Exceed Summon

[Anbu-of-Sand]

[quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1292338780' post='4851757']
Wait Anbu this might be the break spellcasters needed. =O
[/quote]
Eh, it is likely Konami will release perhaps an Archetype along with the new mechanic, but the Archetype / cards they'll give us will most likely only have like, 2 good cards and the rest being toilet paper. The chances of one of those Excess monsters being a (good) Spellcaster, is very slim D:

[quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1292339426' post='4851775']
Thunderfist Monk is a level 4 though. The most you could get would be four level 1 monsters, for a total of 2 skipped Draw Phases (2 per card).
[/quote]
It's 2 per card? That somewhat sucks....making your opponent skip 2 Draw Phases is still pretty fun though.

[Legend Zero]

[quote name='Anbu-of-Sand' timestamp='1292340626' post='4851803']
Eh, it is likely Konami will release perhaps an Archetype along with the new mechanic, but the Archetype / cards they'll give us will most likely only have like, 2 good cards and the rest being toilet paper. The chances of one of those Excess monsters being a (good) Spellcaster, is very slim D:
[/quote]

DON'T CRUSH MY DREAMS!

[Anbu-of-Sand]

[quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1292340804' post='4851810']
DON'T CRUSH MY DREAMS!
[/quote]
There my dreams to y'know D:

[Toffee.]

So... we are now allowed to stack monster cards outside of the deck?
[/badjoke]

[darkwolf777]

Example~

Player A: I Exceed Summon "Exceed Monster Lv8", tributing my 4 Level 2 monsters on the field.

Player B: I play Solemn Warning!

Player C: Instead of Overlaying the four monsters I tributed, I will send them to the Graveyard so that "Exceed Monster Lv8"'s summon will not be negated by your card.

Player D: Oh darn.

[Toffee.]

[quote name='darkwolf777' timestamp='1292342555' post='4851859']
Player A: I Exceed Summon "Exceed Monster Lv8", tributing my 4 Level 2 monsters on the field.

Player B: I play Solemn Warning!

Player C: Instead of Overlaying the four monsters I tributed, I will send them to the Graveyard so that "Exceed Monster Lv8"'s summon will not be negated by your card.

Player D: Oh darn.
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You can use the monsters underneith your Exceed monster as a "shield"?
...........
DAMIT KONAMI.
Owait, this gives them an excuse to make another Solemn Judgment counterpart

[.Nu-13]

[quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1292342728' post='4851863']
Owait, this gives them an excuse to make another Solemn Judgment counterpart
[/quote]

inb4

Solemn Distruption
Counter Trap Card
Activate only when a monster is succesfully Excess Summoned. Pay 1000 Life Points. Discard all cards Overlaid on the summoned monster and destroy the summoned monster.

[Toffee.]

[quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1292342957' post='4851872']
inb4

Solemn Distruption
Counter Trap Card
Activate only when a monster is succesfully Excess Summoned. Pay 1000 Life Points. Discard all cards Overlaid on the summoned monster and destroy the summoned monster.
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Exactly.

Also, how did they come up with a mechanic that Duel Masters has already had for a while anyway?
Were they just looking at Plasma and were like: "hei, wut if teh monsters that u uzed for its sumon, r overlaid on it, and it kan uze them as as a counter-gimmick?"

[evilfusion]

I'd have to see what they come up with in terms of actual monsters to truly grasp the potential of the concept. I see it as interesting, and with so much level support in the game already, it won't be a useless mechanic. Most likely, Excess monsters might replace Tuners in most people's decks.

The more monsters you give up, the more times that monster can be spared from REMOVAL. Bounce, spin, destruction, battle...Excess is meant to counter all of it. This counters the mindset that due to simple removal, very few cards are worth running because of the effort taken to summon then.

Due to the specific "must be same level" restrictions on each Overlay monster, level 5 and 7 will probably never be used, as that would require 5/7 level ones, with zero alternatives. Level 2, 4, 6, and 8 will be the most supported. Level 3 might still get something, due to using 3 level ones. No alternatives, but a lot easier to manage.

[.Nu-13]

[s]Guys, Overlaid monster DON'T give protection. Only prevent summon negation. Or have I misread something?[/s]

Nevermind, I'm blind

So they have built-in protection that cannot be negated? And saves them from RFP/Bounce/Spin stuff?



