Mehmani Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 It's rather unfortunate that my 7 day post ban for mentioning child rape coincided with a "series of attacks" on the site. The attacks themselves were barely even attacks, just complaints about the inactivity of administrators and the flaws of the moderating team. They didn't really deserve banning. Looking back at the threads, I found them hilarious even. The man behind the so-called attacks had a rational, logical and correct point to back up his statements. YCM reacts terribly when confronted with anything that "goes against them". What I found particularly hilarious was the reactions of the members. They were in absolute outcry, in constant anguish about the man's reasoning. Even the TCG trolls came to play, though most of them (i.e. InconsistentDecks) are 4chan rejects anyway (pretty easy to tell when you realize that they used the word "newfag", when in reality, only newfags say "newfag"). The other point I will draw on (arguably Reich's fatal mistake) was actually posting inflammatory material to get people to notice him. Had he just posted his arguments, the moderators couldn't have done anything as he was merely expressing an opinion backed up with clear evidence. He posted a terrible poem in the wrong section. That's a mistake. If you are going to raid, you post shock images, not poetry. In Reich's case, he posted "offensive" poetry and arguments. If you want to attack a site, you can post rational arguments (like Reich did) and dodge the banhammer or you can go all out and just post p0rn (Reich posted "offensive" poetry, but you get the idea). Reich's mistake was doing both. If you post p0rn then arguments, people won't take you seriously. However, if one did one not the other, you would produce a good overall effect (the attack effect that you want to produce in the first place). tl;dr The point being made by the arguments was a valid and correct one. Had Third Reich Army just posted the argument, rational people would praise him and/or debate with him. However, if he wanted to "raid" this site, then Third Reich Army needs to man up and post shock images instead of bad poetry. Disclaimer: I am expressing my analysis of the attacks. I am not in any way affiliated with said attacks or any posting of shock images on YCM, and have never been. Although I have taken part in other raids on other sites, I have never considered and likely will ever consider raiding YCM. Due to my past and experience in raids on other sites, I can be seen as a liability, but that is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Oh look, another bash on YCM members thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1295285696' post='4940926'] Oh look, another bash on YCM members thread. [/quote] Oh look, another nonchalant comment that contributes nothing except an air of smug from the poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Starrk Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1295285696' post='4940926'] Oh look, another bash on YCM members thread. [/quote] C'mon. You knew this was coming. This thread is an essence of hypocrisy. This is the internet. People don't care if your argument is valid unless they always want to top you on having correct facts. On the internet, s*** happens, like this. I assume you have seen this kind of thing before. On the internet, n00bs wil be n00bs. You can't stop that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 [quote name='Mikhail Tal' timestamp='1295286419' post='4940951'] Oh look, another nonchalant comment that contributes nothing except an air of smug from the poster. [/quote] Ok how about this...you have the right to judge others on this site or others in general, but it means absolutely nothing. How might one contribute to a thread about your opinion? Without it becoming a flame war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 [quote name='Mikhail Tal' timestamp='1295285472' post='4940919']The other point I will draw on (arguably Reich's fatal mistake) was actually posting inflammatory material to get people to notice him. Had he just posted his arguments, the moderators couldn't have done anything as he was merely expressing an opinion [/quote] Precisely. End of story. I intended to keep this to myself, but come to think of it, it doesn't concern just me: His points were valid for the most part, absolutely. He was, however, unspeakably mistaken on the part about the mods' "laziness", which I'd instead call lack of resources. Every mod that was online at the time can attest that we did everything we could to keep things as controlled as possible, and that we went through quite a bit. It wasn't a lazy approach on our part, but the only one we had, and believe me, we felt powerless with the current staff structure and what it allows us to do. That should never be interpreted as incompetence or lack of commitment. Now, this is an issue that happened and I won't pretend it didn't, and everyone's entitled to talk about it, but please keep your posts civil and avoid baseless assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CinnamonStar Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 But his points weren't totally new either.