Tag Dueling

[Azuh]

Why hasn't Konami put more effort into this?

I find it much more fun when you have a teammate and be trolling around with your 2 Dark Holes.

Konami should hold tournaments, have its own ban list, and provide rulings for cards for tag duels.

I see no negatives in tags

Discuss

[Manjoume Thunder]

Burn is tier 0.

[-Griffin]

*Tier -1
If burn doesn't beat non-burn on their second player's turn, they're probably terrible.

Everything, in short, needs re-balance. Konami doesn't do that much effort.

[Manjoume Thunder]

One thing that can balance tag duels is to increase the starting life points to 16 000. Right now, players' resources are twice as much as they normally are, but the Life Points are unchanged.

[Mysty]

If I remember correctly, Upper Deck made the Team Dueling rules. Konami had its own rules. If we want to hold a discussion about this, you'll have to specify which rules you're talking about. Here's a summary of each:
[spoiler=Upper Deck's rules]
Each player has their own Deck, Graveyard, Extra Deck, Side Deck, RFP, and Hand, 5 Monster Card Zones, and 5 Spell and Trap card Zones.
They share 8000 Life Points.
The opponent's field means both opponent's fields. In fact, I think it also said that you "control" all cards your teammate controls for card effect reasons (i.e. The Calculator).
However, you can't use your opponent's monsters to attack, you can't activate your teammate's Spells and Traps.
You CAN however, with their permission, use cards your teammate controls for Tributes, Fusion Material, Synchro Material, or as a cost of a card or a card effect.
You can look at each other's cards and discuss strategies.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=WC08-WC10 Konami rules]
Each player has their own hand, deck, extra deck, and side deck, but public zones and Life points are shared.
The field is completely shared: 5 Monster card zones and 5 S/T zones per team.
On each team at any given team, there is a "main player". That player controls all cards on their side of the field, owns all cards owned by themselves or teammate, and acts as "the player" for all situations of the game while they are the "main player" (which during during their turn and during their opponent's turn). The main player has to discard cards for any effect, can only search their deck for any card, can only use their Extra deck, and only the main players are affected by effects that affect both players or each player. When the teammate has their turn, they become the main player and the other one steps down. In other words, the teams go like this:
Turn 1 MPs, with a1 going first: A1 B2, Turn 2: A1 B1, Turn 3: A2 B1, and Turn 4: A2 B2.
For the first round, you can instead have B1 be the main player during turn 1 but not switch at the beginning of turn 2.
You can play cards for your teammate to use and your teammate can see your cards, but you can't discuss strategies.
This type of team duel can even be done with one person against 2: the single person is the main player for their team all the time. Facing two people like this can actually be easier than beating either of them individually if their decks don't interact well and are crappy and/or if their strategies hate each other. Do note that they will have a five card advantage, but they can't use it immediately.[/spoiler]

I prefer Konami's video game way of "Team Dueling" better.
Either way, since 8000 Life Points are shared, burn decks are Tier 0. If the Life Points are changed to 16000 like MT suggested, then that problem is null and void.
Personally, I think there should be some rule of how similar two decks on a team can be. I mean, if two teams where the two teammates on each team have the same deck as each other battle (let's say two Blackwing decks built exactly the same or almost exactly the same vs. two X-Saber decks built exactly the same), then it will be almost like a regular Blackwing vs. X-Saber match.

[s]Also, what would the new banlist be? inb4aperfectbanlistdiscussionalteredslightlyforteamduels[/s]
To prevent my inb4 fro happening, let me rephrase the question: what would be broken only in Team Duels and how would you change the Team Duel ban list to be sure that that wouldn't happen? Note: If you see fit, you CAN include a "the two teammates' decks can't be 20 or more cards similar" clause if you so think this will be needed. You can also change the starting Life Points to whatever number you can defend with good reasoning. 16000 seems to be a good number so far.
And be sure to state what Team Duel setup you are using, whether it is UpperDeck's or the video games'. That makes all the difference in the world.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

lolburnislol.

But yeah, I do it with my friend at times with a special rule: "No burnstall decks".

[Expelsword]

Some people claimed Destiny End Dragoon was unfair burn in tag...

