Mehmani Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 [spoiler=Week 1] |Escroc le Diamant|0|RDEC|Warrior/Tuner|Dark|3||1300|500|You can return 1 card from your hand to the bottom of your Deck to Special Summon this card. When this card is Special Summoned, add 1 "Escroc" monster from your Deck to your hand.| |Escroc le Peintre|0|RDEC|Psychic/Effect|Dark|4||1700|1200|When this card is added from your Deck to your hand, you can discard 1 cards from your hand to Special Summon this card. You cannot Normal Summon or Set the turn you activate this effect.| |Escroc le Magnifique|0|RDEC|Psychic/Synchro/Effect|Dark|7||2900|1300|"Escroc le Diamant" + 1 or more non-Tuner "Escroc" monsters This card cannot targeted by the effects of Spell and Trap Cards. This card gains 300 ATK for each "Escroc" monster in your Graveyard. You can remove from play "Escroc" monster(s) from your Graveyard to destroy card(s) on the field equal the number of removed monsters. When this card is destroyed, you can pay 2000 Life Points to add 1 "Escroc" monster from your Deck to your hand.| |Escroc Module de Finition|0|RDEC|Psychic/Effect|Dark|8||3000|0|This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned when you control 2 "Escroc" Synchro Monsters. Destroy all "Escroc" monsters you control during the End Phase of the turn this card is Summoned. When this card is destroyed, take damage equal to half it's original ATK. While this card is in your Graveyard, all "Escroc" monsters you control gain 200 ATK.| If you can describe the FTK (IN DETAIL, please) that these 4 cards have, then you will get a +rep. [spoiler=Optional Clue] The FTK is an attacking one. It often produces OVER 9000 damage.[/spoiler][/spoiler] Link to comment
Zowayix Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 You can't do an attacking FTK because you can't attack on the first turn. I'm assuming you mean OTK. Can cards besides the 4 listed be included in the combo? If not, then I don't think an OTK is possible because you can't get enough attack power with only one Synchro, and you need two "Escroc le Peintre" to have two Synchros, and there's no way to do that with only 6 cards maximum in your hand, no sources of +1, and no sources of revival. Link to comment
CrabHelmet Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 1) Start with 6 cards in hand. 2) Bury a card to SS Diamant; tutor another Diamant. 3) Bury a card to SS Diamant; tutor a Peintre. 4) Discard 3 Module de Finition to SS Peintre. 5) Tune Diamant and Peintre into Magnifique. 6) Your Diamant has 1900 ATK. Your Magnifique has 5000 ATK. The total is 6900 ATK, which is insufficient for an OTK. That's the best you can do if you assume a six-card hand and no cards other than these four. Permitting a seventh card makes the problem trivial; 3 Diamant + 1 Peintre with 3 Module de Finition in the Graveyard yields exactly 8000 ATK. Similarly, permitting cards other than these four also trivializes the problem. Link to comment
Mehmani Posted September 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 [quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1283383541' post='4590388'] 1) Start with 6 cards in hand. 2) Bury a card to SS Diamant; tutor another Diamant. 3) Bury a card to SS Diamant; tutor a Peintre. 4) Discard 3 Module de Finition to SS Peintre. 5) Tune Diamant and Peintre into Magnifique. 6) Your Diamant has 1900 ATK. Your Magnifique has 5000 ATK. The total is 6900 ATK, which is insufficient for an OTK. That's the best you can do if you assume a six-card hand and no cards other than these four. Permitting a seventh card makes the problem trivial; 3 Diamant + 1 Peintre with 3 Module de Finition in the Graveyard yields exactly 8000 ATK. Similarly, permitting cards other than these four also trivializes the problem. [/quote] You were very close. I mean VERY close. 1) Start with 6. 2) Bury to SS Diamant, tutor a Peintre. Peintre is SS'd by it's own effect. 3) Bury to SS Diamant, tutor a Peintre etc. 4) Synchro summon for Magnifique x2. 5) SS Module and attack for game. While Module was created for the purpose of making it over 8000 damage (i.e. finishing the OTK, his name was a subtle reference), the original OTK was discovered entirely by chance - although I ment Diamant + Peintre to be an instant synchro I thought it wouldn't amount to much as other archetypes in the CCG were more broken than a mere instant synchro. Following the discovery I deduced that upon being put in the CCG Peintre would be Limited, denying the OTK a chance. No one noticed the lethal combo. I was able to build a deck and also make Escrocs the fastest, most feared archetype in the CCG. Though following the tournament where Escrocs made their debut, Peintre was Limited. I thought that Escrocs where to be confined to the same bin as Frog FTK - feared for only a single metagame and unplayable after the banlist update. But no! I discovered Refueling - a Spell Card that allowed you to return 3 monsters in your Graveyard to the deck and draw 2 cards! This enabled me to make Escrocs work again - do the Diamant + Peintre combo, activate Refueling, do it again, SS Module. Like Mass Driver - a fairly weak card on it's own that is game-winning for a specific deck. Link to comment
