burnpsy Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 13 1 Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind 2 Caius the Shadow Monarch 3 Cyber Dragon 3 King Tiger Wanghu 1 Summoner Monk 3 Thunder King Rai-Oh 19 2 Book of Moon 2 Burden of the Mighty 1 Dark Hole 2 Double Cyclone 3 Future Visions 2 Gold Sarcophagus 1 Monster Reborn 2 Mystical Space Typhoon 3 Smashing Ground 1 Terraforming 8 2 Bottomless Trap Hole 3 Light of Intervention 1 Mirror Force 1 Royal Oppression 1 Torrential Tribute 15 1 Ally of Justice Catastor 1 Ancient Sacred Wyvern 1 Armory Arm 1 Black Rose Dragon 1 Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier 2 Chimeratech Fortress Dragon 1 Colossal Fighter 1 Dark End Dragon 1 Goyo Guardian 1 Magical Android 1 Mist Wurm 2 Stardust Dragon 1 Thought Ruler Archfiend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 This...is the greatest deck I've ever seen since Machina Gadgets. I must netdeck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 I've been out of the loop for quite some time now but just thought I'd throw in a couple thoughts. So the main idea here of Light here is to be used with Wanghu? How does it run? Both are unsearchable so it seems as though you could have problems every now and then with Light being dead and whatnot. Can it compete well with classical anti-meta without Light because that seems like it could be a problem for you here in the long run, seems like you'd eventually come short against a capable Lightless build. It's a cool idea, just saying though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted November 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Petrosian' timestamp='1289269967' post='4773353'] I've been out of the loop for quite some time now but just thought I'd throw in a couple thoughts. So the main idea here of Light here is to be used with Wanghu? How does it run? Both are unsearchable so it seems as though you could have problems every now and then with Light being dead and whatnot. Can it compete well with classical anti-meta without Light because that seems like it could be a problem for you here in the long run, seems like you'd eventually come short against a capable Lightless build. It's a cool idea, just saying though. [/quote] Actually, LoI also pairs with Future Visions. Furthermore, when I have Wanghu, LoI and Future Visions, I get to choose whether any given weak monster is removed or destroyed, which helps dodge things like Darksoul. The lack of searchability hurts, but that's why Sarc is here. Though I need to test, I'd hope it's not completely reliant on LoI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 so you did use that Summoner Monk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted November 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1289270282' post='4773364'] so you did use that Summoner Monk... [/quote] It can fetch Wanghu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 meh, do you have a problem with speed? -2 MST +2 Upstart Goblin I see you don't like PoD... or you just don't have the budget. and -1 Barbaros -1 Burden +2 Caius or somethin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted November 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1289272413' post='4773469'] meh, do you have a problem with speed? -2 MST +2 Upstart Goblin I see you don't like PoD... or you just don't have the budget. [/quote] I can't bring myself to spend $250 for a card that's inferior to Master Ball. We've had this discussion before, right? :/ In any case, I haven't really... tested. I should, but I have my classes and such getting in the way. I don't know if speed is an issue. In any case, making the change... EDIT: Saw your edit, will do that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1289272667' post='4773479'] I can't bring myself to spend $250 for a card that's inferior to Master Ball. We've had this discussion before, right? :/ In any case, I haven't really... tested. I should, but I have my classes and such getting in the way. I don't know if speed is an issue. In any case, making the change... EDIT: Saw your edit, will do that too. [/quote] well I tested this a while back... yea there's a problem with Skill-Drain +Wanghu... that pissed me off. Also, Caius, that's good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted November 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1289272746' post='4773480'] well I tested this a while back... yea there's a problem with Skill-Drain +Wanghu... that pissed me off. Also, Caius, that's good stuff. [/quote] You mean Drain and Wanghu contradicting? Can't that be avoided by just waiting for Wanghu to be killed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1289272838' post='4773486'] You mean Drain and Wanghu contradicting? Can't that be avoided by just waiting for Wanghu to be killed? [/quote] then you draw into more Wanghu... that's when your F****d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted November 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1289273103' post='4773503'] then you draw into more Wanghu... that's when your F****d. [/quote] :/ OK then, replacing Skir Dlain with something. Any ideas? I'm thinking Mirror/TT or 2 BTH or Chain Disappearance or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 heat wave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1289273327' post='4773513'] :/ OK then, replacing Skir Dlain with something. Any ideas? I'm thinking Mirror/TT or 2 BTH or Chain Disappearance or something. [/quote] you know I haven't really thought about it, but taking out Skill drain destroys the purpose of Malefic Stardust and Beast King... