War Chess Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 [left][img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090520144338/yugioh/images/thumb/7/77/TheWickedAvatarJUMP-EN-UR-LE.png/300px-TheWickedAvatarJUMP-EN-UR-LE.png[/img][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090520144152/yugioh/images/thumb/d/d8/TheWickedDreadrootJUMP-EN-UR-LE.png/300px-TheWickedDreadrootJUMP-EN-UR-LE.png[/img][/left] [center]Discuss on the relationship of these 2 guys while on the field at the same time, both TCG and OCG applications and which one is better in your opinion. Also, you can comment on them individually and on the other Wicked God. [spoiler=Eraser][img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090520143955/yugioh/images/thumb/a/a5/TheWickedEraserJUMP-EN-UR-LE.png/300px-TheWickedEraserJUMP-EN-UR-LE.png[/img][/spoiler][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Wicked Avatar becomes 2050, this topic just lost the game. TBH Avatar is better, but is almost unplayable (even though it loses to Wicked Dreadroot in a 1:1 fight). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Actually, Avatar is 4100 and Dreadroot is 4000. Avatar's effect continuously reapplies itself. Unless you negate its effect, it is 100% impossible to defeat it in battle. At best, you can defend against it with a high DEF, low ATK monster. Avatar has the S/T lock, but I like Dreadroot's beatdown style. Avatar requires you or your opponent to control another monster in order to do more than a tiny pinprick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yang Xiao-Long Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:The_Wicked_Avatar"]Avatar wins[/url] Their effects contradict and so it will have to be ruled that Avatar's Attack as being 4100, as Avatar's Attack must always be 100 higher than the highest Attack on the field. But if all 3 were on the field, wouldn't Eraser win because of its ability to destroy all cards on the field when it's destroyed? Then again, no one wins that because all three would be gone then. In terms of art, however, Eraser > Dreadroot > Ink blob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 True that its effect re-applies itself continuously, but the dreadroot's halving effect takes priority and halves whatever it increases to. So says Konami. To be most technical, though, their ruling made it such that whichever one was summoned last applies over the other. So if you summon Avatar second, it wins, if you summon Dreadroot second, it wins. [img]http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2008/11/lolcat_blackhole.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wave_Sine Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Who wins this matchup is determined by where you're playing. Under TCG rulings, Avatar wins, because continuous ATK modifiers are continuously updated, thus Avatar goes back to 4100 after being halved. Under OCG rulings, however, Dreadroot wins, because continuous ATK modifiers are "frozen" after being halved or otherwise tampered with. (I learned that the hard way in WC2010, as it uses OCG rulings. Black Garden makes The Calculator useless.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Avatar is always the best of the 3 Wicked Gods due to its ability TO SURVIVE LONGER THEN THE TURN ITS SUMMONED. [quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1296431597' post='4975122'] [img]http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2008/11/lolcat_blackhole.jpg[/img] [/quote] Oh you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1296431768' post='4975136'] Avatar is always the best of the 3 Wicked Gods due to its ability TO SURVIVE LONGER THEN THE TURN ITS SUMMONED. [/quote] [img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2194/1524240273_78c151c689.jpg[/img] I pick ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Has all 3. Made a wicked deck, and it sucked against BWs. Should have been able to Special Summon via tributing. Avatar wins this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='Alex_S.' timestamp='1296431741' post='4975132'] Who wins this matchup is determined by where you're playing. Under TCG rulings, Avatar wins, because continuous ATK modifiers are continuously updated, thus Avatar goes back to 4100 after being halved. Under OCG rulings, however, Dreadroot wins, because continuous ATK modifiers are "frozen" after being halved or otherwise tampered with. (I learned that the hard way in WC2010, as it uses OCG rulings. Black Garden makes The Calculator useless.) [/quote] That's correct, for Calculator vs Black Garden. Not for Avatar vs Dreadroot. Or even Avatar vs Black Garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I summon Bloo-D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrathos Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1296431597' post='4975122'] [img]http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2008/11/lolcat_blackhole.jpg[/img] [/quote] How did a picture of my cat get on the internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Avatar. And nobody else finds a jet-black orb just so incredibly creepy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 It is creepy, but I gathered Avatar shapeshifts into the form of another monster, but with 100 more ATK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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