=/ Just like Hitler didn't come with anything new by spreading homophobia at that time. How many people complain about YCMaker's inactivity, about the lazy/stubborn/too nice/too evil/mind-split mods? We get a thread almost everyday. Not saying that it's wrong, it's right to say it, but to make raise such a hubbub that comes up on the site everyday. About the laziness of the mods or YCM's "terrible reaction", I'm tired of saying it many times, but instead of just dropping a "modz suck", finally give us some f***ing examples. For example, if you want to go ahead and say that Tyrantking//JesusofChaos/SushiTheLegend is lazy because he didn't react to the spamfest and probably don't know about it ever since he doesn't log in anymore, then you're completely right. But give us names and concrete examples who what we're doing wrong, or else it comes over like you got butthurt by one of the mods and suddenly start putting everyone else into the box. We do have a lot of inactive/lazy/arrogant people in the team and that's mostly because YCMaker hasn't bothered to put them off the list even though they asked for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 So posting tons of the same thread is suddenly a good thing to get the Mods Attention? Seems like i'm not in Kansas anymore Seriously.... Most Mods have IM and can be contacted by PM as well. I have noticed that some times are Modless so extra Mod coverage would be a nice bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nu. Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I'm lost here. What's the discussion again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 [quote name='MarbleZone' timestamp='1295287789' post='4941009'] Precisely. End of story. I intended to keep this to myself, but come to think of it, it doesn't concern just me: His points were valid for the most part, absolutely. He was, however, unspeakably mistaken on the part about the mods' "laziness", which I'd instead call lack of resources. Every mod that was online at the time can attest that we did everything we could to keep things as controlled as possible, and that we went through quite a bit. It wasn't a lazy approach on our part, but the only one we had, and believe me, we felt powerless with the current staff structure and what it allows us to do. That should never be interpreted as incompetence or lack of commitment. Now, this is an issue that happened and I won't pretend it didn't, and everyone's entitled to talk about it, but please keep your posts civil and avoid baseless assumptions. [/quote] Somewhat ironically, despite the moderators being so "lazy" he was IP banned and contained very quickly. Some moderators are very good at not just jobs, but also at relations with the members of this site. Also, I did not once say that the mods were lazy, although you can presume that I think that through the fact that I supported Reich's argument (that doesn't mean I supported his entire argument, and from the context of my post it is rather clear that I was referring to his declaration of YCMaker's inactivity). Legend Zero, a flame war only occurs under certain circumstances and conditions. I am open to comments and the views as others as long as they have a good argument to back them up (with evidence, references and sharp reasoning no less). The fashion in which you posted your comment (which suggests that you read the post but clearly didn't understand it [or chose to ignore everything but the comment you were making a point about]) was rather disgusting, and supports the notion that old members here feel that whatever they say is automatically correct (you only have to look at TCG to see my point). I know from experience that you are not like that, and that threads like this seem to affect in a certain way. From now on, consider my argument regarding Reich's "attacks" rather than my analysis of the consequences (though should you provide solid reasoning and viable evidence when producing another statement I would be more than happy to have a civilized debate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I just don't see how this can be discussed. His original account where nothing but spam threads, only after a certain number of IP bans did he/she start saying that it was for the good of the forum. Why was that not originally stated? My only conclusion is because he/she didn't care in the slightest about YCM. But if we are to discuss his/her points then fine. I find the Mods to be the best right now, than I've seen on YCM tbh. Each Mod goes about moding their section in the style that fits. As for YCMaker, I think we all can agree that he should be more active but it's his choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 [quote name='Mikhail Tal' timestamp='1295295817' post='4941277']Also, I did not once say that the mods were lazy [/quote] No you didn't, one of his ten accounts did. I believe it was the same one that made some demands "or else", and of course some members were swift to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 No one ever asked him to stop before he mentioned it, was because the mod team believed he was one of those who would not stopped when asked. The mod team are willing to listen to rational arguments about the website, and we're more than willing to raise issues to YCMaker or FP to consider when they're on. The mods have tried to spark more activity from him and even suggested a 3rd admin (some of the team others disagreed because of the knowledge required to work it). The mod team are not afraid to post comments about mods they feel behaving inappropriately as J-Max's ban proved. If he'd posted the argument rational and with facts as well at the mods he had a problem with, it would have been dealt with in the correct manor. They did deserve banning, they were inflammatory comments that could offend members, and to protect the younger members from the language involved in the posted, the member had to be banned and the topics deleted. The mod team is currently in negotiations