Also I like playing Shooting Star while my friend plays Scar Red... it's surprisingly effective

Anywway, for the ban - Simochi, Ref, Gift Card, Final Countdown

I think Burn (especially Anti-Heal) shows 0 strategy and is a shameful deck; anyone can just throw in cards that "heal" the opponent and probably win by turn 2

[Manjoume Thunder]

Lifepoints - 16000

Banned:
Final Countdown
Exodia the Forbidden One
Mass Driver
Morphing Jar
Necroface
Toon Cannon Soldier
Cannon Soldier
Life Equalizer
Ancient Leaf
Machine Emperor Grannel Infinity
Night Assailant

Limit
Solemn Warning
Reckless Greed (Or ban)

Too lazy to continue.

[Canadian]

Makes Gold Sarcophagus amazing.

But the fact that you said it's own banlist intrigues me. I wonder what would be hit, rush recklessly maybe?

[Manjoume Thunder]

Rush Recklessly?

[Brinolovania]

Why Rush Recklessly? Doesn't deserve to be banned here, or in regular dueling...Also, my friend and I once did a Battle Royale with nine decks. So much more interesting.

[Canadian]

Well cause you'd only be losing one turn of drawing, and your opponent can use yours (you could have set multiples for them), giving them 8+ cards one their first turn, and than they may be using 3 of them in their deck as well..

I don't know, just seems like alot of unfair drawing.

[Manjoume Thunder]

You mean Reckless Greed.

That should be restricted.

How much copies do you think should be allowed? 0, 2 or 4?

And what about Solemn Warning?

[Azuh]

Well, if Burn is such a big problem. Isn't cards such as Spell of Pain, Draco-Equiste, Barrel Behind the Door, and of course Hanewata and Lifeforce Harmonizer more usuable? Thats always a plus right?

[Canadian]

[quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1284299146' post='4620277']
You mean Reckless Greed.
[/quote]
Haha, yes I do. Should be @0 in tag duels.

Solemn warning should be @1, just like solemn judgement in normal Yugimonz. It's only because you'll see the card in multiples of 2,4, or 6. Anything over 3, with 16,000 LP won't be fair.

[Manjoume Thunder]

@Azuh
Using this logic we can unlimit Charge of the Light Birgade, Honest, Judgment Dragon, Lumina a Necro Gardna, because that will make remove from play cards better.

EDIT: Added more cards to my list.

[Canadian]

[quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1284299597' post='4620289']
Using this logic we can unlimit, Charge of the Light Birgade, Honest, Judgment Dragon, Lumina a Necro Gardna, because that will make remove from play cards better.
[/quote]
He's just glad that they will be playable, because against burn decks, they are alright. He's not saying, "oh well since everybody is using "z" deck, lets bring "x" back so we can use "y" lots more".

Where z is the type of deck, x is the card or cards which are op'ed, and y is a card or cards that can be used against or to counter x.

[Azuh]

[quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1284299597' post='4620289']
@Azuh
Using this logic we can unlimit Charge of the Light Birgade, Honest, Judgment Dragon, Lumina a Necro Gardna, because that will make remove from play cards better.

EDIT: Added more cards to my list.
[/quote]

Not that I'm saying that the problem cards shouldn't be banned in the first place. I'm just saying about the overall differents in deck types with Decks running at least 3 Hanewata and possibly 2 Harmonizer as staple

EDIT: Chain Strike should be banned also

[Manjoume Thunder]

I do not like how you are forced to main cards for one match-up.

[Canadian]

This thread should be stickied.

Sniper Hunter should be banned. And on that note, cards that use discarding similarly to Snipe's effect should as well. This goes for cards like [s]Fiend Roar Deity[/s] The Fabled Raven.

EDIT: Where do you think Gold Sarc should be?

[Azuh]

[quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1284300007' post='4620307']
I do not like how you are forced to main cards for one match-up.
[/quote]

Because only 1 type of Burn decks exists? Lol

[Canadian]

[quote name='Azuh' timestamp='1284300129' post='4620311']
Because only 1 type of Burn decks exists? Lol
[/quote]
Chain Burn
Stall Burn

You have been proven wrong.

[.Nu-13]

You can call me a noob, but why Burn it THAT broken in Tag Duels?

[Azuh]

[quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1284300213' post='4620314']
Chain Burn
Stall Burn

You have been proven wrong.
[/quote]

Thats what I'm trying to tell Manjoume Thunder through the wondrous world of sarcasm

[Canadian]

[quote name='Azuh' timestamp='1284300382' post='4620323']
Thats what I'm trying to tell Manjoume Thunder through the wondrous world of sarcasm
[/quote]
We need a new font called Sarcastica.