[size="7"][b][i]YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH![/i][/b][/size]

[HaouJudai]

I'd say thunderfist will be nerfed if printed at all. The mechanic looks interesting. We can hammer out the details of it in the months to come after an official release from konami - anything we say now is speculation.

Generic God Synchros are going to be an endangered species. Not so much from being obsolete due to power creep but more so that konami is going to begin to phase them out. More synchros will begin to show up on the limit/ban list.

So the series looks like bakugan and it's game mechanics are duel masters?

How much manna will we need to do this?

[.Nu-13]

[quote name='eviljudai' timestamp='1292343801' post='4851898']
I'd say thunderfist will be nerfed if printed at all. The mechanic looks interesting.
[/quote]

As I said before, they're not official cards, only ideas by guys from Pojo.

[quote name='eviljudai' timestamp='1292343801' post='4851898']
We can hammer out the details of it in the months to come after an official release from konami - anything we say now is speculation.
[/quote]

Well, the whole Excess gimmick is confrimed, so I think we can safely discuss it.

[quote name='eviljudai' timestamp='1292343801' post='4851898']
Generic God Synchros are going to be an endangered species. Not so much from being obsolete due to power creep but more so that konami is going to begin to phase them out. More synchros will begin to show up on the limit/ban list.
[/quote]

Don't be so sure. We don't know if Exces will replace [s]Nexus[/s] [s]Clear Mind[/s] Synchro

[quote name='eviljudai' timestamp='1292343801' post='4851898']
So the series looks like bakugan and it's game mechanics are duel masters?

How much manna will we need to do this?
[/quote]

From this I heard, we'll ned at least 3 mana and 1 Gate Card

[Toffee.]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1292343301' post='4851883']
I'd have to see what they come up with in terms of actual monsters to truly grasp the potential of the concept. I see it as interesting, and with so much level support in the game already, it won't be a useless mechanic. Most likely, Excess monsters might replace Tuners in most people's decks.[/quote]
Junk Synchron revives Tuningware, Derplication the Tuningware, use all the Tuningwares for a level 3 Excess guy.
Oh gawd..

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1292343301' post='4851883']The more monsters you give up, the more times that monster can be spared from REMOVAL. Bounce, spin, destruction, battle...Excess is meant to counter all of it. This counters the mindset that due to simple removal, very few cards are worth running because of the effort taken to summon then.[/quote]
I for some reason am expecting a Blackwing Excess-guy.


[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1292343301' post='4851883']Due to the specific "must be same level" restrictions on each Overlay monster, level 5 and 7 will probably never be used, as that would require 5/7 level ones, with zero alternatives. Level 2, 4, 6, and 8 will be the most supported. Level 3 might still get something, due to using 3 level ones. No alternatives, but a lot easier to manage.
[/quote]
Not true.
Konami might print a few Exceed monsters with a line of text saying: "You can tribute monsters of any level".

[evilfusion]

[quote name='eviljudai' timestamp='1292343801' post='4851898']
I'd say thunderfist will be nerfed if printed at all. The mechanic looks interesting. We can hammer out the details of it in the months to come after an official release from konami - anything we say now is speculation.

Generic God Synchros are going to be an endangered species. Not so much from being obsolete due to power creep but more so that konami is going to begin to phase them out. More synchros will begin to show up on the limit/ban list.

So the series looks like bakugan and it's game mechanics are duel masters?

How much manna will we need to do this?
[/quote]

Thunderfist was a purely hypothetical example.

I don't think that'll happen. I think it's more likely Excess Monsters will just be very powerful and easy to use, just like the first Synchros. They'll be good enough to try to use, and then later support will make them even stronger and faster, just like Synchros, and making Synchros not as effective, just like what Synchros did to Rituals and Fusions.

Since this is evidently coming in the wake of 5Ds, maybe the whole plot of the anime is leading up to a veiled instance of Konami implying/admitting that Synchro Summon was a horribly broken idea and that if we dont stop using them, the world is going to be destroyed. All while advertising the use of Synchros so we buy their cards.

[.Nu-13]

[quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1292344040' post='4851906']
Not true.
Konami might print a few Exceed monsters with a line of text saying: "You can tribute monsters of any level".
[/quote]

Hey, another idea for my Excess support in RC

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1292344101' post='4851908']
Since this is evidently coming in the wake of 5Ds, maybe the whole plot of the anime is leading up to a veiled instance of Konami implying/admitting that Synchro Summon was a horribly broken idea and that if we dont stop using them, the world is going to be destroyed.
[/quote]

By army of Machine Emperors

As stated before, I don't think that Excess will replace Synchros. Unless they'll get some REALLY broken support...

