California Measure 19 Fails

[GenzoTheHarpist]

This kind of bugs me. I didn't hear any arguments of substance against this law, but people vote against it. My faith in US democracy is getting pretty shaky.

[DianKetoTheCardMaker]

"Dum, de dum, de dum, goin' to vote...Oh, what's this? 'Marijuana?' That's a drug! BAD!" *votes no*

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Mainly because senior citizens basically control the voting both.

And the people who wants to legalize it will continue to say they want it legalize but won't stop campaigning to actually vote.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='DianKetoTheCardMaker' timestamp='1288838942' post='4760419']
"Dum, de dum, de dum, goin' to vote...Oh, what's this? 'Marijuana?' That's a drug! BAD!" *votes no*
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Ugh, tell me about it... that's probably what happened 90% of the time.

I'm surprised that more baby-boomer aged voters didn't come out in favor of it.

[Dark]

[quote name='DianKetoTheCardMaker' timestamp='1288838942' post='4760419']
"Dum, de dum, de dum, goin' to vote...Oh, what's this? 'Marijuana?' That's a drug! BAD!" *votes no*
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"Dum, de dum, de dum, goin' to debate... Oh, what's this? 'Cigarettes?' That's already legal! Good! I love nicotine!"

I find it quite ironic that many people who don't want marijuana to be legalized are fine with nicotine, even though the latter has many more (and deadlier) health detriments.

I'm not entirely shocked that Measure 19 failed, but I do feel it quite stupid. Isn't America the only country where both the buying [i]and[/i] harvesting of marijuana is illegal?

[GenzoTheHarpist]

In Singapore it'll get you the death sentence.

[NeoDemonX]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1288840497' post='4760495']
"Dum, de dum, de dum, goin' to debate... Oh, what's this? 'Cigarettes?' That's already legal! Good! I love nicotine!"

I find it quite ironic that many people who don't want marijuana to be legalized are fine with nicotine, even though the latter has many more (and deadlier) health detriments.

I'm not entirely shocked that Measure 19 failed, but I do feel it quite stupid. Isn't America the only country where both the buying [i]and[/i] harvesting of marijuana is illegal?
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No USA is not the only one, Canada also have that law but here in Canada we have one of biggest marijuana harvesting growing under the cops eyes and feet.

[Legend Zero]

legalizing it would decrease use overtime, imo. But its the excess people would use it in at the start that makes me ehhh...

Also something a wise person said...

"The only people who want it legalized are those who say that its not as bad as smoking cigarettes."

^Saying something isn't as bad as something else is an idiotic way of proving nothing^

btw someone has already made the comparison between the two in this thread.

[Dark]

No, let's put it this way. Cigarettes are legal, and from what it looks like, will be legal for the next hundred million thousand quadrillion years. Marijuana is less lethal than cigarettes. Ta-dah! Either ban them both or make them both legal, but it's retarded to make the more lethal one legal and the less lethal one illegal.

I'm waiting for the brilliant argument that only a pothead would want to legalize marijuana. It's YCM: that argument has to show up somewhere!

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1288837305' post='4760376']
This kind of bugs me. I didn't hear any arguments of substance against this law, but people vote against it. My faith in US democracy is getting pretty shaky.
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Were you not paying attention back when Prop 8 was approved?

[Tentacruel]

Only a crackhead would want it legalized.

[Catterjune]

Victimless crime.

Also keeping it criminalized is a huge waste of taxpayer's money. When someone is charged for possession they have to go in for their day of court, spend money for a lawyer or get a court appointed one, get the court room ready for that time, pay the judge, etc etc. It's too much needless garbage for a pretty minor offense. Should have definitely been decriminalized. (As in, it would still be against the law to have it, but it'd be more like the crime of speeding or running a red light then anything.)

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1288925785' post='4762723']
Victimless crime.

Also keeping it criminalized is a huge waste of taxpayer's money. When someone is charged for possession they have to go in for their day of court, spend money for a lawyer or get a court appointed one, get the court room ready for that time, pay the judge, etc etc. It's too much needless garbage for a pretty minor offense. Should have definitely been decriminalized. (As in, it would still be against the law to have it, but it'd be more like the crime of speeding or running a red light then anything.)
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Why decriminalize it when you can just legalize it, and collect sales tax off it as well.

[Catterjune]

[quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1288930214' post='4762868']
Why decriminalize it when you can just legalize it, and collect sales tax off it as well.
[/quote]
Baby steps. The compromise should have been enough to keep liberals and conservatives happy.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1288930351' post='4762873']
Baby steps. The compromise should have been enough to keep liberals and conservatives happy.
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Gradualism is the bane of all movements for change.

[CrabHelmet]

As Martin Luther King Jr. said, "Jointstice too long delayed is jointstice denied."

[GenzoTheHarpist]

In all seriousness, this is the sort of thing MLK was talking about (well, not the subject that will be changed, but in terms of tactics, yes).

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

[quote name='GenzoTheHarpist' timestamp='1288837305' post='4760376']
My faith in US democracy is getting pretty shaky.
[/quote]

Radical!

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

Well let's see the pros to this; more space in jails for the people that need to go there, increase sales in economy, saves more trees, decreases drug wars, less addicting way to relieve stress than alcohol. Cons; oops I can't find any.

[Dad]

I don't think the voters are dumb, just fearful that legal weed would 100% influence the community. And instead of looking at the positives, they only see the fears they still have.

[Icy]

[quote name='JadenxAtemYAOI' timestamp='1289110150' post='4767902']
less addicting way to relieve stress than alcohol.
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That's not a benefit, and drunks don't smell like week-old garbage water. Maybe pungent Body Odor, but that's easily remedied by some positive strong odor (such as AXE body spray- even if it does stink it does cancel out the scent). The scent from that plant penetrates all like an Armor Piercing Bullet.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Cigars stink someone up a lot worse than marijuana does.

[Icy]

Cigar's smell like Termite Torn Wood, Insect Droppings and sawdust sprayed with varnish. Not exactly the most pleasant odor, but far better than that.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Hmm. I guess i'm going to have to say its a matter of taste then. The smell of pot doesn't bother me but cigars really do. And to my credit, no stoner has ever felt the need to wear a "smoking jacket" to keep the scent off them, so evidently others agree.

[Tentacruel]

How about we compromise. Weed is ok, but only in your own home so other people don't have to smell it? [/serious]