"Pope speech compares atheist 'extremism' with Nazism"

[Catterjune]

[quote][i]Afterwards his spokesman Federico Lombardi said: "I think the Pope knows rather well what the Nazi ideology is".[/i][/quote]

10/10

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11332515

Okay, we already know what the angstheists and those of faith will say in this topic, so let's just discuss how awesome his spokesman is.

[CrabHelmet]

His spokesman really isn't that awesome; take a look at this:

[i]The German-born Pope has previously spoken of his time growing up under the "monster" of Nazism.

He joined Hitler Youth at 14, as was required of young Germans at the time.

Late on in WWII he was drafted into an anti-aircraft unit in Munich.

He deserted the German army towards the end of the war and was briefly held as a prisoner-of-war by the Allies in 1945.[/i]

With this background, the Pope really [b]ought[/b] to know rather well what Nazi ideology is.

[Catterjune]

I'm aware he was part of the Hitler Youth.

... His spokesman was insulting him, right? Or am I interpreting this incorrectly? >_>

[CrabHelmet]

No, I think the spokesman was serious.

And that's terrible.

[Icy]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1284660704' post='4631836']
No, I think the spokesman was serious.

And that's terrible.
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And why is it terrible?

[Womi]

An insult would've been:
"He's from Germany. What would you expect?"

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1284661147' post='4631857']
And why is it terrible?
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Because the Pope basically hasn't a clue what he's talking about for reasons that shouldn't need to be explained.

[Icy]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1284661997' post='4631890']
Because the Pope basically hasn't a clue what he's talking about for reasons that shouldn't need to be explained.
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I just read that article myself. And I have come to the conclusion that YOU don't know what you're taking about and your reasons for saying so, SHOULD be explained.

After reading it, it appears that the Pope appears to be using "God" as an analog for the term and meaning of "Freedom of Choice without bringing Harm unto Another". Rather than a straight out speech about how the Nazi's don't believe in god. And even more-so about how people these day's sometimes disregard basic decency. Sure, maybe it was a poor way to put it out there; but if what I am saying was what he intended you could say he trolled everyone by masking a speech about respect, into a speech about god.

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1284662357' post='4631909']
I just read that article myself. And I have come to the conclusion that YOU don't know what you're taking about and your reasons for saying so, SHOULD be explained.

After reading it, it appears that the Pope appears to be using "God" as an analog for the term and meaning of "Freedom of Choice without bringing Harm unto Another". Rather than a straight out speech about how the Nazi's don't believe in god. And even more-so about how people these day's sometimes disregard basic decency. Sure, maybe it was a poor way to put it out there; but if what I am saying was what he intended you could say he trolled everyone by masking a speech about respect, into a speech about god.
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Except that all of this is based on the Pope's premise that human decency is impossible without believing in God, which is the whole problem with everything that's coming out of his mouth. You can't pretend that his view that becoming a "modern and multicultural society" is grudgingly permissible on its own but a slippery slope to killing Jews is anything other than ATHEISTS ARE ALWAYS CHAOTIC EVIL.

[Icy]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1284670992' post='4632292']
Except that all of this is based on the Pope's premise that human decency is impossible without believing in God, which is the whole problem with everything that's coming out of his mouth. You can't pretend that his view that becoming a "modern and multicultural society" is grudgingly permissible on its own but a slippery slope to killing Jews is anything other than ATHEISTS ARE ALWAYS CHAOTIC EVIL.
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Then you go by that and see the part that annoys you, your loss. I saw it as more than just his faith, and you're assuming. Popes while hold a high figure, often differ on their stance on where god is placed among us and how to phrase it to mean different things. And I am not pretending, you read it in a different way.

[Dark]

I think Icy forgot [i]who[/i] was making these comments when he posted.

Okay, so case closed. I'm a natzie. A GRAMMAR NATZ- *shot*

[Icy]

I don't care who it is. The Pope is just another one of us in my eyes.

[Yasu]

[spoiler='Who needs news when you can read the real thing~?']
Your Majesty,

Thank you for your gracious invitation to make an official visit to the United Kingdom and for your warm words of greeting on behalf of the British people. In thanking Your Majesty, allow me to extend my own greetings to all the people of the United Kingdom and to hold out a hand of friendship to each one.

It is a great pleasure for me to start my journey by saluting the members of the Royal Family, thanking in particular His Royal Highness the Duke of Edinburgh for his kind welcome to me at Edinburgh Airport. I express my gratitude to Your Majesty’s present and previous Governments and to all those who worked with them to make this occasion possible, including Lord Patten and former Secretary of State Murphy. I would also like to acknowledge with deep appreciation the work of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on the Holy See, which has contributed greatly to strengthening the friendly relations existing between the Holy See and the United Kingdom.