Off-Topic - Yusei believes in Nexus. What do you think the new guy believe in?

[Legend Zero]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1292344101' post='4851908']
Since this is evidently coming in the wake of 5Ds, maybe the whole plot of the anime is leading up to a veiled instance of Konami implying/admitting that Synchro Summon was a horribly broken idea and that if we dont stop using them, the world is going to be destroyed. All while advertising the use of Synchros so we buy their cards.
[/quote]
I love this post so much.

[Toffee.]

[quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1292344112' post='4851909']
Hey, another idea for my Excess support in RC
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Or watch, they make a few level 5 or 7 Exceed guys, and then make a few random level 5 or 7 monsters with a line of text saying: "This card is treated as 2 cards for an Exceed Summon".
...Or something like that.
I want to see footage of this mechanic in action, before I decide for myself if its cool or not.

........
Also, why didn't they get a new card frame?
I was hoping these would be a whole new brand of awesome D:

[.Nu-13]

[quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1292344238' post='4851914']
Or watch, they make a few level 5 or 7 Exceed guys, and then make a few random level 5 or 7 monsters with a line of text saying: "This card is treated as 2 cards for an Exceed Summon".
...Or something like that.
[/quote]

Antoher pro idea

[quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1292344238' post='4851914']
Also, why didn't they get a new card frame?
I was hoping these would be a whole new brand of awesome D:
[/quote]

Who said that they didn't? Maybe they will

Oh, edited the title. Apparently, it's now [i]Exceed Summon[/i]

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

[quote name='Chillaccino' timestamp='1292344210' post='4851909']
Off-Topic - Yusei believes in Nexus. What do you think the new guy believe in?
[/quote]

in the Almighty Power of Capitalism.

Or Zexal if you want.

[evilfusion]

I guess that makes some brand of sense.

When I first read the title, I thought it was a discussion of the Monster Relieve effect Trap that Lucciano used in episode 77.

So will these new monsters be called "Excess" monsters, "Exceed" monsters, or something else?

[.Nu-13]

[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1292344757' post='4851926']
I guess that makes some brand of sense.

When I first read the title, I thought it was a discussion of the Monster Relieve effect Trap that Lucciano used in episode 77.

So will these new monsters be called "Excess" monsters, "Exceed" monsters, or something else?
[/quote]

Exceed Monsters

Ok guys, i'll be honest with you - when I posted this topic, I was sure that Pojo made this up. I even erased the par where the guy said "my specualtions". But then, I digged througt net, and... it's true. There were some scans of forst episode of Zexal manga, and the main character's rival actually DID Exceed summon. It looked just like the rules I posted, so yeah... even some other forums discuss Exceeds that way

[darkwolf777]

[quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1292339544' post='4851780']
Nowhere does it say it negates the card that would be destroying it, nor does it say that you can use its destruction part of its effect when it's being Summoned to prevent its own destruction at that time. So either you're presuming or you're being sarcastic.
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I probably quoted this and responded by thinking you were talking about a different part of the mechanics, so to respond to the last effect that states "if this card would be removed from the field by a card effect or by battle, remove 1 overlaid card instead":

Since it includes destruction by battle, If by battle, the overlaid card would have to be removed during Damage Calculation where it would have been destroyed. I mean, you cannot have a monster who's dead from "after damage calculation to the end of the Damage Step", with no explanation as to how it would be revived. I would guess the same way would apply to being "destroyed by a card effect". The overlaid card would be removed to prevent the destruction rather than the "sent to the Graveyard" part, instead of leaving a literal "Zombie" Exceed monster on the field.

I would say that destruction comes with the promise of removing it from the field. An overlaid card could be removed so that it wouldn't be destroyed. Then again, no point in getting defensive about a mechanic that isn't in effect in the actual card game yet. All we can do is speculate.

[Buttercup]

You know how in MTG and WOW they release cool new mechanics in each set?

Well this is like the opposite of that x infinity

wtf at another TeleDAD format.

[Manjoume Thunder]

Thanks god it's just something bad for the kids.

[.Nu-13]

But knowing Konami, it'll turn out to be broken.