BehindTheMask Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 [img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/3/35/DarkHoleSYE-NA-C-1E.jpg[/img] Destroy all monsters on the field. Should this really be banned YCM? I do not think so. Although it has the potential to create a lot of "unfair" pluses, is that really a bad thing? I've never seen this card make more than a +2. Like Heavy Storm, this card actually makes people think more when summoning monsters. Now there is a bigger risk/reward for playing more than one monster, and it exponentially increases with each monster that is summoned. Those who say that "Well you can set as many spell/traps as you want, and you can only play normal summon one monster" are somewhat right. Although that is a difference in why Dark hole is better, this is kinda misguided. Almost every deck special summons, and this usually allows them to play more than one monster per turn. These free +s(Fullhelm, Faultroll, Shura, Debris, Glow up, Drill Warrior, etc) also offset the possibility of losing card advantage. So, is Dark Hole really that bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 Nah, Dark Hole is fine. Its alot harder to overextend monsters for them all the be blown to bits. Heavy Storm was an overkill card that was used to end games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuri Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 Adleast its not a quickplay otherwise banworthy. Though I do think the card deserves to be at 1, its like an anti-meta card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 It's a staple no doubt, but I haven't been screwed by it more than a couple times this format. Ban worthy indeed, but not really necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 It has been discussed this week in various threads and I think that now about 90% of the people who visit this section think that this is fine @1 and Heavy Storm is evil and eats babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 [quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1293727968' post='4896218'] It has been discussed this week in various threads and I think that now about 90% of the people who visit this section think that this is fine @1 and Heavy Storm is evil and eats babies. [/quote] Put MST @3 and Heavy can stay banned 4 EVER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted December 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 [quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1293727968' post='4896218'] It has been discussed this week in various threads and I think that now about 90% of the people who visit this section think that this is fine @1 and Heavy Storm is evil and eats babies. [/quote] I barely browse this board now. Forgive me lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 none of the discussions were in a dark hole thread so you aren't breaking any rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted December 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 [quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1293728261' post='4896250'] none of the discussions were in a dark hole thread so you aren't breaking any rules [/quote] I dont care about breaking rules. I also am loling. YCM like, a little while ago was like OMGTHISCARDISBANZWORTHYOMGITSUNFAIRSUBSITTOADTO3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiithepeople Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 Ok then how about this for an epic play? Skill Drain on your field. Play Dark Hole to kill all monsters on field. Summon BARBAROS. His trigger effect is negated, so he's at 3000 still. Attack directly for possible game. Get my point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 Or...Summon Jd and Nuke the field, Much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiithepeople Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 [quote name='Shard Of Stardust' timestamp='1293732429' post='4896493'] Or...Summon Jd and Nuke the field, Much easier. [/quote] But you pay LP as cost for activate JD's effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 [quote name='wiithepeople' timestamp='1293732157' post='4896468'] Ok then how about this for an epic play? Skill Drain on your field. Play Dark Hole to kill all monsters on field. Summon BARBAROS. His trigger effect is negated, so he's at 3000 still. Attack directly for possible game. Get my point? [/quote] [quote name='Shard Of Stardust' timestamp='1293732429' post='4896493'] Or...Summon Jd and Nuke the field, Much easier. [/quote] [quote name='wiithepeople' timestamp='1293732834' post='4896530'] But you pay LP as cost for activate JD's effect. [/quote] ITT: You don't pay the same amount of LP for Skill Drain as you do JD [img]http://www.glogster.com/media/2/3/43/18/3431829.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted December 30, 2010 Report Share Posted December 30, 2010 [quote name='wiithepeople' timestamp='1293732834' post='4896530'] But you pay LP as cost for activate JD's effect. [/quote] lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 [quote name='wiithepeople' timestamp='1293732157' post='4896468'] Ok then how about this for an epic play? Skill Drain on your field. Play Dark Hole to kill all monsters on field. Summon BARBAROS. His trigger effect is negated, so he's at 3000 still. Attack directly for possible game. Get my point? [/quote] How is that bad? Thats like saying Ban all forms of monster destruction, because it could lead to a direct attack! BUT WAIT, KILLING MONSTERS BY BATTLE MAKES IT SO THAT YOU CAN ATTACK DIRECTLY POSSIBLE FOR GAME!!!!! Get my point? Explain your reasoning. If you overextend every game and get punished by Dark Hole, then its your fault. Yeah, sometimes you steal a game by using Dark Hole as 1-4-1 removal and making a direct shot, but in the same instance, had you drawn Smashing Ground/Fissure you still would have won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Dude Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I don't think it should be banned. Otherwise, White Hole will just be there to be destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Dark Hole is terrible in the early game Decent mid-game And kinda random in the late-game ITT: Its another 'RUINED FOREVER' scenario [quote name='Astro Dude' timestamp='1293816876' post='4900070'] I don't think it should be banned. Otherwise, White Hole will just be there to be destroyed. [/quote] You think all of the B& cards should be un-banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S333666 Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Dark Hole is unbelvably cheap! All you need to do is play a waiting game to not over extend yourself. Example: you have three gillasaurus in your hand. Your down 4000 to 100. You drew Dark Hole 3 turns ago and got beatdown because of it. You play Dark Hole, Special Summon all 3 Gillasaurus, direct attack and win. Just too cheap. Although not banworthy because it balances itself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 ITT:Fulhelm Specials. Think you mean Boggart, bro. But I do understand. Should be @2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted January 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 [quote name='S333666' timestamp='1293939930' post='4905002'] Dark Hole is unbelvably cheap! All you need to do is play a waiting game to not over extend yourself. Example: you have three gillasaurus in your hand. Your down 4000 to 100. You drew Dark Hole 3 turns ago and got beatdown because of it. You play Dark Hole, Special Summon all 3 Gillasaurus, direct attack and win. Just too cheap. Although not banworthy because it balances itself out. [/quote] Troll account. [quote name='RobotBowtieOfDestruction' timestamp='1293940712' post='4905049'] ITT:Fulhelm Specials. Think you mean Boggart, bro. But I do understand. Should be @2 [/quote] Troll post and even if you are serious, you are still stupid. "If this card destroys a Defense Position monster your opponent controls by battle you can select 1 level 4 or lower "X-Saber" monster from your Graveyard and Special Summon it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 [quote name='S333666' timestamp='1293939930' post='4905002'] Dark Hole is unbelvably cheap! All you need to do is play a waiting game to not over extend yourself. Example: you have three gillasaurus in your hand. Your down 4000 to 100. You drew Dark Hole 3 turns ago and got beatdown because of it. You play Dark Hole, Special Summon all 3 Gillasaurus, direct attack and win. Just too cheap. Although not banworthy because it balances itself out. [/quote] 18. Also it's a general YCM opinion that Dark Hole should be @ 1, Heavy Storm should remain @ 0, and MST deserves to be @ 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 It's pretty obvious that this card should be at 0. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 [quote name='Placido.' timestamp='1293965045' post='4905585'] It's pretty obvious that this card should be at 0. >_> [/quote] It's fun at 1. That's the important part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebihp2007 Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 This card is incredibly overpowered .. Yet, in the current format, it's perfectly fine @1 .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted January 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 [quote name='Placido.' timestamp='1293965045' post='4905585'] It's pretty obvious that this card should be at 0. >_> [/quote] Your Reasoning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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