occurences but speaking from the environment given and the idea portrayed by the bible, the garden of Eden was "Perfect", but remember that's speaking from the "Meaningful" perspective.

 

If people were all nice to each other that sort of stuff would still be going on.

 

Seems logical but then again a world being created by a "God" does that seem logical?

 

God made the world, so why did he make one doomed to die?

 

You make a burger but burn the meat, why did you make a meat doom to die? get the analogy?

 

Honestly, try looking at this crap you're spewing out of your mouth before hitting Add Reply and save us the eyesore."

 

Alright, first of all i'm clearly typing not speaking, just thought i'd put that out in the open, okay so apparently contradicting yourself and not specifing what perspective your portraying of the bible, "fictional or meaningful", isn't an eyesore? You say everything that seems logical from our secular perspective then go on to say that the bible's fictional and finally conclude with back then there were tornados and diseases, it's like you're trying to say that what the bible depicts within it's stories are true however they are done from our perspective of how we think it should have been done? It's there in writing if you are going to talk about the claimed "truthness" of the bible then don't edit it with your own version of how it happened.

 

you that dumb?

 

But i'm the one that started the abuse against you? I wont even bother.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

I forgot how hard it is to argue with you when you create jumbled run-on sentences. When you respond please try to do so coherently and without so many mechanical errors. This isn't any kind of insult, just a legitimate request.

 

So here we go again? Another Vuvuzela attempt at bashing? Just remember who was the one that started the "abuse" with lines like "try looking at this crap you're spewing out of your mouth before hitting Add Reply and save us the eyesore"

http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/220369-why-dont-these-characters-exist-long-enough/page__view__findpost__p__4609529

Last time I just further explained my opinion when you started questioning them. Then try to tell me to keep on topic and question my grasp. Stop trying to point fingers and just have the discussion instead of trying to use this as some sort of failsafe when I win the argument.

 

 

First you say you don't know how disease originated then you say that pain was started by human sin.

 

So Pain is a disease, is that what you're trying to say? If so then ...wow?

Nice fail at reading comprehension bro. If you don't think diseases result in pain then all I can do i laugh at you.

 

 

"You think you're smart for blindly quoting a work of fiction and say I'm wrong by following up and pointing out the deeper interpretations you can get from the Bible."

 

I do think I'm smart, i think i'm super smart by quoting from the very thing we're talking about, it takes a genius to open a book and read, if we're considering the bible to be fiction then there is no point in talking about it is there? if you want to talk about it from the perspective of its message having relevance to our lives then i will respond to this.

What I was getting at is that you were only viewing the Bible on a superficial level.

 

Which is that we're all suffering for what Adam and Eve did, AKA we're suffering for what someone else did.

 

Was thast the deeper interpretation? "we are paying for what someone else did? Seriously? Do you really consider that "deep" that in fact is shallow, shallow in that it not only is obvious but specified in the bible which one could say has now been quote by you which then leads me to typing, "You think you're smart for blindly quoting a work of fiction", are you gonna be serious i hope the rest of your post was worth the rebuttle.

Yeah, you weren't able to take it a step deeper; I should've thought as much. God gives Adam and Eve a nice place to live. They then commit some sort of sin and are exiled. Their inbred children and their inbred children's children go on to do essentially the same thing. Yet we aren't all born into this lovely garden. God doesn't give everyone the same chance. He, of his own accord, took away a privilege on account of what our supposed ancestors did. Apparently he cannot simply absolve or forgive us of our sin, because he is made out to be just as human as the rest of us. A truly benevolent god

wouldn't have that temptation, or some sort of Earth that led into heaven in the first place.

 

Then hurricanes, disease, and defects have always been something to occur.

 

That's speaking from a logical secular perspective, but are we considering the bible fiction or meaningful here? Because if we are speaking of "meaningful" then could you please describe to me the environment in which Adam and Eve lived in, "The garden of Eden?", speaking logically there may have been those natural occurences but speaking from the environment given and the idea portrayed by the bible, the garden of Eden was "Perfect", but remember that's speaking from the "Meaningful" perspective.

This ties into the above.

 

If people were all nice to each other that sort of stuff would still be going on.

 

Seems logical but then again a world being created by a "God" does that seem logical?

Exactly, it is illogical.

 

God made the world, so why did he make one doomed to die?

