True Six Samurai - Mizuho + True Six Samurai - Shinai

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

Remember Hand of the Six Samurai?

Well
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[b]True Six Samurai - Mizuho [/b]
If you control a face-up "True Six Samurai - Shinai", you can Special Summon this card from your hand. Once per turn, you can Tribute 1 "Six Samurai" monster, other than this card, to destroy 1 card on the field.[/center]

Oh yeah and he have a friend


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[b]True Six Samurai - Shinai [/b]
If you control a face-up "True Six Samurai - Mizuho", you can Special Summon this card from your hand. If this card is Tributed, you can add 1 "True Six Samurai" monster except "True Six Samurai - Shinai" from your Graveyard to your hand.[/center]

[The Sacred Ninja]

I MUST be reading this wrong. From what I can see, tribute Shinai with Mizuho, use Shinai's effect to add himself back, and repeat the destruction every turn.

[Lonk]

Aggressive looping. If there was a Six Samurai Continuous Spell that said "If the only card in your hand is a "Six Samurai" monster, you can Special Summon it", then this combo would be broken.

[Buttercup]

ffs Konami

[Canadian]

Thank Lord they added Once per turn. Not that it still doesn't make the new Sams any less broke.

[byak]

1. Summon Mizuho.
2. Activate Mass Driver.
3. Special Summon Shinai.
4. Tribute Shinai for Mass Driver.
5. Add Shinai to your hand.
6. Go back to step 3.

unless it misses the timing which is most likely the case.

[Bringerofcake]

[quote name='Ser Warjacksworth' timestamp='1287433407' post='4715598']
ffs Konami
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This. We don't need to break SS THIS much.

[Brandon Michael Geren]

[quote name='Byakk' timestamp='1287436332' post='4715708']
1. Summon Mizuho.
2. Activate Mass Driver.
3. Special Summon Shinai.
4. Tribute Shinai for Mass Driver.
5. Add Shinai to your hand.
6. Go back to step 3.

unless it misses the timing which is most likely the case.
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FTK is more consistent due to Gateway. This is broke stuff.

But I have no idea if Shinai would miss the timing.

WE DON'T NEED TWO CONSECUTIVE MARCH FORMATS TO BE FTK FORMATS KONAMI.

[byak]

Don't forget ze cat format. 3 FTKs.
And it's optional, so it misses the timing. Unless it works like Arcane Apprentice or something.

[Canadian]

[quote name='Byakk' timestamp='1287443126' post='4716104']
And it's optional, so it misses the timing.[/quote]

Hmmmmm, this is true.

Thing is, the only way you could tribute it to not miss the timing would be for a lvl 5+ that didn't have an ignition effect than. Because if you tributed it for an effect, you'd never be able to get a Samurai back because the effect that required the tribute would be resolving.

If the timing is this screwed, the card is pretty junk.

[Welche the crab]

Too good combo is too good.

[Brandon Michael Geren]

[quote name='Byakk' timestamp='1287443126' post='4716104']
Don't forget ze cat format. 3 FTKs.
And it's optional, so it misses the timing. Unless it works like Arcane Apprentice or something.
[/quote]
It can't miss the timing. Then you wouldn't get its effect when you tributed it for Mizuho. Unless I'm completely wrong on my rulings.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

So this thing aint' a OTK/FTK?

THANK GOD!

[evilfusion]

I foresee the clause "Except True Six Samura-Shinai"

[darkwolf777]

[quote name='Byakk' timestamp='1287443126' post='4716104']
Don't forget ze cat format. 3 FTKs.
And it's optional, so it misses the timing. Unless it works like Arcane Apprentice or something.
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I'd thought I'd enlighten this here as well since I made a mistake in the Q&A about this (because I misread the card thinking "When" in my mind). I corrected myself, but I thought i'd post it here as well since its part of this discussion.

Shinai states "[b]If[/b] this card is Tributed." It is not the same as "[b]When[/b] this card is Tributed."

If a card's trigger says "When", then the timing asks for the effect to activate at that specific time.

If a card's trigger says "If", then the effect would activate after the current chain resolves.

Of course, do not confuse a card's Trigger with its Condition for activation (such as with Darksoul where "If this card is sent to the Graveyard" is a condition.)

The only TCG card I can think of that has this wording is Moon Dragon Quilla. If you check its rulings, it cannot miss the timing either and will activate after the current chain, even though its effect to Special Summon is Optional.

Shinai should follow the same rulings.

[byak]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1287445431' post='4716266']
I foresee the clause "Except True Six Samura-Shinai"
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DGz says you can't add Shinai.

[Tronta]

once per turn.

[El-Rrey]

FTK or not, this is some good shiz.
With all those cards, SS reached a whole other level. A shame they are gonna become much much more popular

[Kaisu]

Okay guys, THIS is how you do it.

Normal Mizuho.
SS Shinai.
SS Shinai.
Activate Mass Driver, tribute Shinai.
", Add Shinai to hand.
"

FTK.

[Brandon Michael Geren]

You don't need to summon 2 Shinais to FTK.

The FTK works. When and if are different words.

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1287445431' post='4716266']
I foresee the clause "Except True Six Samura-Shinai"
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Clause will not happen. There are alread pics of the card.
:S

@Byakk: Real=True

[Kaisu]

Will the effect itself be fast enough?

Either way, I'm building a deck around this.

[byak]

[quote name='Purple Whatevers' timestamp='1287510728' post='4717843']
You don't need to summon 2 Shinais to FTK.

The FTK works. When and if are different words.


Clause will not happen. There are alread pics of the card.
:S

@Byakk: Real=True
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http://manjyomethunder.twoday.net/stories/6452352/

Shinai's effect has changed completely.

[Buttercup]

yay konami's not that stupid

[Brandon Michael Geren]

[quote name='Byakk' timestamp='1287514679' post='4717991']
http://manjyomethunder.twoday.net/stories/6452352/

Shinai's effect has changed completely.
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At least one of the two effects must be a mistranslation. I'm iffy on which one I want to be the real effect. On one hand, Six Sams would be good without the FTK. On the other, there's a chance that when the FTK is released that I would be one of few players playing the FTK in the beginning and that would be sexy.

[Manjoume Thunder]

I might not now much Japanese, but I think that there must be a reason why Shinai's name is mentioned in the effect. >.>