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted November 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='ze super cat' timestamp='1289273391' post='4773516'] heat wave [/quote] This is theoretically a good idea. This deck doesn't LOOK like it needs every turn's summon to function, so OK then. [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1289273425' post='4773519'] you know I haven't really thought about it, but taking out Skill drain destroys the purpose of Malefic Stardust and Beast King... [/quote] Malefic Stardust just becomes a lot worse. It can still do its main job that I added it for in the first place - protect Future Visions/Necrovalley. But yeah, Barbaros loses all meaning. Perhaps swap it out for something more meaningful? We could always leave it in here as a flexible beatstick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1289273852' post='4773547'] Malefic Stardust just becomes a lot worse. It can still do its main job that I added it for in the first place - protect Future Visions/Necrovalley. But yeah, Barbaros loses all meaning. Perhaps swap it out for something more meaningful? We could always leave it in here as a flexible beatstick... [/quote] YES HEAT WAVE. but more importantly, swap the Barbaros for more Cyber Dragon and [s]Girafarig[/s] Wattgiraffe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted November 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1289274192' post='4773553'] YES HEAT WAVE. but more importantly, swap the Barbaros for more Cyber Dragon and [s]Girafarig[/s] Wattgiraffe [/quote] Done. LOL, this deck went from 17/17/6 to 18/18/4, it seems that the Monsters and Spells seem to insist on having the same amount, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1289274570' post='4773568'] Done. LOL, this deck went from 17/17/6 to 18/18/4, it seems that the Monsters and Spells seem to insist on having the same amount, LOL. [/quote] see Orange and Green are equals, but Purple is oppressed as Orange and Green get bigger. don't discriminate based on color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted November 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Red W Mage' timestamp='1289274749' post='4773578'] see Orange and Green are equals, but Purple is oppressed as Orange and Green get bigger. don't discriminate based on color. [/quote] Purple isn't as bright as the other two secondary colors, though. Brighter is cooler. :/ In any case, is there anything else this needs before I (finally) get time to test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted November 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 I've run into three problems in testing: I always incorrectly guess when to play Heat Wave. I lose instantly if something with 2101 ATK or more is summoned before I set up. The Upstarts and Wattgiraffe are both USELESS. So... I need protection and removal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted November 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 BUMP Could use some help here... I have a rather large issue that I've outlined in the above post, and those have resulted in every test duel ending in a complete loss. I mean, seriously - it even lost to freakin' GEMINI because it couldn't handle PHOENIX GEARFRIED. You know there's a problem when something like that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 if that happens, might be a sign that something like Smashing Ground or Dimensional Prison should be mained? or even something simple like Shrink... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted November 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 [quote name='Sephiroth_The_Legend' timestamp='1289573786' post='4778853'] if that happens, might be a sign that something like Smashing Ground or Dimensional Prison should be mained? or even something simple like Shrink... [/quote] I was thinking to add a large amount of removal in general,since this problem persists into every duel. If Rai-Oh can't run over it, there's a problem for this deck - even moreso if CyDra can't handle it. So I was going to add: Smashing Ground Dimensional Prison Mirror Force Torrential Tribute Bottomless Trap Hole Etcetera. That said, I only see 3-6 readily available slots: 1 Wattgiraffe 1 Cold Wave (maybe) 2 Heat Wave (maybe) 2 Upstart Goblin Heat Wave requires either a good amount of guessing, or a lot of practice. I can't figure out which, but I always hand onto it and then end up being able to do nothing as my opponent proceeds to swarm. Because of that, I'd easily toss it. The same logic can be applied to Cold Wave, as this deck can't use that turn of no interference to OTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black W Mage Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 yea, add the above over Heat Wave, etc. I was kinda joking about the Wattgiraffe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted November 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 Added: 2 Smashing Ground 2 Bottomless Trap Hole 1 Mirror Force 1 Torrential Tribute Should I add more removal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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