CrabHelmet Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 [quote name='Älfred-Kün' timestamp='1283535158' post='4595372'] You were very close. I mean VERY close. 1) Start with 6. 2) Bury to SS Diamant, tutor a Peintre. Peintre is SS'd by it's own effect. 3) Bury to SS Diamant, tutor a Peintre etc. [/quote] Doesn't work. You don't have enough cards available to discard to Special Summon the second Peintre. Fail. Link to comment
Mehmani Posted September 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 [quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1283535676' post='4595398'] Doesn't work. You don't have enough cards available to discard to Special Summon the second Peintre. Fail. [/quote] s***. I forgot, Peintre's effect was changed (by me) before the card was released on the CCG so the OTK would work. Ask Leo or seattleite - I requested that sea change it and he did. The codes I posted were the original codes from the word document I made when converting the card. I confused the CCG with the original codes. Link to comment
CrabHelmet Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 You seem to have quite a habit of posting idiotic nonsense that relies on being familiar with other things you've written but haven't posted. Link to comment
Mehmani Posted September 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 [quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1283541993' post='4595776'] You seem to have quite a habit of posting idiotic nonsense that relies on being familiar with other things you've written but haven't posted. [/quote] http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/195151-leos-yu-gi-oh-ccg-submit-set-6-cards/page__st__1780__p__4489173#entry4489173 Search button? Link to comment
Toffee. Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Escroc le Diamant doesn't exactly say where I can Special Summon it from. ...So with me abusing its lazy OCG, Diamant + Mass Driver + 2 Dark Room of Nightmare = 4 card F/OTK. Link to comment
Icy Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Just because I can and we need a new game going in WC. If someone can make a version of this that actually WORKS and changes each day, I'll go ahead and sticky it. Link to comment
Zowayix Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 @Armadilloz: If other cards besides the listed four are allowed, then an OTK is possible with only 3 cards. You need 1 Diamant, 1 DNA Surgery, and 1 Limiter Removal, plus 2 other cards in your hand. - Discard 1, Sp.Summon Diamant, add 1 Diamant to hand - Discard 1, Sp. Summon Diamant, add 1 Peintre to hand - Normal Summon Peintre (total 4300 ATK) - DNA Surgery, pick Machine - Limiter Removal (total 8600 ATK) Link to comment
CrabHelmet Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 [quote name='Älfred-Kün' timestamp='1283548534' post='4596179'] http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/195151-leos-yu-gi-oh-ccg-submit-set-6-cards/page__st__1780__p__4489173#entry4489173 Search button? [/quote] Ah, I see. I didn't realize that, in solving Duel Puzzles, we were supposed to search the forum for other versions of the cards with different effects posted in the middle of other topics. I'll bear that in mind the next time I read one of your topics. Link to comment
-Griffin Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 [quote name='Zowayix' timestamp='1283564858' post='4597152'] @Armadilloz: If other cards besides the listed four are allowed, then an OTK is possible with only 3 cards. You need 1 Diamant, 1 DNA Surgery, and 1 Limiter Removal, plus 2 other cards in your hand. - Discard 1, Sp.Summon Diamant, add 1 Diamant to hand - Discard 1, Sp. Summon Diamant, add 1 Peintre to hand - Normal Summon Peintre (total 4300 ATK) - DNA Surgery, pick Machine - Limiter Removal (total 8600 ATK) [/quote] Other cards are allowed? I pick Subsitoad, Mass Driver and Swap Frog in my opening hand. Nver said they had to be legal. Link to comment
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