in regards to a new mod for the Q&H and C&S sections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 [quote name='Yin' timestamp='1295297616' post='4941349'] The mod team is currently in negotiations in regards to a new mod for the Q&H and C&S sections. [/quote] May I/we make recommendations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 No need to, it was an urgent matter and we took the safest route with the decision. All that's left is for an admin to effectively make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 We really should discuss with members more. The decision has already been PMed YCMaker to act upon. I'll have to bring up what you mentioned when we discuss about mod positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 [quote name='Yin' timestamp='1295298774' post='4941409'] We really should discuss with members more. [/quote] I was under the impression that is what normally happens. I remember YCMaker even asked for applications when a previous batch of mods was selected, and Flame Dragon became one through that system. The hurry to appoint a mod to the top section came from the recent outbreak of spam in it and the bad experience with the last mod that took precisely that role. When it's not something in dire need of solution, asking members should be a priority, but like I said, I thought it was already common practice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I believe that this is a reason for most members feelings towards certain mods. To my knowledge, nobody has a problem with Flame Dragon (or any of the older mods such as Yin) but it is those who are appointed without majority consideration that we feel the need to bash on them. I feel Marble is doing an excellent job as mod, as well as Sep in Your Deck (when he's on).....but I do have concerns. But that's just [i]My "Two Cents"[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Womi Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 It's already pretty late here, I'm rather tired and I have school tomorrow, so before entering a debate, I'm just saying that this is a forum on the internet. Not more, not less. Yeah, sorry. Standard reply is standard. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
аlex Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Newfag: A newcomer to 4chan. Hated by Anons everywhere. Usually this person consists of failure and tries too hard to fit in. Don't call people who say "newfag" newfags when in reality you have no idea what the f*** goes on in 4Chan. Urbandictionary>You. He may be a 4Chan reject but I'm not, technically you're insulting all the Anons on 4Chan when you say only newfags say 'newfag'. Anyhow's other than that I agree with what you said, I started a thread to fuel the fire for the lulz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 [quote name='аlex' timestamp='1295301260' post='4941500'] Newfag: A newcomer to 4chan. Hated by Anons everywhere. Usually this person consists of failure and tries too hard to fit in. [b]Urbandictionary is full of uptight wannabes.[/b] Don't call people who say "newfag" newfags when in reality you have no idea what the f*** goes on in 4Chan. [b]Believe you me, you really do have no idea. If you are accusing me of making assumptions then you really ought to work on your hypocrisy complex.[/b] Urbandictionary>You. [b]No.[/b] He may be a 4Chan reject but I'm not, technically you're insulting all the Anons on 4Chan when you say only newfags say 'newfag'. [b]MZ EDIT: Removed[/b] Anyhow's other than that I agree with what you said, I started a thread to fuel the fire for the lulz. [/quote] EDIT: Moderators, if you would kindly excuse the profanity in this image. It is not the swear word that attention should be given to, but rather the point said print screen.jpg makes. [b] MZ EDIT: Don't expect people on this site to direct their attention to the point you're trying to make while using that kind of content. PM alex if you wanna use that particular print screen.[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
аlex Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 [quote name='Mikhail Tal' timestamp='1295302178' post='4941525'] EDIT: Moderators, if you would kindly excuse the profanity in this image. It is not the swear word that attention should be given to, but rather the point said print screen.jpg makes. [/quote] Because Anons are never newfags themselves, oh and also, that guy was probably an oldfag. Oh Alfred you fa****. And trust me Urbandictionary>The likes of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 @Yin: After looking back at my old threads Pre-Ban, my ban should have been a Perma. I posted so much over the line things then.... You also forgot Bloodrun & Tea Leaf. Bloodrun was just a complete ass to everyone, maybe Tea Leaf was a little OTT though should have been a Demotion rather then outright Perma. Thanks again to Yankee for letting me back after Two Months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 [quote name='аlex' timestamp='1295302414' post='4941535'] Because Anons are never newfags themselves, oh and also, that guy was probably an oldfag. Oh Alfred you fa****. And trust me Urbandictionary>The likes of you. [/quote] IT'S A FREE DICTIONARY ANYONE CAN EDIT IT MUST BE TRUE It's sponsored by Co$ and is home to a plethora of 13 year old boys and pseudo-intellectuals. It's full of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 lol I love Urban Dictionary, If I dislike something I get giggles reading about it using UD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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