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Eh, I'm neutral on the subject...Not even neutral - I don't care.

My dad says legalize it, but like me, he doesn't really care. He grew up on the bad side of San Antonio, and he knew a lot of potheads. Yes, it screwed up their life, but it's their choice. That's why I don't care. If it gets passed, I won't care. If it doesn't, I won't care.

Doesn't really seem like much of an issue to me.
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[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1288917472' post='4762250']
Should be legalized. Only a 12 year old would think otherwise.
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First part is correct, second is not. See, people DO think otherwise. A lot of them are a lot older than 12.

But yes, people need to get over themselves and legalize it.
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[quote name='Blue eyes + Wynn' timestamp='1288920268' post='4762412']
Oh, sorry, I didnt see that.


Anyway, my arguement is, any kid may be able to steal some from his father
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That is the [i]worst[/i] argument I have EVER heard for why marijuana should be banned. And I am absolutely serious, I have never ever seen such a dumb justification for a law. Ever.
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In fact, it SHOULD be legalized.. And I'll tell you why;
"In Holland most of the "mild" drugs are legal. But only a small amount of people takes drugs there. In fact, the smallest number in the whole world.. Do you know why? Well, the answer is simple.. They don't think they're breaking the law!
People do some things, only to think they're illegal. It helps them feel cool, or proud or even happy...(not the best words I could use, but..)
So, some mild drugs should be legalized. So only the addicted to drugs would use them, and the others wouldn't try to look cool, because they wouldn't do something strange and wouldn't break the law..
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Holland =/= USA.

They have different people, different ideals, different attitudes towards society, etc etc.

On the subject of stupid correlations to draw, 16,885 Americans in America die in drunk driving related accidents every year. However, 0 Americans died in Japanese prisons in drunk driving related accidents.

Clearly, the only solution is for all Americans to Japan and get arrested.

QED.
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Well yeah, I didn't take that into account....
But they could try to legalize them, in a small area, just to see the results..(not the best idea but I can't find another thing to say bout that problem..:() Because, the only other way to solve the drugs problem is to arrest the drug dealers and "destroy" the hard drugs.. That's impossible and everyone knows that. So, we can only try the first alternative..

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Well the thing is, a kid could also steal alcohol from his father.
And from first-hand experience I can tell you that alcohol can screw someone up just as much as marijuana, possibly more.=/ Besides I've seen a higher rise of people, young people under 15 years, smoking water pipes which can have results like tongue cancer and other delicious things like that.

The only thing I always find funny is that many people who smoke pot come with the medical argument rather than just admitting, well I just like smoking pot, legalize plz. Even though the medical argument stands but it's not what most people care about in first place.:P
Even in [i][b]Callafornia[/b][/i].

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Ahh, I suppose I should explain Smesh. The whole thing about legalizing marijuana was for battling against the drug cartels and also so that they could tax it to receive revenue. Here's wikipedia's entry:

Proponents of Proposition 19 argued that it would help with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9310_California_budget_crisis"]California's budget shortfall[/url], cut off funding to violent drug cartels, and redirect law enforcement resources to more dangerous crimes,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_%282010%29#cite_note-5"][6][/url][/sup] while opponents claimed that it contains gaps and flaws that may have serious unintended consequences on public safety, workplaces, and federal funding.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_%282010%29#cite_note-6"][7][/url][/sup] However, even if the proposition had passed, the sale of marijuana would have remained illegal under [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_United_States"]federal law[/url] via the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act"]Controlled Substances Act[/url].[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_%282010%29#cite_note-7"][/url]

Now, here are the problems that could stem from the legalization of marijuana:
-explosion in the population hooked on drugs for at least a decade
-if it were to cut off funding to drug cartels, they would probably either 1) Still sell because of the Controlled Substances act or 2) Drop it and focus on other drugs such as cocaine and heroine.
-they probably would not have to redirect law enforcement because people who are high on marijuana can commit crimes just like people who are drunk.
-how were they planning to tax it if they couldn't legally sell it?
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[quote name='Smesh' timestamp='1288993841' post='4764087']
Well from what I'm seeing here, I wonder this: Do you think other drugs should be legal? Like heroin?
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Do you think heroin and marijuana are comparable? They have totally different demographics in production and in users.

[quote name='Aibara' timestamp='1288974265' post='4763437']
In fact, it SHOULD be legalized.. And I'll tell you why;
"In Holland most of the "mild" drugs are legal. But only a small amount of people takes drugs there. In fact, the smallest number in the whole world.. Do you know why? Well, the answer is simple.. They don't think they're breaking the law!
People do some things, only to think they're illegal. It helps them feel cool, or proud or even happy...(not the best words I could use, but..)
So, some mild drugs should be legalized. So only the addicted to drugs would use them, and the others wouldn't try to look cool, because they wouldn't do something strange and wouldn't break the law..
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This isn't true at all. Its true that in Holland, soft drug use is lower than in the US. However, it is still among the highest in European countries. The idea that people only use drugs because it's breaking the law is fallacious to the extreme... drugs that are banned now were all once legal, and often it was the very widespread use of them that provoked the law in the first place (LSD and Ecstasy are two examples... they both existed for decades before entering popular use, and were banned only after the number of users had become staggering while still legal).
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[quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1288923434' post='4762633']
But yes, people need to get over themselves and legalize it.
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No. I will not get over it. I probably hate it more than anyone on this site and it's only getting progressively more intense.
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[quote name='Blue eyes + Wynn' timestamp='1288996249' post='4764186']
This entire thread has been a true eye opener for me, really. What was the legal amount anyway? like... an ounce, a half an ounce, I forgot.
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What legal amount? Its not legal in california. If measure 19 had passed, you could grow as much as you wanted within a 25 square foot area, and take around 1 ounce.
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[quote name='Blue eyes + Wynn' timestamp='1288996249' post='4764186']
This entire thread has been a true eye opener for me, really. What was the legal amount anyway? like... an ounce, a half an ounce, I forgot.
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I don't believe there is an actual legal amount, the only two things I can think of are medicinal marijuana, which is however much a doctor feels you need prescribed based on pain and what the size difference is between a felony and a misdemeanor, which I think is anything above 20-30 grams is a felony, and anything below is a misdemeanor.

Also, Josh has every right to argue against the legalization of marijuana, just as you have every right to argue for it. Personally, I am against it but I stay neutral because people are going to do it so I don't waste my time preaching if I know it isn't going to change anything.
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