 

You make a burger but burn the meat, why did you make a meat doom to die? get the analogy?

Are you referring to the world or people, because I was referencing Earth.

 

 

Alright, first of all i'm clearly typing not speaking, just thought i'd put that out in the open,

No one finds that clever, just a heads up.

 

okay so apparently contradicting yourself and not specifing what perspective your portraying of the bible, "fictional or meaningful", isn't an eyesore?

Don't blame your misunderstandings on my point, which I was showing by applying things the bible said into real life as if they were real to show how it didn't match up.

 

You say everything that seems logical from our secular perspective then go on to say that the bible's fictional and finally conclude with back then there were tornados and diseases, it's like you're trying to say that what the bible depicts within it's stories are true however they are done from our perspective of how we think it should have been done? It's there in writing if you are going to talk about the claimed "truthness" of the bible then don't edit it with your own version of how it happened.

And the rest of this paragraph is also based off of misunderstandings. Ask for some clarification dude, that's what I did in relation to your hamburger analogy. :S

 

Anyways, this depiction of God is both nonplausible and a complete hypocrite subject to the same deadly sins people are supposed to have. That's the point I was getting at that both of us manage to divulge from.

[Ghoulish]

ahhkk I think i'm starting to understand a bit more what you mean, the hamburger analogy doesn't specify to either human or planet, it's the same meaning - the intention was for creation not disaster, know what i mean? The bible in its meaning is both questionable and contradictory to the image it tries to portray of "god" so i agree with you there, what i meant by the pain and disease thing is, that pain in itself (obviousely) isn't a disease, yea pain is gained from diseases, but in that case we should also remember about how child birth would be made extremely painful for women due to the sin commited, so maybe diseases would still be around and noticed however there wouldn't be pain? (Talking out my ass, no factual proof) but I dunno, back to evolution?

[DARKPLANT RISING]

YCM, Cant we all say we evolved from trolls, and migrated to the internet star-system?

I'm starting to become an Armadillozian.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

ahhkk I think i'm starting to understand a bit more what you mean, the hamburger analogy doesn't specify to either human or planet, it's the same meaning - the intention was for creation not disaster, know what i mean?

I guess my main problem with this idea is that a supposedly all powerful being could only make a planet doomed to die eventually. And then there are the dozens of other planets of life…it doesn't seem very logical.

 

what i meant by the pain and disease thing is, that pain in itself (obviousely) isn't a disease, yea pain is gained from diseases, but in that case we should also remember about how child birth would be made extremely painful for women due to the sin commited, so maybe diseases would still be around and noticed however there wouldn't be pain? (Talking out my ass, no factual proof)

Yeah, pain is a product of disease, while pain is not in of itself one. I don't know how regular processes like pregnancy would cause pain though; it just seems like another thing that doesn't add up.

 

but I dunno, back to evolution?

Sure, since we're basically in agreement.

 

 

If only there were anything interesting to discuss about evolution in this thread. :/

[CrabHelmet]

Settle down Flabby Crabby, trust me i know i don't have a clue about science nor do i wish to.

Then shut up.

 

Seriously, if you admittedly don't know the first thing about evolution, then you are not qualified to discuss it.

 

If you seriously expected me to read 5 pages of a thread and tie each post together marking down the positive and negatives of the post in relation to the topic at hand and then compare each one on the basis of whether or not they have used factual information to justify their opinions or simply spoken out their asses, then i just have to say i have better things to do?

Then shut up.

 

Seriously, if you're not going to bother to pay attention to a discussion, then you are not qualified to participate in it.

 

I Don't spend my life here man. My main focus was on MKS's statement and the others guys rebuttle of "We actually didn't evolve from chimps if you'd happened to bother reading any of this thread." and not the other posts.

Which means you were objecting to people criticizing MKS for attempting to participate in a debate when he has no understanding of the subject matter and has refused to read the rest of the debate.

 

Don't understand reading? mmm yea that definately isn't it, i actually know how to read and to what extent reading actually is, but hey far be it from me to question a god.

Oh, hi, it's your old "Everyone who disagrees with me clearly thinks they're a god because they type legibly" nonsense. Because obviously nobody except insane narcissists would ask that people participating in a debate have some knowledge of the subject matter and pay attention to what other participants in the debate said.