As I begin my visit to the United Kingdom in Scotland’s historic capital city, I greet in a special way First Minister Salmond and the representatives of the Scottish Parliament. Just like the Welsh and Northern Ireland Assemblies, may the Scottish Parliament grow to be an expression of the fine traditions and distinct culture of the Scots and strive to serve their best interests in a spirit of solidarity and concern for the common good.

The name of Holyroodhouse, Your Majesty’s official residence in Scotland, recalls the "Holy Cross" and points to the deep Christian roots that are still present in every layer of British life. The monarchs of England and Scotland have been Christians from very early times and include outstanding saints like Edward the Confessor and Margaret of Scotland. As you know, many of them consciously exercised their sovereign duty in the light of the Gospel, and in this way shaped the nation for good at the deepest level. As a result, the Christian message has been an integral part of the language, thought and culture of the peoples of these islands for more than a thousand years. Your forefathers’ respect for truth and justice, for mercy and charity come to you from a faith that remains a mighty force for good in your kingdom, to the great benefit of Christians and non-Christians alike.

We find many examples of this force for good throughout Britain’s long history. Even in comparatively recent times, due to figures like William Wilberforce and David Livingstone, Britain intervened directly to stop the international slave trade. Inspired by faith, women like Florence Nightingale served the poor and the sick and set new standards in healthcare that were subsequently copied everywhere. John Henry Newman, whose beatification I will celebrate shortly, was one of many British Christians of his age whose goodness, eloquence and action were a credit to their countrymen and women. These, and many people like them, were inspired by a deep faith born and nurtured in these islands.

[color="#FF0000"][b]Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a "reductive vision of the person and his destiny" (Caritas in Veritate, 29).[/b][/color]

Sixty-five years ago, Britain played an essential role in forging the post-war international consensus which favoured the establishment of the United Nations and ushered in a hitherto unknown period of peace and prosperity in Europe. In more recent years, the international community has followed closely events in Northern Ireland which have led to the signing of the Good Friday Agreement and the devolution of powers to the Northern Ireland Assembly. Your Majesty’s Government and the Government of Ireland, together with the political, religious and civil leaders of Northern Ireland, have helped give birth to a peaceful resolution of the conflict there. I encourage everyone involved to continue to walk courageously together on the path marked out for them towards a just and lasting peace.

Looking abroad, the United Kingdom remains a key figure politically and economically on the international stage. Your Government and people are the shapers of ideas that still have an impact far beyond the British Isles. This places upon them a particular duty to act wisely for the common good. Similarly, because their opinions reach such a wide audience, the British media have a graver responsibility than most and a greater opportunity to promote the peace of nations, the integral development of peoples and the spread of authentic human rights. May all Britons continue to live by the values of honesty, respect and fair-mindedness that have won them the esteem and admiration of many.

Today, the United Kingdom strives to be a modern and multicultural society. In this challenging enterprise, may it always maintain its respect for those traditional values and cultural expressions that more aggressive forms of secularism no longer value or even tolerate. Let it not obscure the Christian foundation that underpins its freedoms; and may that patrimony, which has always served the nation well, constantly inform the example your Government and people set before the two billion members of the Commonwealth and the great family of English-speaking nations throughout the world.

May God bless Your Majesty and all the people of your realm. Thank you.[/spoiler]

[Dark]

I didn't know I was the leader of Christianity, or whatever the hell his job title says.

Again, the Pope obviously has extreme views of things, pretty much invalidating almost everything he says and ever will say. I'm a firm believer in logical arguments, I don't know about you.

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1284675582' post='4632555']
Then you go by that and see the part that annoys you, your loss. I saw it as more than just his faith, and you're assuming. Popes while hold a high figure, often differ on their stance on where god is placed among us and how to phrase it to mean different things. And I am not pretending, you read it in a different way.
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No, Josh, I am not imposing some weird alien interpretation on the Pope's words when I say that, when he says "As we reflect on the sobering lessons of atheist extremism of the 20th century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus a reductive vision of a person and his destiny," he means "Atheism and not believing in God leads to ZOMGNAZIS", I'm reading the words he's saying. You just have a bizarre obsession with respect so you assume everyone in the world is just talking about respect when they clearly aren't. Why is it so difficult for you to believe that the head of the Catholic church might be talking about God?

[Catterjune]

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I think Icy forgot [i]who[/i] was making these comments when he posted.

Okay, so case closed. I'm a natzie. A GRAMMAR NATZ- *shot*
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Good thing there's no such thing as a [b]Spelling[/b] Nazi, otherwise [I was gonna make a Nazi joke, but then I remembered Nazi jokes are ALWAYS in bad taste, so here's a sentence to tide you over.]